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Good morning - can anyone help me please find details of Thomas Tricker - the Tricker family came from Suffolk (Woodbridge/Culpho/Grundisburgh) - there is Trickers Mill in Woodbridge as well.
The information I have is that a Thomas Tricker married Adamina Maria Garnham b 1803 - no date of marriage. We have her parentage, i.e. Robert Dobson Garnham b c 1766 father and Elizabeth Mason mother. But no information for Thomas Tricker.
We know that Thomas Tricker and Adamina Maria had 7 children.
If anyone can help with Thomas parents, his dob etc it would be most appreciated.
Thanking you in advance.
Loupy
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From the Suffolk Marriage Index.
Thomas Tricker = widower
Aldelmena Garnham
7th April, 1823 = Nacton
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Thank you Suffolk Sue - so, he was married before he married Adamina Garnham - still no dob though is there? I wonder who he was previously married to?
???
Loupy
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Have you got them in any of the census. Also what were their childrens names. I will see if I can figure which could be his first marriage as there are a few Thomas Tricker marriages.
Post as much info as you have on this family.
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Are these your Trickers in 1841
HO107/1020/8/8/10-Grundisburgh
All b in County
Maria 37
Emmanuel 17 Brick Maker
James 12
Elizabeth 18
Louisa 8
William 5
Amala 2
Deborah 11m
Next door is a John Garnham 20
If these are yours then in 1851 the 2 youngest are with a Thomas Tricker 64 who says he is married and they are in the workhouse.
James and William are with their married sister Maria.
If you need cencus details I will post them.
Jane
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That's the ones! Wheeey hey! ;D We had all the children apart from Emmanuel and that name has never cropped up before on any of our other research. Is he a definite son on the census?
Still no further info on Thomas though is there? He is the one we would like to go back on and research.
The Garnham family is also part of our family tree and I am also researching them as well! What a busy life - I spend more time doing this than housework!
I wonder if Adamina and Maria are two different people then in that case, one being his first wife and the other his second? Or whether Adamina dropped the Adamina bit and just used Maria! What a confusing family?
Many thanks for your help though. Have a good weekend. I am off - to Suffolk retracing steps!!
Loupy x
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I think Adamina Maria is her full name as her daughter Maria is Maria Adamina on the marriage entry
Have a nice weekend..
Jane
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In 1861 William is living with Emmanuel and his wife Maryann and he is recorded as brother
Jane
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You are brilliant - thank you.
Enjoy your weekend. Talk (via Rootschat) next week!
Loupy 8)
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I wonder if this is te first marriage.
Thomas Tricker
Elizabeth Bloss
7th July, 1817 = Clopton
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Possible burial.
Elizabeth TRICKER
Date of burial: 26 May 1822
Age at death: 21
Place of burial: Kirton
St Mary & St Martin
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Thank you all - we seem to be breaking down the wall now with Thomas.
I am off to - Suffolk - to take photos of ancestral grounds!
Talk next week.
Thank you again.
Loupy
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I know the following about Thomas and his family
Emmanuel baptised 5 Oct 1824 in Little Bealings, Suffolk
His siblings were all baptised in Grundisburgh, Suffolk as follows
Adamina Maria, 28 Jul 1826
Elizabeth, 11 Apr 1836
James, 23 Jul 1837
Louisa, 23 Jul 1837
William, 23 Jul 1837
Amelia, 16 Sep 1838
Deborah, 27 Mar 1842
Thomas had two children in his first marriage to Elizabeth Bloss
John baptised 23 Aug 1818 in Clopton, Suffolk
Esther baptised 2 Mar 1820 in Clopton, Suffolk she is buried same place 5 Mar 1820
Thomas was baptised 26 Jan 1790 in Burgh, Suffolk the son of
James & Esther Copping who married 9 Dec 1789 in Clopton, Suffolk
Their other children were baptised in Clopton, Suffolk
James, 26 Feb 1792
Jeremiah, 31 Aug 1793
Esther, 7 Apr 1795
Amy, 7 May 1797
Emanuel, 6 Oct 1799
John, 20 Jun 1802
Esther was buried 26 Dec 1804 in Tuddenham, Suffolk
I believed James may have married twice after this but have not found hard facts to prove or disprove.
