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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: bowes on Friday 09 May 08 07:57 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
Could sks please do a lookup for a death for William Aitken who was born in Falkirk and was maried to Henrietta Petrie. They had 5 children all in Falkirk, and he was laast sighted in 1841 census. Not found in 1851 census. He was born either 1792 or 1801, year not yet confirmed.
Kind regards
Jackie
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See also these two threads:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303494.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,302933.0.html
Hi Jackie - it's best to link your threads when they deal with the same person. It avoids duplication of effort that way :)
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Sorry about that. How do I link the messages?
Also, I still don't have the death for William, that was why I posted a death lookup. Must I link everything pertaining to the Aitken's I am researching on the same message?
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
The three threads are all about the same person and it's usual to have just the one thread in that case. Otherwise people might well duplicate the work on the other threads, as happened in the case of Ecneps, Monica and I going over the same info.
I've put up the two links here so that people can read where we've got to.
It looks as if he died between 1841 and 1851 and, if that's the case, your best hope is for MIs (Monumental Inscriptions) or an outside chance of a burial record in Falkirk. If he didn't have a tombstone, it can get very difficult to find.
Did you check for his death(1855+) or a will on the Scotlands People site? If not, I'll have a look now.
Gadget
To link threads, go to the thread you want to copy the address of. copy the address from your address bar and then paste it into the new message. If you have problems - just give the title and Board and we can then see the whole story :)
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Just checked on the full image of the 1851 census that Barbara found for you of Henrietta Petrie. She is listed as a widow, so William died between 1841-1851.
Gadget
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thanks so much.
i did look on scotlands people, but there are 8 of them, and i am not sure which one could be him.
regards
jackie
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If he died before 1851, he'll not be listed on Scotland's People. The Official Registers didn't start in Scotland until 1855.
As I said, your best bet is an MI, a possible burial/lair listing or the Kirk Sessions records.
It might be worth finding out where Henrietta was buried - there might be something on a possible tombstone for her.
Regards
Gadget
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For some unknown reason, the Manchester and Lancashire Family History Society Library, holds a copy of Falkirk burials.
http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/Library/cat-RZ.htm
I assume that there would be similar ones in Edinburgh and Stirlingshire*.
Gadget
* Click for listing (http://www.falkirk.gov.uk/services/community/cultural_services/museums/archives/finding_aids/PDFs/cemeteries.pdf)
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Where would i look for burial records for Henrietta? Is there a site i can look at?
Regards
Jackie
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The Scotland People's site for deaths after 1854:
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I've had a quick look and can't find a suitable one so she might have died before 1855.
I'm sorry that I can't help any more. Deaths/burials before 1855 are tricky but you seem to be lucky -
The Central Scotland Family History Society covers Stirlingshire:
http://www.csfhs.org.uk/
I see that the have a pre-1855 Burial Index for Falkirk costing £8.20:
http://www.csfhs.org.uk/publications.htm
Regards
Gadget
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I know that one of our members, apanderson, does have quite a stock of burial records/MI for Stirling. I've PMed her, drawing her attention to this thread.
Regards
Gadget
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thank you so much.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Got Gadget's PM and had a look through the published pre-1855 MI Book for East Stirlingshire but alas, no William (or Henrietta) Aitkens. This doesn't mean they won't have been buried in one of the 5 Falkirk Churchyards, just that there's no stone.
You said in the first message in this thread that you had a note of 5 of their children. Do you have any of their dates of death? The reason I ask is that it's not unusual to find parents listed on children's stones, especially if the parents never had a stone, or even if they had, it seems sometimes to be a case of cramming as many names on to a more recent stone as possible! I have no idea why this was the practice but I've found dozens of these types of stone.
It might be an idea to try and expand your information on each of their children - who they married, where they moved to etc., and somewhere along the line, something just might turn up for their parents. If you've got the death certificates for them, it'll narrow down where they'd probably be buried and we could try taking it from there.
In general, the Cemeteries weren't established till aound the 1880's so if any of the children survived till then, even better, as the Cemetery Records Office will more than likely have all the info needed to find them.
Sorry I'm not much of a help at this point but it's the best way forward I can think of for the time being.
