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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Boongie Pam on Tuesday 06 April 04 09:57 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Anyone else have an interest in LINN/LIND in West Calder or AITKEN of Kirknewton (I had a large family at Pathhead farm).
Isabella Lind (b 1802 d 1877) married Thomas Aitken she was the daughter of William Lind and Elizabeth Martin. William was the son of William Lind and Margaret Howison. It is early days on this research as most of this is based on IGI/OPRs.
Cheers,
Pam
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:) Hello!
I have John LIND and Helen HOWISON who from 1742-1759 had AGNES, JANET, JAMES (m/1 Anges Burns m/2 Agnes Mill), BESSIE (m/ John Watson), JOHN, JOHN and THOMAS (m/ Agnes Shields, lived Cobbinshaw). Can you link to your William Lind - Margaret Howison or to William Thomas Lind who married Janet Howison? All lived Carnwath, West Calder and environs, all approximately contemporary.
Tutu
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Hiya Tutu,
I think there is a connection somewhere but I can't find it!!
I've been in touch with somebody else who is connected to the Cobbinshaw LINN/Ds his family being from Carnwath, but we couldn't work out the connection. My William seems to be elusive, I suspect he died young as there is an entry on the OPR for a coffin for a Wm Lind in 1813 (I think it's 1813 - off the top of m'head). There has to be a connection.
I'll get what I have together from the other chap and my meagre offerings and see if your guys are mentioned.
Cheers,
Pam
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Hi Tutu,
You have the same family members as the chap I had contact through on the Midlothian Rootsweb list. I am going to email him and link this thread so he can register and make contact with you if he wants to, you may already have met?
I plan on doing a bit of work on the OPRs fro West Calder and Kirknewton over the next few weeks. I have already transcribed all the West Calder 1841 census LIND/LINNs if you want a copy of it (42 people) then pm me.
Cheers,
Pam
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Hi again,
I had a small break through on this line last night ;D. I found my William LIND (father to Isabella) on the 1841 census age 70 living with a family called GOOLD. Odd spelling but it appears this way on the OPR as well. Margaret Goold wife of James Goold (originally of Lanark) is Margaret LIND Isabella's sister.
I have no idea how I managed to miss him first time! ???
It isn't getting me nearer your line but I know know where they lived so it helps!
Pam
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Hi
I am looking for the family of a person by the name of Robert Aitken, married to a Isabella Borthwick. Son George Aitken, married to Janet Cairns. Their son Thomas Cairns Aitken (Born Brisbane Australia) married Annie Young Dewar.
If you have any of those names in you research I would love to hear from you.
Thanks
Sharleen
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Hiya Sharleen,
Do you know where or when your Robert was from?
The Robert Aitken in my tree doesn't fit with your marriage...
http://fallon.rootschat.net/249.html
I know of 2 of his marriages but don't hve a death yet so can't rule out a 3rd marriage. However, it is a common scottish name.
Hi Mike,
I seem to have missed your post, very sorry. I don't have any of those names in my tree sorry :-\
All the best,
Pam
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Hi Tutu Bonnie
I was wondering where you found the following people and whether you know anything more about John Lind and Helen Howison?
I have John LIND and Helen HOWISON who from 1742-1759 had AGNES, JANET, JAMES (m/1 Anges Burns m/2 Agnes Mill), BESSIE (m/ John Watson), JOHN, JOHN and THOMAS (m/ Agnes Shields, lived Cobbinshaw). Can you link to your William Lind - Margaret Howison or to William Thomas Lind who married Janet Howison? All lived Carnwath, West Calder and environs, all approximately contemporary.
Tutu
...I seem to have ground to a halt with them!
Robbie
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Hello, Robbie --
Are you trying to move forward or backward with this family? I am descended from Thomas Lind and Agnes m.s. Shields, and link them to John Lind and Helen m.s. Howison through family correspondence held by a distant cousin in Canada. Thomas' siblings come from repeated readings of Carnwath and West Calder OPRs as published by the LDS Church in their International Genealogical Index -- the extracted records version, not patron submissions. That has been supplemented by Civil Registrations at New Register House, Edinburgh read and transcribed by a correspondent in the Edinburgh area. Also correspondence with other descendants over the last 15 years. So we have a pretty complete and well documented tree downward from two sons of the +/- 1750 couple. I cannot find anything about the son John (one died in infancy, the other ???) or the daughters -- apart from Bess who married John Watson.
