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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: Anne Wilson on Tuesday 27 May 08 21:28 BST (UK)
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Hi There
Am looking for any leads on the birth/parents &/or death of a James WILSON, born abt 1806 in Thursby, Cumberland.
He married Ann REAY 10th November 1832 in Holme Cultram and have been able to follow the family through census' where James appears to have died sometime between 1861 & 1871.
Address at 1861 census was Cardew.
Any help really appreciated.
Annie
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Following on from my initial enquiry, if James was born in Thursby could anyone tell me what parish would I look at in the Bishop's Transcripts?
I've looked in Wigton but can't see anything that relates. I've found James & Ann's marriage in Holme Cultram but that doesn't list parents.
In the 1861 census, he is listed as being born in Stogenwarth (??) but Thursby in the 1841 census. Are these two places near to each other?
One again, any help really appreciated, as this man (my husband's GGgrandfather) is a real mystery prior to his marriage.
Cheers
Annie
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Thursby is IGI batch C058731 ... it seems to have no WILSONs around the time you are interested.
The only place in the vicinity likely to be transcribed as Stogenwarth seems to be Stonethwaite.
Map http://tinyurl.com/5rc8sk
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There is another possibility for "Stogenwarth". There is a very small village south of the village of Dalston called Stockdalewath, which is usually pronounced "stogglewath". If the person taking the census was not familiar with the area it would be an easy mistake to make.
I'm not sure which parish, but it could be Dalston, Raughton Head, Castle Sowerby or Highhead.
As the crow flies it is about 5 miles from Thursby, so not too far away.
It's just an idea - hope it helps
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Sounds good! ;)
I see that place is very close to Gaitsgill ... a James WILSON was bap at Raughton Head with Gaitsgill in 1803, son of Matthew and Mary. I see your James had kids with those names.
Map http://tinyurl.com/6l8thj
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Thank you all so much for those leads... I at least now have some possibilities.
The Mathew & Mary Wilson angle looks promising.
Can anyone tell me what info would be contained in UK death certs for the 1860's?
I have several possible deaths and if the spouse and father's names are listed it would be one way to corroborate his parentage.
Could I be so lucky??!!
Annie
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Thank you all so much for those leads... I at least now have some possibilities.
The Mathew & Mary Wilson angle looks promising.
Can anyone tell me what info would be contained in UK death certs for the 1860's?
I have several possible deaths and if the spouse and father's names are listed it would be one way to corroborate his parentage.
Could I be so lucky??!!
Annie
You won't get the info you are looking for as a matter of course.
The only names will be
1) deceased - "wife of ..." or "widow of ..." if it's a woman.
2) informant - that will give "relationship to deceased" (but need not be related)
3) registrar
4) a doctor may certify the cause of death.
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Once again thanks for that info
I think the birth in Gaitsgill is worth following up & I've found out that Raughton Hill with Gaitsgill is covered by Dalston parish...can anyone tell me if there are any BT's for this parish please?
Cheers
Annie
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Did you find the parents of James Wilson in Thursby circa 1806? If not, there are a few Wilsons on the Thursby gravestones who would have been there at the right time - I have transcriptions of the stones if you would like them.
Jo
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Hi Jo
Thanx heaps for your kind offer.
Working with a Wilson relative in England, we believe James' parents were Matthew & Mary nee MARK.
Matthew died Oct 1818, aged 64 and Mary July 1811, aged 50.
Could you see if you have any matches with these details please?
Cheers
Annie
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I don't know if this is relevant or not but I think there's a stonegarth in that area?
Best wishes,
Jackie
PS Have just checked and it's Stoneraise and Cunningarth. Sorry.
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No Matthew and Mary Wilson in St Andrews churchyard at Thursby, Sorry. But there are the following gravestones for Wilsons at that time which may be related?
"In Memory of John Wilson of Eveninghill who died July the 6th 1781 aged 78 years. Also Tamer his wife who died Sptr. 30th 1785 aged 75 years."
Evening Hill is in Thursby.
"Erected In Memory Of John Wilson of Brackenthwaite late of HOLE HOUSE in this parish, who died June 22nd 1835, aged 71 years. Also of Sarah his wife, who died July 20th 1841, aged 66 years. Also of John Wilson Thompson, Grandson of the above, and son of John and Mary Thompson, of Slack, who died -May 4th 1890 aged 59 years. Also of Margaret, wife of the above John Wilson Thompson, who died August 28th 1926, aged 82 years. Also of Annie, daughter of the above John Wilson and Margaret Thompson who died April 5th 1965, aged 91 years."
Brackenthwaite is a hamlet a few miles West of Thursby in Westward parish, and Hole House was in Thursby village but now demolished. The Slack is a property in Westward parish, a few miles west of Thursby.
"In Memory of John Wilson, son of Robert and Jane Wilson of Thursby who died March 6th 1858 aged 39 years. Also, the above named Robert Wilson, who died Sept. 2nd 1859, aged 81 years. Also Jane the wife of the above named Robert Wilson, who died March 26th 1867, aged 75 years. Also, Jane their daughter who died April 17th 1881 aged ?? years. Also , Robert their son who died at Swarthwaite ....May 19th ....aged ?? years."
Robert and Jane Wilson may well have been in Thursby in 1806 when your James was born?
I don't know where Swarthwaite is, but that part of the stone is badly worn so it might say Curthwaite which is the next village south of Thursby (or any other -thwaite, of which there are many in Cumbria!)
I see from your James Wilson's census of 1861 in Cardew that his daughters were both born in Curthwaite. In his 1851 census he is in Woodside, Westward parish. Because of the distance to Westward Church, many residents of Curthwaite and Woodside were christened, married and buried in Thursby church before a new parish of Rosley was created with its own church in the 19th century. Woodside and Westward are very rural agricultural areas without a particular centre of population.
Cardew, where James lived in 1861, is the area just on the East side of Thursby parish on the way to Dalston.
Don't know if any of that helps?
Jo
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Hi Jady, is it possible to buy the MIs? I have several names from the Thursby area that I'm researching - Matthews, Mathew/s, Jefferson and Bouch.
Best wishes,
Jackie
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Having just done the census in that area, I can report that Cardew is really an "area", just a long road with farms on either side. I can't imagine it being anymore populated back then. bob