Anne
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thanks for your advice.
Can I ask for a lookup on this post? If so, can someone please do a lookup for me in 1861, 1871 census for the following children of William and Henrietta Aitken:
Thomas Hamilton Aitken B26-7-1821 Falkirk
Margaret Douglas Aitken B20-9-1822 Falkirk (marr 1844 to John Petrie Stevenson)
Agnes Aitken B1824 Falkirk (marr John Allan 1840 Falkirk)
Helen Scrimgeour Aitken B11-6-1827 Falkirk (marr Robert Stevenson 1847)
Thomas Alexander Aitken B1830 Falkirk (Have his 1871) (marr to Jane Sutherland Murray in 1862 Tradeston)
Kind regards
Jackie
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Sorry Jackie, I only have access to the 1881 Cencus, hopefully someone else can help out there.
I had a wee look through the British Vital Records CD's (much the same as the IGI) and found children born to:
John Allan and Agnes Aitken
John b. 01.05.1840, c. 02.08.1840
Agnes b. 12.08.1842, c. 22.08.1842
Bethea b. 03.08.1844, c. no date given
William b. 07.10.1846, c. no date given
Thomas b. 25.09.1848, c. no date given
Robert b. 08.04.1853, c. 08.05.1853
All born in Falkirk
Robert Stevenson and Helen Scrymegour Aitken
Helen Scrymegour Aitken b. 29.03.1850, c. no date given
William b. 30.03.1852, c. no date given
Henrietta b. 03.09.1853, c. no date given
All born Glasgow
I couldn't find anything for Thomas Hamilton Aitken or Margaret Douglas Aitken (Petrie).
Do you think there could have been a connection between Margaret's husband John Petrie Stevenson and Henrietta Petrie?
All William Aitkens born in Falkirk around the time 'your' William would have been born
William b. 01.04.1797, c 09.04.1797 to Robert Aitken and Elizabeth Hill
William b. 11.03.1801, c.22.03.1801 to Mark Aitken and Agnes Paterson - this couple had a stone in Falkirk Parish Churchyard
William b. 23.09.1801, c. 04.10.1801 to Adam Aitken and Catharine Gibson
(Falkirk Parish Churchyard was cleared and landscaped and there are no longer any stones)
Henrietta could have moved in with one of her children after William died so could be anywhere!
Anne
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As I'm off for a while, could I just say that it is likely that the first Thomas, b. 1821 died in infancy.
Gadget
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Just for clarification - the Agnes Aitken that married John Allan in 1840 was born 12 Apr 1819 at Falkirk. She was the daughter of John Aitken and Agnes Waddell - not William and Henrietta Aitken as stated below.
If anyone wishes to discuss this line in more detail please pm me.
:)
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That's very useful information, coonwarra :)
Jackie - from where did you get the details of William and Henrietta's children's marrriages?
Gadget
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Hi there,
I got William and Henrietta's children through MonicaLesL on IGI.
Thanks apanderson for your info. I will hold off on the Agnes and John info for now.
Henrietta was visiting her daughter Margaret in the 1851 census.
I don't have anything on the 1861 census's so not sure where she was then.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
The children's names are fine - I looked them up as well, on the other thread. It's the marriages that I'm querying. Coonwarra says that you have the wrong marriage for Agnes. If so, it's not really worth looking her up as she's not yours.
Gadget
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hi there gadget,
I did see another agnes marriage to a robert ingram on 24-6-1842 in Falkirk on IGI. Not sure if that is correct marriage?
I posted a lookup for 1861 and 1871 for some of the siblings to agnes, but nothing received yet.
Family have said that this line is connected to Lord Beaverbrook, but I have not found a link yet.
Maybe if i could find some more children of the siblings and also of the next generation from Thomas Alexander and Jane Sutherland Murray marriage, i will find the link somewhere, but at present, nothing yet.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
I assume that you have got one line back to one of these children? How are you descended from them?
It's easier to work back through a direct line and then work forward one at a time than looking at all of the children.
You should check for deaths of all of the ones who lived beyond 1855. The certs will show their parents and you can then be sure that you have the correct ones.
