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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 May 08 14:48 BST (UK)
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I would appreciate any help, suggestions or look-ups anyone can provide to help me get back another generation with this line of my Mothers maiden name.
This is what I have;
John Leggett, born 1793 Wenhaston , Suffolk, died 1873, Beccles.
Honor Scrutton, born 1783, Holton and died 1858 Beccles
They married 20 August 1817, Holton by Halesworth( the entry on Pallots index has his name listed as John LEGGATE)
Children;
Elizabeth 1820, born Halesworth
Joseph 1826 " " chr. March
Abigale 1826 Beccles chr. Dec
William 1822 Stratford, Essex
Mary Ann 1824 Stratford, Essex
Willam ( 1822) is my line, and I wonder why he and Mary were born in Essex, maybe they moved there and then back to Suffolk, or Honor had relatives to stay with while pregnant???
I have 1841 ( under LeggOtt), 1851,1861 census entries for John and Honor.
William Legget had a son ( surprise! William 1842) who emigrated to New Zealand about 1870.
Thanks,
Trish
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Hi
You have to be careful with Stratford. That part of London that is now called Stratford (and forms part of the London Borough of Newham) was indeed a parish included in the county of Essex.
In Suffolk there are 2 parishes with Stratford in the name: Stratford St Mary and Stratford St Andrew
Have you proved that William and Mary Ann were born or baptised in the Essex Stratford and not in either of the Suffolk ones?
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Hi Clincher,
No, I have not proved it.
The early infomation of the Leggett family was provided to me by Leggett Family History researcher. I have proof of the Leggetts from my mother back to William Leggett/Mary Ann Newby marriage in 1841. But his Father being John and birth etc. was provided to me.
It is early in the morning here in Australia and I have to go to work so if there are any othr postings here I wil not be able to reply till late tonight.
Thank you for your interest.
Trish
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Wenhaston, Holton St Peter (or 'by Halesworth' as it is an adjacent parish to the market town of Halesworth), Beccles are all in similar area in north-north east Suffolk.
Nearest Stratford would be Stratford St Andrew.
Where we have more than one parish of the same name, it usually has the name of the parish church included to show the difference.
Holton St Mary and Stratford St Mary are much further south, they are not too far from the Essex/Suffolk border.
SM ...
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Thanks SM,
That gave me a better idea of the situation of the various areas.
Maybe I did not word my posting correctly, but what I am trying to find is any extra info. on John Leggett and Honor Scrutton, parents etc. Should I repost as a Look-up??
Sorry, but am a little new to this.
Trish
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Looking at the Census and NBI think I may have found parents of John.
There only appeared to be one Leggett family at Wenhaston and in 1841/51 there is just a James and wife Ann. James is shown as bc.1790 Cratfield. The NBI includes a Samuel Leggate bur.20/4/1836 Wenhaston aged 83 i.e. bc.1753. There is also a James Leggett bur.10/12/1852 Wenhaston aged 62 i.e. bc.1790, who is the one I found on the census. An Elizabeth Legget was bur.20/12/1829 Wenhaston aged 70 i.e. bc.1759.
I then checked the IGI and found that the James who was born Cratfield and living in Wenhaston was a son of Samuel Leggat and Elizabeth Barker and bp.18/4/1789 Cratfield. Samuel and Elizabeth married at Cratfield 15/11/1781. 3 other children bp'd Cratfield are Jane 26/10/1783, Sarah 7/12/1784, and Mary 4/2/1788. They then appear to disappear from Cratfield records and no burials for Samuel and Elizabeth there. Looks like they were the ones who went to Wenhaston where further children could have been born including your John bc.1793. As you no doubt already know, there are no online records for Wenhaston for this time frame.
Tried to apply these same principles for Honour Scrutton but no obvious scenario emerges I'm afraid. More than one couple having children at Holton in the relevant time frame.
Hope this helps.
Annette
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Hi Annette,
Thank you very much- you are amazing!!!
I will take all the info on board but am pretty sure you are onto the right family. Most of the names also are the same as members of the Leggetts born in N.Z. 1870-1920 through 2 generations. My mothers father was a James Leggett ( 1872-1929)
Thank you again and I will see where this takes me. Hope to visit England within the next year or so.
Trish
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My pleasure. Good Luck.
Annette
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Stratford (in Essex once upon a time but now part of East London) has a number of parishes but the earliest C of E baptisms in that area took place only from 1834 at Stratford, St John.
