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I am hopeful of finding any information on William and Rhoda Lucas who were married in 1832 in Exhall and had several children including my ancestor Richard in 1840. I have not been able to find any appropriate records of their deaths or anything much else - so somewhat stuck.
Ta
Deb
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Welcome to RootsChat, Deb :)
I can see Rhoda (born ca. 1812 in Exhall) on census until 1871. 1861 and 1871 show her as widowed so William must have died between 1851 and 1861 (there's a possible death in Nuneaton, March quarter 1852) .
Do you have the census details already? :)
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I think I've found Rhoda after 1871 8)
Searching all census for a Rhoda born ca. 1812 in Exhall, there seems to be only one. In 1881 suddenly appears a Rhoda Hammersley, married to a James:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1881&indiv=try&h=22768300
RG11/3064 116 10
Now searching for their marriage, there's:
Sep 1878 Nuneaton
James Hammersley - Rhoda Shilton
Previous census don't show a matching Rhoda Shilton so working on the theory that she married a Mr Shilton between 1871 and 1878, I found:
Marriage Jun 1875 Coventry 6d 586
Rhoda Lucas - John Whitmore Shilton
and a death for John Whitmore Shilton age 67, Jun 1878 Nuneaton.
Therefore I believe this is your Rhoda's death:
Jun 1893 Foleshill 6d 294
Rhoda Hammersley age 80
:)
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Whohoo, look at this extracted IGI record (from www.familysearch.org), confirming my theory:
Marriage 19 APR 1875 Holy Trinity, Coventry, Warwickshire
RHODA LUCAS (Father THOMAS WILKINSON - remember she was Rhoda Wilkinson when she married William Lucas in 1832*)
Spouse JOHN WITMORE SHILTON (father William Shilton)
Husband Age at Marriage: 64
Wife Age at Marriage: 63
*Also, here's her christening:
RHODA WILKINSON
Christening: 09 MAR 1812 Exhall Near Coventry, Warwickshire
Father THOMAS WILKINSON Mother RHODA
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I found Rhoda's parents and sister Hannah on the 1841 census - shout if you want the details!
HO107/1154/2 5 4
Rhoda sr is still alive in 1851 age 72 (born Foleshill)
:)
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Wow Tati, you are absolutely wonderful :D :D :D
That is outstanding detective work. How did you manage to search all of the census records like that? Do you have them on CD or something?
I would love the details of Rhoda's parents in the 1841 Census- I haven't managed to find anything about them other than their names. I have managed to track Rhoda herself in the 51 and 61 census in the parish of Astley From what I can gather she has a baby called Abraham who was born around 1850/1860. There is no record of a William living with them in either 51 or 61 so at this stage I am presuming he is deceased at this stage.
Thanks once again:):)
Debbie
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Here we go for Rhoda on census (will post her parents later)
1841
HO107/1136/4 24 2
Bedworth, Warwickshire
William Lucas, 35, Ag lab
Roda, 25
William, 4
Richard, 1
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Abraham, 11
All born in county. The 1841 census doesn't give relationships but according to the IGI, this Abraham was the son of Abraham and Ann Lucas.
1851 actually shows William:
HO107/2065 302 13
Astley, Warwickshire
Bedworth Heath
William Lucas, head, 43, Ag Lab, b. Bedworth
Rodah, wife, 39, Hand Loom Weaver Silk, b. Exhall
William, son, 14, ditto, b. do.
Richard, son, 11, Silk Filler, b. do.
Thomas, son, 8, scholar, b. Bedworth
Ann, dau, 5, scholar, b. Astley
Abraham, son, 9 mo, b. do.
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You have her in 1861 with Ann age 15 and Abraham age 10.