Gadget
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hi gadget,
This is what i have at present:
1.Thomas Aitken marr Margaret Douglas
2.William Aitken B1792 Falkirk D bet 1841 and 1851 marr 1820 to Henrietta Petrie (siblings James, Thomas, Margaret and Ann)
3.Thomas Alexander Aitken B1830 Falkirk D6-6-1893 Partick marr 1862 to Jane Sutherland Murray (Siblings Thomas Hamilton, Margaret Douglas, Agnes, Helen Scrimgeour)
4.Thomas Alexander Aitken B8-4-1863 Tradeston D4-9-1937 South Africa (have his death
certificate) (He also married a lady by the name of Harriet, but unsure whether she was from
South Africa or Scotland or elsewhere) (siblings Henry John Murray, Annie Sutherland, Charles Bruce, Eleanor Isabella, Mary Ann, James McIntyre, George E, William S, Jane, Margaret)
5.Phillip Alexander Sutherland Aitken B1893 South Africa D1984 South Africa (siblings Charles,
Sybil and Winifred) marr Muriel Ivy Duncan
6.Living Aitken
I only have LDS site to work from, so it has been quite difficult. I find Scotland is hard to find information, as with my English lines, I use freebmd quite a bit.
The rand/pound rate makes things difficult as well:)
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Re. the earlier mention of Lord Beaverbrook - his father was William Cuthbert Aitken, who came from Torphichen in West Lothian and his grandfather was Robert Aitken, also of Torphichen. I have details of Beaverbrook's direct line in West Lothian (or Linlithgowshire as most of it was once known) going back to about 1590.
West Lothian borders Stirlingshire, so I guess a connection is possible, although you need to be aware that Aitken is a very common name in this part of the world.
If you do have a connection I would suggest that you need to look at the earlier generations. Do you know the origins of the Thomas Aitken that married Margaret Douglas?
:)
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Hi there,
I have been searching and searching for most of the day, and this is what I have now found:
When I looked again at the census for 1871 and 1881 for my Thomas Alexander Aitken, it shows an age difference of about 3 years between Thomas and Jane Sutherland Murray. If Jane was born 22 May 1841, then Thomas would have been born about 1838.
When I look at Thomas's birth for 1838 in Falkirk, I get parents as Henry S Aitken and Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat. (2 of Thomas and Jane's children were called Henry John Murray and Eleanor Isabella)
Thomas's birth is shown on IGI as 23 April 1838 in Falkirk, Batch C119707.
I also found on British newspapers, an obituary as follows:
Aitken, at 19 Albion Crescent, Thomas Alexander Aitken, son of the late H S Aitken, W.S, Edinburgh - Only imitation.
On IGI he is shown as an only child.
There is a birth for Henry Aitken chrs 1 Dec 1811 in Falkirk, to parents, wait for it......John Aitken and Agnes Waddell Batch C119702.
This now throws out my previous ideas for his family in my previous message.
I will now have to repost a request for a lookup for 1841, 1851, 1861 census for Thomas with parents as Henry and Eleanor.
By the way, children of Thomas and Jane are: Henry John Murray Aitken, Annie Sutherland A, Charles Bruce A, Eleanor Isabella A, Mary Ann A, James McIntyre A, George E A, William S A, Thomas Alexander A.
Comments??
Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Henry Aitken, son of John Aitken and Agnes Waddell, who was christened 1 dec 1811 married Mary Allan at Falkirk in 1848, so I don't think he is your man.
:'(
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Okay, maybe there is another Henry. But Thomas's father must be Henry, as if I follow my original line with William being Thomas's father, then with him being born in 1830 and his wife being born in 1841, makes an 11 year difference, wife being older.
Regards
Jackie
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In 1841 Henry S Aitken is living at High Street, Falkirk and is described as a Writer - so the obit that you found is probably correct. His birth is circa 1811.