His second marriage 23 Jun 1806 in Nacton, Suffolk to Eve Blowers, I have not found a burial for her
The third marriage 5 Apr 1813 in Tuddenham, Suffolk, to Ann Brame, I have not found either in burial records.
I have not found any children of either marriage.
James was baptised 8 Apr 1770 in Hasketon, Suffolk the son of
Thomas & Elizabeth Holden who married in Grunisburgh, Suffolk 28 Dec 1767
She was a widow of Burgh, but I have no info on her maiden name.
They had one other child Thomas baptised 13 Nov 1768 in Burgh, Suffolk
Elizabeth was buried 19 Dec 1772 in Hasketon, Suffolk
Thomas remarries 14 Sep 1777 in Burgh, Suffolk to Hannah Howes. I have not found children to them. I record a burial in Nacton, Suffolk 13 Jan 1814 for Thomas aged 75, therefore being born about 1739 but cannot identify Thomas baptism or where he came from.
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I had all of these Trickers in my database with the exception of most of the children of Thomas Tricker and Adamina Maria Garnham (whom I have now added: my thanks to Tryykersfield) . There are a couple of things I can add to the collected works:
1. The Esther Tricker who was buried at Tuddenham St Martin on 26th December 1804 was, I believe, Esther Copping, wife of James Tricker.
Supporting evidence:
A. The date of burial is consistent with James being remarried to Eve Blowers on 23rd June 1806.
B. James Tricker's children, with the exception of Jeremiah, started entering the Nacton House of Industry in April 1803. For that reason, a cousin of my wife's (they are both Trickers) who transcribed relevant bits of the Nacton HOI records, believed Esther must have died by that date. However, it may well be the case that her health had failed and she was unable to care for the children during the remaining part of her life.
C. When Eve Blowers married James Tricker at Nacton on 23 Jun 1806 the banns described him as a widower of Tuddenham, her as a single woman of Nacton. This tells us that James and Esther were probably resident at Tuddenham when she died.
As a matter of intereset, Eve Blowers was discharged from the Nacton HOI on the day she married James Tricker. Perhaps that's why the wedding took place at Nacton.
2. I have also had difficulty establishing when and where Thomas Tricker was born. His age was recorded as 75 on admission to the Nacton HOI on 12 October 1813, which places his birth between October 1737 and October 1738. The only decent candidate I can find was baptised at Wetherden on 28 August 1737. Ages recorded at Nacton HOI have been shown to be somewhat unreliable in other cases and the error is small enough to be acceptable.
If I have the right candidate, his parents were Thomas Tricker and Sarah Pearle and you can trace them back another three generations in the LDS Pedigree Resource File.
I can provide more detail if wanted.
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Wow - thank you. It seems I am getting that brick wall broken down at last. Thank you so much.
Loupy
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Sorry about that, yes in the case of Esther I had meant the mother (Copping) guess its a habit that you don't think about when writing.
I tend to include death/burial alongside the birth/baptism record of the person when detailing family and move off to a clear line to refer back to parents sorry for the confusion. I actually didn't consider the daughter because of the James marriage in 1806 as a widower.
Looking at my data I don't have any knowledge of the daughter I do have a couple of options but have not connected anything yet.
ddutoit1942 are you aware of Eve Blowers age when she left the HOI. Getting married was probably why she left HOI as well as being married in Nacton. I don't suppose your cousins noticed any Tricker's leaving the HOI after this date, although I expect James may have been living in Tuddenham before the marriage being the place Esther was buried and where he might have married for the third time in 1813 if that is the case.
I wholeheartly agree with your comment in regard ages but it no doubt was a problem at all levels particularly when they lived so long and moved about, no one probably new his exact age including himself. I have a relation who aged 8 years every census and as you know they were conducted every 10 years.