1871
RG10/3168 15 8
Astley, Warwickshire
The Heath
Rhoda Lucas, head, wid, 59, Silk Weaver's Assistant, b. Exley
Abraham, son, unm, 20, Boiler Maker, b. Astley
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Thomas Lucas, head, 27, Blacksmith, b. Exhall
Hannah, wife, 20, Silk Weaver, b. Bedworth
and finally 1891
RG12/2447 164 10
Bedworth, Warwickshire
Bedworth Heath
2 rooms occupied
Jas Hammersley, head, 70, Carpenter, b. Bedworth
Rhoda, wife, 79, b. Exhall
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Now Rhoda's parents
1841
HO107/1154/2 5 4
Exhall, Warwickshire
Exhall Green
Thomas Wilkinson, 60, Blacksmith
Roda, 60, Weaver
Hannah, 20, Weaver
All born in county
1851
HO107/2066 183 6
Exhall, Warwickshire
Roada Wilkinson, head, wid, 72, Ribbon Weaver, b. Foleshill
Hannah, dau, unm, 34, Ribbon Weaver, b. Exhall
Nancy (or Mary?), granddau, 6, scholar, b. do.
Rhoda jr had a number of siblings, the christenings of which are on the IGI. Let me know if you want me to post the details.
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Gee - Thanks again - yeah I checked back on my records and I am unsure as to how I missed William in the 1851 census - I only have some of my stuff with me at the moment as I am in the process of moving- so perhaps that is a half way decent excuse. ;)
Richard Lucas, ( son of William and Rhoda) married Elizabeth Pickard 7 Feb 1859 in Bedworth. I believe that she was born around 1840 = but have not found anything else about her. Is there any chance you have access to information on her.
Please tell me if I am being too much of a pest. You have already found a heap of info that I would otherwise not have found. It is very much appreciated.
ps -while I have been typing - I noticed that you have have posted a heap more stuff. Thanks again - and yes, any info that you find is very welcome - so I would love the IGI christenings.It is amazing that you can get access to stuff so quickly. How are you managing to do it?
Debbie
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It's quick because it's available anytime :D
For census you need a subscription to pay sites but the IGI for instance is free to search at www.familysearch.org
Here are all the children christened to Thomas Wilkinson and Rhoda in the batch C042011 covering Exhall Near Coventry christenings 1803-1875
MARY WILKINSON Christening: 21 MAY 1804
ELIZABETH WILKINSON Christening: 15 JUN 1805
ANN JARVISS WILKINSON Christening: 04 OCT 1807
THOMAS WILKINSON Christening: 24 SEP 1809
RHODA WILKINSON Christening: 09 MAR 1812
SARAH WILKINSON Christening: 17 APR 1814
HANNAH WILKINSON Christening: 13 OCT 1816
WM. WILKINSON Christening: 27 MAR 1819
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Elizabeth is trickier - the 1851 census shows 2 candidates :-\
- one age 11 daughter of James and Judah (?), living in Bedworth
- one age 12 daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth, living in Foleshill
Unless a later census shows Richard with inlaws, or I find one of them still unmarried in 1861, you might need the marriage certificate for Richard and Elizabeth to find out which one is yours.
I'll have a look :)
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I have used the IGI to find details of individuals - but never to find things like christenings of a whole host of siblings. How do you do this with the search facility - when I looked at it I can place surname, event and date range and country and even parent's names if I go to the advanced search- but I can't be specific as to counties etc . I am surprised that you don't get hundreds of names - especially with common surnames like Wilkinson.
Debbie
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Not looking too bad!