This might be him in the IGI:
HENRY AITKEN
Christening: 12 JAN 1806 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Parents:
Father: THOMAS AITKEN Family
Mother: HELEN SCRIMGEOUR
Henry's wife's name is given as Isabella, also born c1811
:)
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thanks so much.
this certainly seems more on track. isabella as granny to eleanor isabella, the daughter of thomas.
regards
jackie
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So, could I get this straight. The Thomas Alexander Aitken was not the son of William Aitken but of Henry Aitken :-\
If this is so, it really reinforces what I said earlier today. Go with what you know and work back carefully; checking all possibilities. The IGI will take you so far but the original records on Scotland's People or searches at Edinburgh will be the best evidence. Have you got the death cert of the Thomas Aitken, b. c. 1838?
Gadget
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From the other threads, both Monica and I identified the children of Thoams Aitken (b.c. 1792) and Henrietta Petrie as:
From IGI, the children in birth order are:
1821 Thomas Hamilton
1822 - Margaret Douglas
1824 - Agnes
1827 Helen Scrimgeour
1830 - Thomas
Gadget
It is interesting that the Helen Scrimgeour comes up:
In 1841 Henry S Aitken is living at High Street, Falkirk and is described as a Writer - so the obit that you found is probably correct. His birth is circa 1811.
This might be him in the IGI:
HENRY AITKEN
Christening: 12 JAN 1806 Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Parents:
Father: THOMAS AITKEN Family
Mother: HELEN SCRIMGEOUR
Henry's wife's name is given as Isabella, also born c1811
:)
Children of Thomas and Helen Scrimgeour
Henry - 8 Jan 1806
Helen - 11 April 1807
Alexander - 25 Sept 1808
Could Thomas and Henry have been half brothers - Margaret Douglas having died and father Thomas marrying Helen later.
Gadget
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This list of children, Thomas Hamilton to Thomas were with parents William Aitken and Henrietta Petrie.
Helen Scrimgeour pops up all over the place. She was the daughter of William Aitken and she married Robert Stevenson, and they called their daughter Helen Scrimgeour Stevenson.
I think these Aitkens of Falkirk were all related at some stage, but to find the common thread is proving difficult. I think that the William Aitken and Henrietta Petrie line that we had going, is a cousin line to mine. It is a matter now, of me finding Thomas Aitken and Helen Scrimgeour marriage, as well as Thomas's parents to see where the link is.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi there,
Thomas Alexander Aitken born 1838 in Falkirk, shows on IGI as having parents Henry S Aitken and Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat. The obit indicates Thomas, son of H.S. Aitken, WS, and the 1841 census of Henry S Aitken he is living at High Street, Falkirk, described as a writer. It has got to be H S Aitken and not just H Aitken.
The parents of Henry being Thomas Aitken and Helen Scrimgeour I am not sure about, as their son is shown as plain Henry without the S.
Did any of you find the marriage date to Isabella who was born circa 1811?
Perhaps Isabella is one of two marriages, the other marriage being Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat?
ADDED: I FIND ELEANOR ELIZABETH MOWAT ALSO KNOWN AS ELEANOR ISABELLA MOWAT. ELEANOR AND HENRY S AITKEN HAD : MARGARET CHRS 26-5-1842, ELIZABETH CLARK CHR 5-7-1840 AND THOMAS B23 APR 1838 ALL IN FALKIRK.
Regards
Jackie
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Hi there,
Could sks please have a look for a death or burial for Henry S Aitken, husband of Eleanor Isabella/Elizabeth Mowat, and father to Thomas Alexander, Elizabeth Clark and Margaret Aitken?
He was born in about 1806 in Falkirk and was a Writer to the Signet, Edinburgh
Kind regards
Jackie
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There is a will showing for him dated 8th October 1860, Falkirk - Stirling Sheriffs Court. I would imagine that he died around that time.
You can check for his death on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I don't think that is him, because his wife's name was Eleanor Isabella and not Margaret Russell.
Regards
Jackie
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Strange that both are writer's to the signet.
As I said, why not have a go on the Scotlands people site.
Gadget
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hi gadget,
It costs too much for me to buy credits to view on scotlands people. the rand pound rate is so bad. i did no a search for henry aitken between 1855 and 1861, but it came up anyway as not found.
In 1861, Isabella is living as head of household with son Thomas and daughter Margaret. Perhaps Henry got remarried?????? to russell?