I think we also need to consider that not all babies were baptised immediately following birth although in general include comments like "a child", "infant" or the age. Based on that I actually have additional Thomas Tricker's that could be a candidate and I could be missing some records also. I offer the following as candidates also
Prior to the stated Thomas baptised in 1737 the previous baptism of a Thomas I record as being in 1728 so have no candidates before your suggestion. Going forward I believe there are 4 candidates -
Thomas bap 10 Jun 1739 Stowmarket, parent Philip and Jane (Harvey)
another 21 Jul 1741 in Stowmarket, base born, mother Grace
another in Combs 10 Jul 1743 base born mother Mary and
who I consider to be the last option one in Eye 22 May 1743 parents Jepthah and Anne (Howes)
The next baptism of a Thomas occurs in 1756 in stowmarket and do not consider him to be an option
I have at present only consider that of marriage and death of the 1739 Thomas but this is by no means set in concrete
Going forward a marriages certainly might fit into one of them, Thomas in Hitcham 11 Oct 1762 to Judith Powle, Thomas is said to be from Orford, banns were read there and in Hitcham, they baptise children in Stowmarket. The other is Thomas and Elizabeth Holden in 1767, a third in Redlingfield in 1785 might be the Thomas bap in Eye nothing else
A Thomas is buried in Orford 27 Feb 1813 aged 74 and currently link him to the one who married Judith Powle. We then have Thomas buried in Nacton and another buried 28 May 1819 in Cockfield aged 74 (1745). Interesting how all are the same age at death from around the same period, must have been something in the water at the time. That is about all I know of the possibles.
Also ddutoit1942 is it possible to know which ancestry line your cousin and wife come from.
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Thank you for all the above. It seems my request for info on Thomas Tricker is not only helping me but someone else too.
If anyone has any certificates for any part of the Tricker family which is in my line I would be most grateful. I can obviously pay for copies and postage.
Thank you Tryykersfield.
Loupy
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Here is everything I have from the Nacton HOI records (I'll post it in sections, because it exceeds the maximum size allowed).
James Tricker's children and others
4 Apr 1803 Thomas Tricker aged 13, formerly of Clopton, admitted, b.1790
19 Sep 1803 Thomas Tricker, to Mr Thomas Wood, indentured
10 Oct 1803 Thomas Tricker, apprenticed
8 Jan 1805 James Tricker's ordered two children be admitted to the house
8 Jan 1805 Amy Tricker aged 7, formerly of Clopton, admitted, b.1797
8 Jan 1805 Emmanuel Tricker aged 5, formerly of Clopton, admitted, b.1799
(no date) Emmanuel Tricker, discharged
11 Apr 1805 James Tricker aged 14, formerly of Clopton, admitted
11 Oct 1805 James Tricker, apprenticed
30 Sep 1805 James Tricker, indentured to Mr. John Keone(?)
7 Apr 1807 Amy Tricker, discharged
7 Apr 1807 Esther Tricker aged 13, formerly of Clopton, admitted
8 Sep 1807 Esther Tricker, indentured to Mr. George Payn
10 Oct 1807 Esther Tricker, apprenticed
2 Apr 1810 Amy Tricker aged 13, formerly of Clopton, admitted
8 Jun 1810 Emmanuel Tricker aged 5, pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
7 Sep 1810 Ab' Tricker, aged 6, pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
7 Sep 1810 Abraham Tricker aged (?), formerly of Clopton, admitted
(no date) Abraham Tricker, discharged
11 Oct 1810 Amy Tricker, apprenticed
7 Sep 1812 Abraham Tricker, aged (?), formerly of Clopton, admitted
(no date) Abraham Tricker, discharged
End of Part 1
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Nacton HOI records: Part 2
**D du Toit
These next two people listed are not James Tricker's children. They are believed to be his father and stepmother (his father's second wife)
Further references to them are marked thus: #
12 Oct 1813 Thomas Tricker aged 75, pauper, formerly of Burgh, admitted
12 Oct 1813 Ann Tricker aged 77, pauper, formerly of Burgh, admitted
30 Aug 1813 Emmanuel Tricker, apprenticed
#10 Jan 1814 Thomas Tricker, death
#13 Jan 1814 Thomas Tricker, married man, aged 75 years, buried at Nacton HOI
23 Jan 1814 Ab' Tricker, death
30 Jan 1814 Abraham Tricker, fever, aged 8 years, buried at Nacton HOI
26 Sep 1814 Mary Tricker, indentured to Sir Rogert Hartland B' (also to Mr. George Cooke)
#5 Jan 1815 Ann Tricker, discharged
21 Sep 1818 James Tricker, to John Windgate, indentured
20 Sep 1820 John Tricker, indentured to Mrs. Peggy Cook