In 1851, there was:
HO107/2066 361 29
Foleshill, Warwickshire
Samuel Pickard, 30
Elizabeth, 33
Eliza, 12, b. Bedworth
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Harriet, dau, 2, b. Foleshill
and in 1861 I see:
RG9/2199 58 28
Bedworth, Warwickshire
Thomas Johnson, 27
Eliza, wife, 23, b. Bedworth
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Harriet Pickard, sister in law, 13, b. Foleshill
(marriage Sep 1859 Foleshill Thomas johnson - Eliza Pickard)
therefore by elimination yours should be the other one :)
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Re searching the IGI:
Once you have found Rhoda's christening, click on the batch number. You can then search withing this specific batch. Fill in father's name: Thomas Wilkinson and mother: Rhoda and hit search :)
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So back to Elizabeth, this should be yours (in fact there was a 3rd candidate, born and christened in Sep 1841 but I've ruled her out as she's still at home with parents John and Hannah in 1861):
1851
HO107/2066 143 22
Bedworth, Warwickshire
New Town
James Pickard, head, 39, Ribbon Weaver Silk
Judah(?), wife, 40, ditto
Joseph, son, 13, ditto
Elizabeth, dau, 11, ditto
James, son, 5
Allis, dau, 3
John, son, 1
All born Bedworth.
I'm wondering if it's someone's 2nd marriage, with the 6-year gap between the kids... (Edit: doesn't look like it :P)
Extracted IGI christening
ELIZABETH PICKARD
Birth 07 DEC 1839
Christening 18 OCT 1842 Bedworth, Warwickshire
Father JAMES PICKARD Mother JUDITH
IGI extracted marriage:
JAMES PICKARD - JUDITH CATTLE
Marriage About 20 AUG 1832 Bedworth, Warwickwhire
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Wow - you are impressive ;D
Thanks so much for all that you have done - helping me move forward in leaps and bounds. I have also learned a few strategies - ie the inlaw trick is something I had not really thought about and was unaware of the batch thingy with the IGI.
How do you get a subscription to the Census - and are they regionally specific - or more general. I might not respond this evening as it is getting close to midnight here in Aus - and I have work in the morning. I am assuming you are in Britain?
Thanks
Debbie
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Census are available at several sites: Findmypast, The Genalogist, ancestry for instance. I'm not sure about the exact coverage on each of those sites - I believe ancestry still has the most complete coverage but you'll find lots of discussions about the sometimes dubious accuracy of their transcriptions.
There's also FreeCen - not complete but free (they only offer transcriptions though, not access to the actual images)
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/
Oh and I'm in the place my English friends seem to like calling Gay Paree 8) ;D
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Thanks again for all of your time :D
I am sure I will have many more questions down the track - but I had better get some sleep.
Deb
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not sure if you have the following information but thought I would post anyway.
William Lucas married Rhoda Wilkinson on 26 March 1832 Exhall Nr Coventry
Children's christenings which took place in Exhall Nr Coventry:
Richard Lucas 9 Feb 1840
Thomas Luca 5 March 1843
Ann Lucas 21 Dec 1845
William Lucas 1 Jan 1837
Couldnt find Abraham's christening at same parish but there is one 'Abraham Lucas 21 July 1850 Astley Father william mother Rhoda Lucas'
Marriage of Rhoda after Williams death:
Holy Trinity Coventry
19 April 1875
John Whitmore Shilton Age 64 Wid Occupation Miner Occupation listed as 'Miner' fathers name William Shilton a shoemaker
married Rhoda Lucas age 63 a wid father given as Thomas Wilikson a Blacksmith
Witnesses Abraham Lucas & Sarah Edmunds
Both John & Rhoda give their abode as Court 8 New Buildings Coventry
Regards Sharon
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Thanks very much Sharon . I did have most of it - but you have included some details that I haven't had - like the specific christening date of Abraham. I had an approximate year - but that was all.
Every little bit of information helps fill in the picture - as you well know :D :D
Where/how did you find this information?
Debbie
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Hi Debbie I have collected a lot of resources over the last few years for Coventry and lots of information on the Lucas name. Your Lucas's are not connected to mine but I tend to keep information I come across just in case !
Looking at your Lucas they seem to have come from Astley/Bedworth parish rather than Foleshill Parish. If you need any thing more looking up let us know will see what I can find
Regards Sharon
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Hi Debbie
Do you eed any census information? I have subscription if you need them just shout!