Regards
jackie
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Sorry Jackie but it costs for us to. I've used some of my credits looking for your family already. You've now decided that the previous family aren't the ones that you wanted so I'm not using anymore. Sorry.
Good Luck.
Gadget
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Henry was deceased by the time Thomas married in 1862.
Gadget
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hi gadget,
thanks for your help. much appreciated.
how do you know that henry was deceased by thomas's marriage?
regards
jackie
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Because it says so on the marriage certificate :)
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Also, I've just checked the 1861 image of Thomas and mother, Isabella, in Glasgow.
Isabella is listed as a widow so Henry was dead by then.
Have you got them on the 1851?
Gadget
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In 1851:
29 Gallogate St, Glassgow
644/1 ED 291/1 page 9
Isabella Aitken, 35, widow, Tavern keeper, b. Berwick on Tweed
Thomas, 11, scholar, b. Falkirk
Margt, 7, scholar, b. Falkirk
Thomas Gently(?), lodger, 27, saddler - journeyman, b. Falkirk
So Henry had been dead before official registration.
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Jackie
There's something very strange about the 1841 entry for Thomas Aitken, b. 1838 Falkirk - residing Dorator House, Falkirk:
I'm going to have to get the image up but it looks like his father was Thomas ::)
Gadget
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hi there,
please don't tell me the father was thomas:(
from igi i found that henry and eleanor isabella/elizabeth mowat had three children, and the other daughter elizabeth seems to be missing. she must have died young.
regards
jackie
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On the 1841, we have:
High Street, Falkirk
Henry Aitken, 30-34, Writer, b. Scotland
Isabella, 30-34, b. Scotland
Eleanor, 14, b. Scotland
Helen, 5, b. Stirlingshire
Elisabeth, 11 months, b. Stirlingshire
Dorator House, Falkirk
Thomas Aitken, 45 -49, Writer , b. Stirlingshire
Elizabeth, 40-44, b. England
Elizabeth, 20-24, b. Stirlingshire
Margaret, 15-19, b. Stirlingshire
John, 10, b. Stirlingshire
George, 3, b. Stirlingshire
Thomas, 3, b. Stirlingshire
Isabella MacAllan (?) , b. Stirlingshire
I think further investigations of the births are needed!
Gadget
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On IGI:
Thomas Alexander Aitken born 1838 in Falkirk to parents
Henry S Aitken and Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat (sometimes written Eleanor Isabella Mowat)
On IGI:
Children of Henry S Aitken and Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat shown as
Thomas Alexander Aitken B23-4-1838 Falkirk, chris 8-11-1838 Falkirk
Elizabeth Clark Aitken chrs 5-7-1840 Falkirk
Margaret Aitken Chris 26-5-1842 Falkirk
I am more inclined to go with the High Street 1841 census. Even though it does not show Thomas Alexander, not sure where he could be though.
Incidentally, the name Alexander is carried through the generations, even right up to the existing living Aitken - just a bit more of information:)
Regards
Jackie
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Well, we come back to the fact that Henry died between 1841 and 1851, so there are no easily available burial/death records. At some stage before 1851 Isabella moved to Glasgow and became a tavern keeper.
I can find no trace of any other Thomas that fits on the 1841 but the one with Thomas and Elizabeth.
Gadget
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thanks gadget,
it is so frustrating.
regards
jackie
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hello to all,
the thread is getting too long to troll through it all so forgive me if someone has already offered this information.
William Aitken married to Henrietta Petrie was christened 1791 in Falkirk. His parents are Thomas Aitken & Margaret Douglas.
Dano
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Hi dano :)
That is buried on one of the other threads - it's actually 1792. The 1791 one was an IGI patron submission. The 1792 one is the extracted entry and checks out with the entry on SP.
Gadget
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MI time again!
There's a rather impressive stone in Camelon (Falkirk) Cemetery which names loads of Aitkens and I think it might identify the Henry Aitken, Writer to the Signet. Unfortunately there's not a lot said about relationships on the inscription but if just one or two could be identified . . . . . ?