18 Oct 1820 Thos' Tricker, aged 32 pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
18 Oct 1820 Elizabeth Tricker, aged 27 pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
18 Oct 1820 John Tricker, aged 2 pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
12 Feb 1821 John, son of Adamina Garnham, spinster, born at Grundisburgh (might have been born 1820)
23 Feb 1821 John, son of Adamina Garnham, spinster, baptised at Nacton HOI
31 Mar 1821 Elizabeth Catherine daughter of Eve Blowers, spinster, born at Grundisburgh
1 Apr 1821 Elizabeth Catherine daughter of Eve Blowers, spinster, baptised at Nacton HOI
14 Jun 1822 Jeremiah Tricker, born in the house, formerly of Clopton
14 Jun 1822 Jeremiah, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Tricker, born at Clopton
16 Jun 1822 Jeremiah, son of Thomas and Elizabeth Tricker, baptised at Nacton HOI
7 Jul 1822 Elizabeth Tricker, death
10 Jul 1822 Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Tricker, mortification, aged 28 years, buried at Nacton HOI
4 Mar 1823 Thos' Tricker, ran away
11 Mar 1823 Thos' Tricker aged 35 pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
7 Apr 1823 Adamina Tricker, aged 18, pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
7 May 1823 Louiza Tricker, born in the house, formerly of Clopton
#9 Apr 1823 Ann Tricker, widow aged 85 years, buried at Nacton HOI
19 Sep 1823 John Tricker, discharged
19 Sep 1823 Jeremiah Tricker, discharged
19 Sep 1823 Thos' Tricker, discharged
19 Sep 1823 Adamina Tricker, discharged
19 Sep 1823 Louiza Tricker, discharged
2 Jul 1832 John Tricker, aged 13 pauper, formerly of Clopton, admitted
11 Oct 1832 John Tricker, apprenticed Garnham (related to Tricker)
1 Sep 1818 Samuel Tricker to Robert Garnham, indentured
11 Oct 1820 George, son of Adela Garnham, spinster, born at Grundisburgh
18 Oct 1820 George son of Adela Garnham, spinster, baptised at Nacton HOI
End of Part 2
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Nacton HOI records: Part 3
Other people who might be related to James Tricker
21 Mar 1792 Hannah Howes, widow aged 80 years, buried at Nacton HOI
(she was the mother of James Tricker's father Thomas Tricker's second wife, Hannah Howes. **D du Toit)
20 Nov 1800 Eve Blowers, aged 31, formerly of Burgh, admitted
(she became James Tricker's second wife, marrying him in 1806. She had illegitimate twins - Adam and Eve - whose admission is not listed here, although Adam's burial is listed below. **D du Toit)
7 Jul 1801 Adam son of Eve Blowers, aged 1½ years, buried at Nacton HOI
6 Dec 1802 Eve Blowers, aged 33, formerly of Burgh, admitted
2 Jul 1804 Eve Blowers, discharged
23 Jun 1806 Eve Blowers, discharged
(She married James Tricker on this day, the date of her final discharge. **D du Toit)
End of Document
So, we don't have Eve Blowers' age upon discharge, but as you can see she was in and out of the place a few times, and is recorded as being 31 on admission on 20/11/1800, and 33 on admission on 6/12/1802. According to a record in the LDS IGI, she was baptised on 22/6/1768 at Nacton, which doesn't quite fit with the HOI records.
Another point of interest from the above: Louisa (Louiza) Tricker, born in the HOI 7 May 1823, must have died before 1833, because Louisa, baptised on 23 Jul 1837, was 8 in the 1841 census.
My wife and her cousin are descended from James Tricker and Esther Copping via Jeremiah (the one who escaped the House of Industry, possibly because he was apprenticed at a tender age!). Jeremiah moved to Harwich in Essex, where he married and settled. His grandson emigrated to NZ, which is where my wife and her cousin come from.
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ddutoit1942 thanks for sharing all of that, it is a interesting reading on top of parish records.
I am first generation Australian with my lineage back to Stowmarket/Combs via several different parishes over the last 6 generations.
I understand there are two distinct lines in NZ one traced back to Stowupland and possibly connecting to my own way back and that of your wife which I had not got around to tracing the connection. Guess it is the Jeremiah - Thomas line we are discussing.
I personally have a belief that it would connect back to Stowmarket/Combs somehow if we are ever able to work out who Thomas is. I now know that the most of the Trickers in Alderburgh, Sudbourne originated from Stowmarket beginning around 1800
Thanks again for the data
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I am so impressed - thank you both so much. This has been wonderful - with so much information.
Brilliant - I give you both gold stars!