Going backwards is a bit trickier. There's a great deal of circumstance, speculation and guesswork, mostly based on place. I believe (but cannot document) that the John Lind in question was the son of James Lind who was a Covenanter. There is a list of Covenanters posted on Ancestry.com which includes "James Linn of Moshat". Some of the later generations of Linds married into Covenanter families in Dumfriesshire. There is a will for Robert Linn of Auchingray posted at Scotland'sPeople linking him to Mosshat. Other documents from the period link John Lin, James Lin, Adam Lin and David Lin to the farms of Auchingray, Tarbrax and Mosshat. The timing is a bit awkward to make the generations work. Since my ancestor was not born until 1759 (per OPRs), it is bothersome to have his father born in the 1680's. Possible, but awkward. I need to learn a lot more about Scottish law, inheritance, and property ownership to really understand what I am reading. And no, I cannot definitively link to other Lin(d) - Howison marriages. I do believe all the Linds between Glasgow and Edinburgh are linked to one degree or another.
Am happy to share shat I have.
--Bonnie
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Hi Tutu
Is Tutu OK for short?
I'm trying to move backwards. Sounds like that's going to be difficult.
Helen, my wife, is also descended from the same Thomas and Agnes Lind as you (she carries the name on as her middle name) through the son John 1800-1881, and his son James b. 1845, then on to her Grandmother Marion Lind b. 1885. I think it all hangs together pretty well.
I see what you mean about the awkwardness of James Lind of Mosshat being John's father if the latter was born in 1759, but I link that date with Thomas' birth not John's. I've attached "13/12/1759 Lind, Thomas [OPR Births 701/0010 0215 West Calder]. I've probably got it wrong, but you might want to have a look. I get skelly-e'ed looking at this stuff after a while.
Thanks for getting back to me. By the way, likewise, if there's anything you want to know about the trail from Thomas + Agnes down to my wife please say.
Cheers
Robbie
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Hello, Robbie!
Tutu works.
I have corresponded periodically with some of your wife's cousins, particularly Janis Cornwall who has a very interesting story to tell. I know the cousins here in Hawaii a great deal better. John, the oldest of Marion's siblings -- the infant who was enumerated at So. Cobbinshaw in the 1881 census -- married in Scotland and in 1910 moved to Hawaii. John and his wife, Helen, had 2 sons -- John (called Jack) and James. James never married. Jack married a Hawaiian woman (Daisy) and lived on the island of Maui. They had five sons -- John, Bruce, Greg, Jeffrey, and Terrance. Most of them live near their mother on the island of Maui. You can read more about John Lind at www.kipahulu.org.
http://gallery.mac.com/scottcrawford#100041/IMG_4995&bgcolor=black In this photo, Tweetie (aka Glenna) Lind is standing, in red; the bearded gentleman next to her is her husband, John.
You're right. Thomas, born 1759. The lineage COULD be Robert Lin d. 1705 (will at ScotlandsPeople) appears to have brother David and sister Janet, at least sons James and Adam. James of Mosshat, Covenanter b. c. 1655 MAY BE his son. Timing and place fit. THEN MAYBE -- John of Mosshat. Robert leaves half of his sheep to his apparent grandson, John -- son of James. I would VERY MUCH like this grandson, John, to be the same John who married Helen Howison! But I don't have enough information to make that proof. If you are in Scotland, and if you ever use the archives in Edinburgh, maybe you can muck around in the land records and wills and see if you can turn up documents from the period 1650-1800 re. the lands of Mosshat, Tarbrax, Cobbinshaw, Kiprig, Kipsyke(s) and Auchingray.
Send me your direct address, and I will send you a GEDCOM of what we know about this line.
---Bonnie