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Thanks very much again Sharon - interesting you make the comment that they are more from Astley /Bedworth. When I look back I can't agree more - and have to wondered why I even put down Foleshill --- that is the parish I have consistently had in my head. I don't have access to all of my stuff at the moment as I am in the process of moving. I have a feeling that some of the earlier stuff that I had said Foleshill and it has obviously just stuck in my head.
Do you know much about the region? I don't even have a sense of where the two places are and whether it is likely that they have moved between the two. I note that Rhoda Wilkinson senior was born in Foleshill and that the more recent Rhoda died in Foleshill in 1893
I will keep your offer of census information in mind and will ask if needed. I think I have most of the Lucas stuff that I need at the moment but will check as I go if that is ok? ;)
Thanks again for your input and offer of help.
Debbie
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Quite possible they did move between them, Foleshill to Bedworth about 4 mile, Astley to Bedworth again about the same. Astley to Foleshill about 7 miles. Exhall not sure what it's classed as poss Coventry but only about a mile from Bedworth. So all very close together.
You may wish to look at St Giles in Exhall Nr Coventry as there are a few Lucas buried there I have the NBI if you want any looking up it doesnt give burial plots but name date & age of deceased
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What does NBI mean?
Debbie
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Sorry Debbie its the National Burial Index, not fully complete but does contain over 13 million records. for Engalnd & Wales
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I am thinking of subscribing to Ancestry - does that have a copy of NBI records - or is it totally separate?
If not I might ask for some info down the track if you don't mind. I think our state library has cds of some of this stuff - but not sure of the specifics.
I work full time and tend to get to it in drips and drabs.
Debbie
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NBI is totally seperate, for BM & Deaths I would lookt at Free BMD Ancestry is great for full census searches though
Sharon
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Thanks for that Sharon. I have used Free BMD extensively over the years and found it very useful. I might ask you about info from the NBI in the future - Thanks for the offer. :)
Debbie
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Any time I dont use the disc's my self much any more so would be good to put them to some use again
Sharon
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Debbie
Have just read your thread and from the info you have been given.
My GGG Grandad was called Abraham Lucas born1831
and his parents are listed as William and Rhonda I think, with siblings Richard 1840,William 1837,so some of the details fit but not sure.
Abraham went on to marry Mary Gilbert,they had 6 children and lived in and around Foleshill,Bedworth and Exhall.
Abrahams granddaughter my Nan owned a shop in Exhall,my Uncle still runs it today.
Also what is IGI
Thanks
Shannie
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Shannie - It certainly does appear that some of the details fit - however I too am not sure as I believe that the Abraham in my family tree (Son of William and Rhoda) was born much later - somewhere around 1850. William and Rhoda were not married until 1832 but this doesn't always mean much - but they did have another child that they called Abraham around 1850. In the 1851 census he is listed as being only 9 months old. If you scroll back on this thread you will see that in the 1841 census there was a child aged 11 present called Abraham in this household. As Tati suggested it looks like this child might be a relative- and she lists some possible parents.
The IGI is the International Genealogical Index and can be found at
www.familysearch.org
This site generally is a great resource - but you have to confirm the information it holds as sometimes people submit data that it not accurate- although I think the IGI comes directly from transcriptions from parish records.
Do you have a confirmed birth date for your Abraham? If you have been told that his parents were William and Rhoda - then it is possible that it is the child that was born around 1850.
I would love to keep in contact - as it seems highly probable that we are looking at the same family - even if the specific line varies a little.
My lot - Richard Lucas and his wife moved to Australia in 1862. He was my great, great grandfather. I actually have a picture of him and his wife - but not of his parents.
I still live in Western Australia in Perth - some 600 km from where Richard and his family settled.
Debbie
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Debbie
Hi thanks for your reply.
Just checked mail as about to go to work,I will re check my census results when I get home lots of bits of paper with loads of names on maybe William married to my Abrahams Mum before he married Rhona ??