This family were obviously very well off - I know at least one of the houses mentioned (Glenbervie) was more of a country estate rather than a 'wee hoose'. Glenbervie has recently been bought over and is now a posh hotel. (See: http://www.glenberviehousehotel.com )
I don't know about Dorrator House. I imagine it would be in the region of Dorrator Road which is in the Camelon district of Falkirk and right beside the cemetery.
As coonwarra said in an earlier post, Aitken is a very common name around Camelon/Falkirk and they all seemed to use the same names time after time for their children.
Anyway, the following is the inscription of the stone I keep blethering on about:
"Front of Stone, 2 Left Panels
JOHN AITKEN, L.L.D., F.R.S., born 18th September 1839
Died at Ardenlea, Falkirk 13th November 1919
ROBERT AITKEN, born 4th December 1840
Died at Rosemount, Colmonnel, Ayrshire 4th May 1907
Front of Stone, 2 Right Panels
WALTER AITKEN, Major in the 42nd Regiment “The Black Watch”
Born 10th April 1842, killed at the Battle of Tamai, (Tamanieh) Egyptian Sudan, 13th March 1884
JESSIE AITKEN of Glenbervie, Larbert, daughter of Henry Aitken, Writer, Falkirk
Born 4th September 1843 died at Glenbervie 29th October 1923
Back of Stone, 2 Left Panels
ROBERT WALKER AITKEN son of James Aitken, Writer, Falkirk
Born 13th February 1811 died at Edinburgh 22nd February 1872
RUSSELL AITKEN, Civil Engineer, Bombay and London
Born 23rd July 1837 died at London 8th April 1915
Back of Stone, 2 Right Panels
JAMES AITKEN, Writer of Darroch and Glenbervie, eldest son of Henry Aitken, Writer, Falkirk
Born 26th November 1834 died at Darroch 17th December 1911
HENRY AITKEN, Coalmaster, Falkirk born 4th July 1838
Died at Darroch 21st November 1903"
I hope this doesn't throw a spanner in the works!! ::)
Anne
P.S. Don't be put off by the mention of all the different areas, e.g. Camelon, Larbert etc., they're all only five minutes from each other except Colmonnel!
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One things bothers me, Ann (well more than one really), if they were well off, why was Isabella down as a Tavern keeper in Govan on the 1851? And - there's no mention of Thomas ,son of Henry on the inscriptions at all - often, even if they died elsewhere, there is some reference :-\
Gadget
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I agree Gadget.
I think there's more than one family here and somewhere along the line, they've all got mixed up. I doubt too, that Isabella would go from being the lady of a country estate to a humble tavern keeper.
Did you have a look at Glenbervie?
I had a wee look at the 1881 Cencus and the last two men on the inscription are still at 'Darroch'
James AITKEN, Head, Unmarried, age 46, Solicitor (Writer), born Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Henry AITKEN, Brother, Unmarried, age 42, Coal Master, born Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
I think it might be a case of back to the drawing board ::)
Anne
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Hi All
Just been catching up with this post following on from the other thread in the search for parents to Thomas Alexander.
Ann, we do have two separate Stirlingshire families headed up by Henry Aitkens, both writers. As already covered, Henry, from Darroch, married to Margaret Russell, father James and mother Janet who died in 1860 and whose will/testament is showing on SP. The children that you show on the MI show on the early censuses. Wife Margaret Russell shows a good 16 yrs younger than husband.
Then we have Henry Scrimegour A. and Isabella/Eleanor who were the parents to Thomas (Alexander) Aitken as showing on Thomas A's 1862 MC to Jane.
With no death cert (or will/testament) for Henry S. Aitken, will be hard to determine his parentage.
Monica :)
Jackie, as I mentioned in my original posts when you were looking for the Thomas Alexander who left for SA, it is vital to verify at least the key info from certs otherwise it is easy, as can be seen from this research, to deviate off the line ;)
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Apologies if this has already been included in this thread - this looks a strong contender for Henry S's birth or christening (can't tell from the SP index which). To parents Thomas A. and Helen Scrimgeour:
1806 - Henry
1807 - Helen
1808 - Alexander
Monica
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Thomas and Helen married on 06 JUN 1801 at the Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. From the OPRs (as showing on IGI), Helen's father is showing as HENRY SCRIMGEOUR.