It occurred to me that the parishes of Stratford were carved out of the mother parish of West Ham, All Saints. So, with the help of an index in the Thames Riverside parish index series Vol 30 All Saints West Ham (Essex RO ref T/Z 542/2) I looked up the indexes for baptisms, marriages and burials 1813-1835. There were 3 baptism entries for Legget(only one t) and the index led me to the parish register as follows:
Essex RO ref West Ham All Saints D/P 256/1/6 fiche 3 of 7
page 353 consecutive entries 2777-2779 on
1824 Jul 4
Elizabeth d of John and Honor born 12 Dec 1819 (the index referred to above says '1814' but I believe it has been mis-read)
Mary Ann d of John and Honor born 30 Sep 1824
William s of John and Honor born 5 Sep 1821
The abode was given as Stratford and occupation was gardener
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Hi Clincher,That is incredible, you have made my day. All the info now been given by Annette and yourself has confirmed some of the info that was given to me and more :)Rechecked what i could find on Familysearch and there were quite a few Leggett/Legate/Leggats in Essex as well.My branch of the Leggetts went from Suffolk to Norfolk. William ( born 1821) married Mary Ann Hannah Newby and were Publicans in Great Yarmouth from 1860's. I have all their children and their son William ( 1842-1926) went to N.Z.once again. thankyou, you are incredible.Trish
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I've just stumbled across this topic again and have noticed that you had traced John and Honor Leggott (or Legget(t) etc) in 1841/1851/1861 census.
What was their address in any of those census and did John work as a gardener for a big house?
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Hi Clincher,
Thank you for your continued interest.
1841 John and Honor and children in Hungate Street, Beccles, no street no. John and William are M.S. ( male servants?) Indexed as LeggOtt.
1851 49 London Road ( image hard to read) Beccles.
John 57, Honor 59, John occ.Servant.
1861 73 Hungate Street. John 68 (widow) and market
gardener
Daughter Mary Ann with him aged 37. No occp.
1871 58 Hungate Street,widow,78, market gardener.
Mary Ann, unmarried still with him aged 47.
If he was a servant/gardener for a large house does not appear to have lived on-site?. Checked addresses around him on censuses .
Trish :)
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You inspired me to follow Mary Ann Leggett after her Fathers death. Unfortunately she ended up in a workhouse in 1891.
How sad.
trish
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I confused myself bit here. I thought some of your Leggets (e.g. William) might have stayed in Stratford/West Ham.
Workhouses may have been awful places overall but they did usually include an infirmary for the sick so that might have been why Mary Ann ended her days in the workhouse.
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Hi Clincher,
No problem, I am always confused ::). I am sure there is a link to Stratford, probably further back than John. Have not delved into that yet. In the future if I find anything will let you know.
Regards,
trish
Have you been in touch with Les Leggett at www.leggettfamilyhistory.com.
He is very knowledgable + another Leggett researcher whose name escapes me at present???
I have found another William Leggett with links to the Markham family as well.
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Thanks for that website, Trish. Very helpful.
I have a Leggett twig on my tree (Elizabeth, b. Norwich c1826) that I can now grow into a branch!
meles
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Hi Meles,
Fantastic ;D ;D ;D,
Will find the other researcher for you also, just need to do some Motherly duties first.
Trish
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Meles,
Other site is linked to LFH, Malcolm Leggetts site. Very pleasant man also. Have had emails from Ron and Malcolm.
That is how I found my John Leggett/Honors names as William Leggetts parents ;D
Regards,
trish
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I can't help with your actual query, I'm afraid, but I'll just butt in and say I have some Scruttons in my tree. They're usually called Jeremiah and seem to be from around the Falkenham area throughout the 18th century, leaving for London in the 1830s.
I've not got a great deal on them - another researcher sent me a basic outline of my line of Scruttons, but not much flesh on the bones.
I noticed on the genfair/Felixstowe FHS website that they have some parish register transcriptions available for this area, so I've ordered them to try to flesh out this branch of my tree.
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Trish - been in touch - as you say, a very helpful site. Swapped info and hope to be in touch with them in future.
meles
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Hi Aulus,
They are a slippery bunch the Scruttons ;)
I am sure mine have some sort of link to the London area too. John and Honor were in that area and baptised children in Essex.
This is in the too hard basket at present, too many other lines to follow.
We can just hope ;D
Trish
MELES, extremely pleased for you. Must email Les with all my Leggets in New Zealand once I have finished that line properly. They tended to be large families, and N.Z. stuff is pretty hard to trace, but have had great help from N.Z. board.