Will send an update.
I now live in London but the rest of my family are still in Warwickshire,my brother lives in Exhall so has gone back to the area the family came from.If you look at a map of Exhall,Bedworth,Foleshill you will see how close they are,at one time each was small village along the same road out of Coventry.
Bye for now
Shannie
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message for shannie - could this be your abraham?
I was at a bit of a loose end and thought i would look for abraham 1831, found one baptised at st lawrence foleshill on 24/4/1831 with parents john and jane, john is a mason and the address in windmill lane. They has several other children baptised there also.
8/6/1828 thomas longford John's occupation mason
13/1/1833 john windmill lane bricklayer
23/2/1834 mary jane " " "
3/7/1836 joseph " " "
27/5/1838 ann " " "
7/6/1846 three children baptised together
hannah, louise and william address leicester road
occupation - bricklayer
27/8/1848 james new inn bridge bricklayer
in the 1841 census this family's address is partings of the heath, foleshill. Abraham is listed as abram aged 11, john is 30 a bricklayer.
julie
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Julie
I am not sure am just cheking the details I have collected.
Thanks
Shannie
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Shannie,
How has that research been going? Have you managed to determine if your Abrahams parents were William and Rhoda or not? If so - any updates on his birth date?
I am very interested to see what you come up with.
Debbie
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Debbie
I have checked my notes and am even more unsure,all my details are just from ancestry searches and I have not confirmed details with birth or marriage certs.I have just sent for my G Grandad Lucas's so once I have that I can work back to see if confirms details I have from the searches and names given by a great Aunt are correct.
As soon as I have any details I will let you know.
Shannie
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I really look forward to hearing about what you get back. :)
If your great aunt remembers the names of William and Rhoda then it is likely that we are talking about the same family.
It is all fascinating stuff ....isn't it.
Debbie
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Debbie
Hope you have had a good weekend
I have just got my G Granparents marriage certificate which confirmed recents events,I have just sent off for my GG and GGG Grandparents certificates,this will then tell me my Abrahams father.Have have done some checks and 3 possible Abrahams around the time.
As soon as I have the certificates I will let you know
Sharon
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Sharon,
I had a really good weekend - thank you. We are building a new house about an hour south of Perth, the capital city of Western Australia and visited the site on Saturday. We were really pleased to see the progress. I hope yours was also good
Thanks for keeping me informed as to what is happening with your search. I look forward to hearing the outcome of it all.
Debbie
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Debbie
I have not marriage cert yet but I have some info via an other genes site I am on.
Contact by 2 people giving same details.
It looks as if my Abraham 1831 was Williams and Rhoda nephew.
Abraham 1831 is son of Abraham b 1798(d 1836) and Ann Haywood( Ann remarries)
Abraham b1798 is the brother of Rebecca 1799 and William 1806 who married Rhoda b 1816
Williams parents are Richard b1761 and Mary Gilbert b 1771.
Hope this is of some help
Sharon
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That is good news Sharon - looks like you are on the right path at least and have the correct family - just back one generation:) We are still looking at the same family - the line just varies a little. I was very pleased to find Williams parent's names as I had no record of them before. How sure are you about the details regarding Williams parents being Richard Lucas and Mary Gilbert. I checked back and noticed that you thought in an earlier post ( 4th June)that you thought your Abraham had married a Mary Gilbert.
Do you mind me asking who the people were that gave you the information and whether they are likely to have any more information on William and Rhoda? Are you able to give me their emails - or perhaps the other genes site that you have be visiting. If they have some common ancestry then they might want to share information. As I mentioned to you - I have a photograph of Richard Lucas in a locket that was given to his wife. It is a reasonable picture of him. I have also seen a picture of one his brothers taken here in Western Australia - for the moment I can't recall if it was Charles or William.
As we find more information it will be good to compare and share. It is lovely to have someone searching for the same overall family.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie.
