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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: littlebill on Wednesday 19 January 05 19:54 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I would like to know how I trace family in Monaghan. My great great grandfathers english census return from 1891 gives place of birth as Ballybay, he was born c.1832 and his name was Henry McBride, he was in England by 1855 at the latest when his first child was born. His fathers name was James and his occupation was shoemaker but after much digging I cannot find any concrete proof that he ever came to England.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Jane
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Hi Jane,
I feel the census is concrete proof that your gg grandfather was in England. You are not going to get any proof of his travelling to England unless he left the stub of his travel ticket somewhere.
Have you tried Ballybay Library (http://www.monaghan.ie/library/branches.asp) Most of the Co. Monaghan libraries have books on the local history and genealogy of the county.
Chris
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Many thanks for your reply.
Is there any online way of tracing ancestors in County Monaghan? Would contacting the library by email be any good?
Jane
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Hi there littlebill...or should I say cousin Bill???
Was interested to read your post on whether Henry McBride came to England... He certainly did and I'm pretty sure he's my great grandfather too! Let's swap notes....
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Hi there Milly,
Welcome to RootsChat.
You've got me confused as "littlebill" or "cousin Bill" signed messages Jane :D
Chris
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Long Story!!!!
My youngest is called William but every body calls him Bill and I am little Bills mum....
Anyway, millymcb be if you send me a personal message with your email address I would love to swap info with you...
Jane
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My aunt was Margaret McBride nee Williamson, she was married to Willie mc Bride he was a coach builder in Ballybay they were Prysbyterrians. there was also a McBride family in Albert st. (Catholics). all family history records for county Monaghan are kept in the library in Clones. you will find the library if you GOOGLE it. Afraid there is very little information on line. you will have better luck with the L.D S. SITE.
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Thanks ---again.. Little Bill and I are searching the same Henry & James McBride (but at least we found a distant cousin inthe process) ;D
I wonder if your Ballybay McBrides are related to ours..or is it a common name around those parts.
Milly
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milly information on Ballybay Mc Brides.1846slaters directory of ballybay lists James McBride nailmaker. Griffiths valuation1861 Thomas Mc Bride nailmaker. Slaters directory 1881 Patrick Mc Bride nailmaker. Gillespies directory 1897 Thomas Mc Bride grocer and baker.The northern Standard directory 1939 William Mc Bride carpenter and not a native of Ballybay.(my uncle). In Albert st Ballybay Thomas Mc Bride shoemaker this is probably your ancestor and i went to school with two of his sons Sean (shaun) and Kevin. their is a history of Ballybay called "at the ford of the birches" by James and Peadar Murnane. Your local library may be able to get you a copy. I have a school photograph of myself with the two Mc Bride brothers. I have been having trouble receiving emails but it is sorted now.
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Thanks Peadar..."At the Ford of the Birches" - yes that is the book I have (I think I mentioned it on the other Ballybay thread)...It's really interesting and so detailed.
That's interesting about Thomas McBride Shoemaker... I suppose he could be a cousin of some kind. I wonder if the two boys you were at school with are still around and know anything of their ancestry.
(Can't discuss here as they are hopefully still living persons)
Also - your uncle the carpenter.... Henry McBride born Ballybay was a joiner so that's a coincidence - or possible clue)
I have been searching trade directories hoping to find a James McBride Shoemaker in early 1800s in Ballybay but nothing yet. I did spot the nailmakers and wondered about them. I think (without checking all my notes) I may also have seen some McBride's who were saddlemakers or worked with horse leathers in some way too.(I'd have to check to remind myself though)
The closest I have found so far is a James McBride who was in the army. He was 18 in 1810 (so born about 1792 and would have been about 38 when Henry was born in Ballybay. I have his army service papers and it says he attested in Londonerry. He was born in parish of Dungiven (is that anywhere near Ballybay?) and gave his occupation as shoemaker. He was in Artillery for 24 years so came out in 1834. He was still in army when Henry was born so it is probably not the same person unless he was stationed near Ballybay and married there.
I have various other bits of army papers for other McBride's which you may be interested in...I'll PM you.
Milly
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hi milly, my uncle willie is the protestant mc bride, the others are catholic. his father was called Alexander and his mother was Jane. they are buried in the church of ireland cemetry Ballybay. like my own family they are scottish settlers who settled in Ireland at the end of the 17th century. my own research is williamson-latimer so this is all i have on the mc brides but keep searching all the best Peadar.
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Milly,
I am a member of the McBride family (Albert street) referred to by Peadar!
How is your search progressing?
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Hello and a very warm welcome to Rootschat ;D ;D
I'm afraid we are still stuck on James McBride the shoemaker who fathered Henry McBride in Ballybay about 1830/31.
I've dug around as much as I can but not come up with anything definite yet. I'll PM you and let you know more.
Milly ;D
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milly information on Ballybay Mc Brides.1846slaters directory of ballybay lists James McBride nailmaker. Griffiths valuation1861 Thomas Mc Bride nailmaker. Slaters directory 1881 Patrick Mc Bride nailmaker. Gillespies directory 1897 Thomas Mc Bride grocer and baker.The northern Standard directory 1939 William Mc Bride carpenter and not a native of Ballybay.(my uncle). In Albert st Ballybay Thomas Mc Bride shoemaker this is probably your ancestor and i went to school with two of his sons Sean (shaun) and Kevin. their is a history of Ballybay called "at the ford of the birches" by James and Peadar Murnane. Your local library may be able to get you a copy. I have a school photograph of myself with the two Mc Bride brothers. I have been having trouble receiving emails but it is sorted now.