There might be some further detail on the OPR entry regarding the bride and groom.
Monica
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Hi All
Jackie, as I mentioned in my original posts when you were looking for the Thomas Alexander who left for SA, it is vital to verify at least the key info from certs otherwise it is easy, as can be seen from this research, to deviate off the line ;)
Hi Monica
i've been saying this for quite a while now but each time i come on the people seem to have changed.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303696.msg1856087.html#msg1856087
i'm very doubtful about the correct line on this one. I'd like more info on the Thomas who went to SA. I think we're all repeating stuff and going around in circles.
Jackie, as Ann said, I think it's back to the drawing board and start with what you really know and can verify - chasing Aitkens all around the Kingdom isn't helping anyone.
Gadget
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hi gadget,
This is what i have at present:
1.Thomas Aitken marr Margaret Douglas
2.William Aitken B1792 Falkirk D bet 1841 and 1851 marr 1820 to Henrietta Petrie (siblings James, Thomas, Margaret and Ann)
3.Thomas Alexander Aitken B1830 Falkirk D6-6-1893 Partick marr 1862 to Jane Sutherland Murray (Siblings Thomas Hamilton, Margaret Douglas, Agnes, Helen Scrimgeour)
4.Thomas Alexander Aitken B8-4-1863 Tradeston D4-9-1937 South Africa (have his death
certificate) (He also married a lady by the name of Harriet, but unsure whether she was from
South Africa or Scotland or elsewhere) (siblings Henry John Murray, Annie Sutherland, Charles Bruce, Eleanor Isabella, Mary Ann, James McIntyre, George E, William S, Jane, Margaret)
5.Phillip Alexander Sutherland Aitken B1893 South Africa D1984 South Africa (siblings Charles,
Sybil and Winifred) marr Muriel Ivy Duncan
6.Living Aitken
I only have LDS site to work from, so it has been quite difficult. I find Scotland is hard to find information, as with my English lines, I use freebmd quite a bit.
The rand/pound rate makes things difficult as well:)
Regards
Jackie
I think this is the link that we need to explore first. Do we have proof that this Thomas is the one who married Harriet in South Africa. A marriage cert or some kind of record is necessary, I think. it might give info on his parents.
Gadget
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Hi guys,
Phew, you have all been so busy on my behalf, and for that i thank you.
I will go back to step one and see what i can find out.
regards
jackie
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Jackie
First thing that might help - what does it give on his death cert (4 Sept 1937) - age, parents, wife, etc.?
Gadget
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hi there,
family are still saying there is that connection to Lord Beaverbrook. He was William Maxwell Aitken born 1879 to father Rev William Cuthbert Aitken.
When i look again at death notice, it gives his age as 76 years, which would make him born about 1861. He was definitely Thomas Alexander Aitken. His wife was shown as "Harriet". No date for marriage or place indicated - just blank. occupation was commercial bookkeeper. He was widowed when he died, Harriet having died in 1903. The matron of the hospital signed his death notice.
I went to look at IGI and found 5 Thomas Aitkens, none of them have Alexander in them.
I tried to find more information on the Beaverbrook side, perhaps giving me a clue as to where Thomas was born, which would make the one born in Lanark as a possibility. Again, no proof. No family papers available, lost years ago:(
I had a look at the children of Thomas Alexander (Sybil, Charles, Winifred and Phillip) to see if there was perhaps a naming tradition applicable, but so far nothing.
Regards
Jackie
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so Philip, b. 1893, was the youngest child? What was the date of birth of the eldest?
I'm trying to get a fix on an approx marriage date so that we'll know when he definitely wasn't in Scotland.
Gadget
PS - Alexander might not have been entered at the time of birth reg- it could have been given later.
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i am not sure if he was the youngest, but it is the only date i have:(
i will have to phone the granny again, but memory is not as it used to be.
regards
jackie
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hi everyone, ive just found this thread,
very interesting, im gonna link it to my one, seems i might be looking for the same family, Thomas Alexander Aitken,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370343.0.html