I have asked them to confirm the details for me,I got the details via GenesReunited.co.uk
I have been a membe for a while and have my family tree loaded you can then check for people with similiar details and contact to check if same person as it is done via the site I do not have details but will ask again for them to confirm details.
Sharon
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Debbie
I have not heard back from guys re checking Abrahams parents but had a play on a couple of sites and found a Richard Lucas married to a Mary Gilbert then had children Rebecca b1799 and Abraham b1800 but no William???
I then checked the census for William and Rhoda on the 1841 census they have 3 children living with them.
Abraham 1831
Richard 1840
William 1837
I am sure Abraham 1830 is my Abraham and Williams nephew.
Also noticed that had Lucas's living in the street and Ann Soden who I believe is Abraham mum and she remarried because by 1851 Abraham is living with Ann and John Soden.
On the IGI check I found 8 children for William and Rhoda
Abraham 21.7.1850
Owen 1.12.1835
Thomas 5.10.1833-11.1.1835
Thomas5.3.1843
Ann 21.12.1845
William 1.1.1837
Charles13.8.1848
Richard 9.4.1840
William must have died between 1851 and 1861 census
1861 Rhoda living with Ann and Abraham
1871 Rhoda and Abraham
Sorry if this repeats info other chatters have given you.
I hope to have the wedding certs this week so can confirm Abrahams parents.
Hope you have had a good day
Sharon
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Hi ,I think I may be part of the Lucas family you are looking for.My grandfather was William Ernest .born in Cov(foleshill)
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Thanks very much for getting back to me ;D
Other than the location - is there anything that makes you think it is the same family line?
Do you know much about his family - as in who his parents were - or grand parents?
It will be interesting to see if we can work out a line.
Warm regards
Debbie
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Sharon - did those certificates reveal anything for you. I have made a bit of progress with the Lucas family as I have managed to make a connection with a direct descendant who has a fairly extensive knowledge of the the family in Exhall.
Let me know how you are going.
Debbie
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Hi Deb, I think we are related. My great grandmother was Alice Maud Lucas from Northampton, near Geraldton, and her father was Richard Lucas and mother Elizabeth (nee Pickard) from Bedworth. I believe Richard ran a hotel in Northampton for a time but know very little else about him. I would love to know the family tree and story. If you want to, you could drop me a line at *
My grandmother was named Nellie Elizabeth Marwood, her middle name taken from her grandmother, whose history I know nothing about. Go well Deb, I hope to hear from you soon, kind regards, Tim :)
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I am currently researching my family history. I think that we have William Lucas and Rhoda Wilkinson in common.
They are my Gt. Gt. Grandparents. Any information you can share would be much appreciated.
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Hi Glasgow Girl - sorry I have taken a while to reply, but I have not been checking family history stuff recently as I have been very busy preparing to move house.
Can you let me know where you fit into the picture - so that I can place you in the tree -in my head. From which child of William and Rhoda do you descend? Tim, like me descends from their son Richard who emmigrated to Western Australia in 1862. Are you from this line too - or do you descend from one of their other children who stayed in England?
Let me know and I can see if I can help you out. As I have told Tim - I am really busy at the moment with moving and establishing a new home - and also have much of my stuff in storage - but do have access to information that I hold on my laptop.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Debbie
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Hello Debandbill
Thank you for your post. William Lucas and Rhoda Wilkinson are my Gt. Gt. Grandparents. Their son Abraham b 1851 married Jemima Mountford (my Great Grandparents); their son Thomas (1883-1945) is my Grandfather. I did not know him because he died long before I was born, although I do have photos and other memorabilia. So, in answer to your question, I am descended from the Lucas' who stayed in the UK.
Until now, I had no idea that there were children of William and Rhoda who emigrated to Australia - all very exciting
I am new to Roots Web (!!!). If you want to contact me directly my email address is (*).
Kind regards
Caroline
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