Im trying to find out what my family crest (coat of arms) looks like. I have an Uncle named Sean and an Uncle named Kevin that are from Ballybay. Do you know anything else about the McBride brothers you went to school with? If its the same Sean and Kevin Im sure their mothers name was Margret but Im not sure about my grandfathers name.
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mcb12 What is your name? I am also related to the McBrides in Albert St. I am trying to find what the original family crest of that particular McBride family looks like. If you know could you send me a copy?
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hi rory my name is peter williamson (bunty) to my school mates.if you have a copy of peadar murnanes book then on page 229 top photo i am on the back row extreme left next to the teacher, same row 3rd from left is kevin mc bride, on the 3rd row 3rd left is sean mc bride photo taken 1944/45 we were aged 8/9. if you do not have a copy of the book i will scan it and attach it to an email .
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Kevin and Sean are my uncles. Kevin passed away five or six years ago. My dad is Desmond McBride. Im not sure if you know him or not.. Im trying to track down the original McBride Family crest. Do have any other ideas as to where I could look?
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Hi Rory....
This looks like the one my father used to have on a plaque on the wall - altgough I can't vouch for its authenticity..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/057b/
Milly :D :D
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Thanks
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hi rory, sorry to hear about kevin, i met sean a few years ago while fishing in ballybay he was on holidays. regarding family crests there are a lot of con men on the web who will sell you anything. i have seen several different mc bride coat of arms so may i suggest you refer to the royal college of arms site.Heraldry, with its Coat of Arms and Crests although viewed by many as an ancient art form, is an exciting picture language in colour with its heraldic signs and symbols often incorporate a glorious mêlée of golden crowns and coronets, lions, eagles, fabulous beasts and mythological creatures, birds, fishes, flowers and busts of men and women. Heraldry is often seen as much of a science as an art and often refers to the design of the Achievements for a particular surname which is also often linked to a specific place or occupation. It emerged at a time during the mid-12 century when fighting men became unrecognizable inside their suits of armour to both friend and foe alike. It soon emerged that by decorating the shield with a design that was unique to that particular person it could also be seen from a distance. Heraldry began to grow into a science of heraldry with its own unique language and system of laws to regulate and record it accurately.
With common names like Smith, there are many different designs of Arms for the same surname with each of these designs often represent a completely different locality and lineage. Coats of Arms often also vary according to the generations, as in most countries the original design of Coat of Arms were handed down from father to the oldest son. The succeeding son's Arms were can also be slightly modified to reflect his own individual achievement. This has resulted in several different design of Arms for descendants of the same family gradually being developed over a period of many generations.
It is therefore important when following the rules of Heraldry, when anyone is attempting to have a coat of arms produced that is associated with their own particular surname and they can therefore prove direct descent in the male line from the original bearer of the arms. This will insure that the design of the coat of arms is in fact directly linked to their own particular family and not simply someone who is unrelated, but happens to share the same surname as their own; i cannot remember your dad but if he remembers me give him my regards. peter
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Thanks for the info. My dad for some reason no one can explain also went by the name Moses. All of his family calls him Moses
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i vaguely remember that but it was "mose" not moses. we all had nick names. peter
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I will see if he remembers you the next time i talk to him
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Sorry for being almost entirely off topic but I saw that millymcb posted that she has a copy of "The Ford at the Birches" I am in the US and the closest copy I can find is over 700 miles away. I've been trying to track down a Bannon family. Stewart Bannon was reportedly born in Ballybay 12 May 1846. Any chance anyone can look to see if there is any info about him in the book? The family came to the US several years later and I've love to be able to further my research into Ireland. They are buried in an Episcopal church cemetery in Minnesota
Thanks!
Jill Levin
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Hello Jill - Welcome to Rootschat ;D
I have had a look at the index in the book and there is no specific mention of Stewart Bannon. No mention of any Bannons in fact.
But - that does not mean he is not mentioned. The book is over 550 pages and the index is very limited. All through the book there are lists of names, and references to different schools and churches etc. So the only way to find anyone in particular is to read the whole book!
I did flick through and came across a James Bannon - listed as a boot and shoemaker in Slaters 1846 Directory. That is all it says - but if he is Stewart's relative you could perhaps look at Slaters if you can find it and see what address it gives etc.
I will have another flick trhough later and see if the name pops out of the page at me anywhere but it is a bit of a random exercise ::)
If you have a particular church or village or graveyard you want me to look at it may be an easier and more fruitful process..
Milly ;D
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Well...I have had a bit of a look through most of the main pages that list names and can't see Stewart Bannon. he may be hidden away somewhere but they don't appear to be a major family in the area.
In addition to James the shoe and bootmaker, I also found Philip and William Bannon listed as Town Tennants for a town map dated 1837-1839.
By coincidence my Mcbride Ballybay ancestor was also a shoe-maker and had a son there about 1831. I am not sure how long he was there as I have been unable to find any other reference to him. they may even have known each other.
The book has cemetery lists in it which I have looked at and can't see any Bannons - but let me know if you have anything specific to look for
Milly ;D