Loupy :D
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I'm have a Mary Ann Tricker born 1828 in Stowmarket. The IGI Bishop's Transcripts have one 14 Dec., that shows parents Thomas and Maria. The IGI has a marriage 1826 Thomas Tricker/Maria Langham. But I don't know where Thomas was born, and I need a real Tricker researcher to find him.
If this is connected to any of your Trickers, I'm all ears, because I am stuck on this one.
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Wow - all these Trickers coming out of the woodwork now. I expect Trykkersfield will have some answers - wont you?
Loupy
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Maybe Loupy lets see
With a little reservation I suggest that Thomas was baptised 29 Jan 1801 in Stowmarket the son of William and Ann (CODD) TRICKER. I indicate he has a twin brother Philip.
I use the term suggest as at present I am revisiting all my paper data (about a ream) and adding all the little titbits of information that was gathered and used to connect people in my mind but I did not include in the original data. I have on several occasions been confused by my own data and had to go back to the paper base to check what was happening, which is annoying and time comsuming as it has no real sequence.
I have the marriage to Maria LANGHAM as 12 Jul 1826 in Stowmarket. Thomas was buried 4 Jul 1840 in Stowmarket aged 39 hence born about 1801.
Maria in the 1841 census has the children baptised to them living with her except Mary Ann who at age 15 (bn 1826) is a servant to Benjamin Howes and those that had died as infants.
Maria remarries 27 Mar 1852 to a Lionel GIRLING in Stowmarket, one of the witness at this marriage is William CODD but I am unsure if he has any relationship but it might suggests a link to what I think is Thomas family.
On this marriage certificate Maria names her father as William CHAMBERLAIN. This comes about because her mother Mary LANGHAM married William Chamberlain 5 Nov 1807 although banns were read 20, 27 Oct & 3 Nov 1805. There is no reason shown for the time lag between banns and marriage, maybe they planned to marry and other events postponed it. Whether William was the actual father of Maria is unknown he is not named on the baptism of
Maria which was 25 Aug 1805 and she is shown as spuria (illegitimate)
Regards
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You are a minefield of information. As proved before, you have not only helped me but others as well. Thank you.
Loupy
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Thank you very much Trykkersfield, that was exactly what I meant by a REAL Tricker researcher:) Are you related to this couple then?
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Thats a negitive, like the Thomas family of Clopton, going back this family runs into a deadend with no clear indications of where it comes from. If it was going to connect it would be back in the mid to late 1600 at the earliest
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Never mind, getting to 1800 has always been my main goal and anything prior to that is a bonus. Damn these ancestors that moved without letting anyone know!
Incidentally, you mentioned Combs. Mary Ann married William Bone from Combs. For your records:)
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Hi keebleancestors
You mentioned Mary Ann marrying William Bone
My current data is based on FreeBMD info and that does not reflect a last name of Bone
It actually shows William Bone BAKER amougst three other male options they are
John Durrant, John Felgate or Charles Woods with other females being ANDREWS Elizabeth, JACKSON Mary Ann, JENINGS Sarah
I had not allotted a husband because of the two Mary Ann options and having not looked too closely at the data yet.
As she is your ancestor do have details of the marriage, marriage certificate ie proof that spouse is William Bone / Baker? or is it family knowledge. The name may be why I have never resolved anything with her.
As a second question
Is Keeble a name you are interested in as I recall it coming up in my database every now and then.
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He was married as William Bone Baker, but after they married he went by Bone. His parents weren't married when he was born so he got the customary bastard middle name of his father's surname, but they did marry later.
The Keebles are on the other side, these two lines don't cross until 1984, LOL. This is my grandson's tree.
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Just to throw a spanner in the Tricker works ;)
There are Trickers in the Suffolk/Essex border country, from Boxford and Little Cornard where Edmund Tricker had his brickworks (certainly noted in White's of 1844).
I am in touch with two Tricker descendants of this branch of the family, both of whom are in Australia.
Not researching the name myself, but as I live in the area of Suffolk where this branch were at one time of day, and I have been able to help a little with research.
SM ...
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That is interesting as the Deborah Tricker, who married William Andrews, my ancestors, had two daughters who emigrated to Australia but then their names were Andrews!
I will look this Edmund up!
Your info may help the other people who have also shown an interest in Thomas Tricker.
Thank you.
Loupy