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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: anniej on Thursday 08 May 08 23:33 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information on an orphanage attached to the Bryant and May Factory in Liverpool. An elderly gentleman I know was told by his father that he and his sisters were sent to work there when their parents died. I have found his father age 8 living with his sisters and parents in Widnes on c1881 but cannot find any trace of the family in 1891. I have checked the list of Liverpool orphanages and other sources and cannot find any reference to it. Can anyone help?
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Not without knowing their names, ages and birthplace(s).
Pauline
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well i lived in 24c speke road gardens,Garston.....right opposite( the "matchworks")...bryant and may...i never knew there was an orphanage there...but my dads schoolmate aged 82 is still alive and he worked there all his life..51 years...my wife sees him regulary...i`ll find out as much as i can...the matchworks/bryant and may is still there,now divided into many different units....fascinated by this one...be back with answers..Garston...if i can`t find the answers ,who can???....allan(garstonite)
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http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/Information/orphanages.htm
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hi hepburn...the list of orphanages you`ve posted do not include anything within 10 miles of garston/bryant and may....i`m a little puzzled as to why you posted this...am i missing something here??....allan
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Simple...Liverpool ,orphanage= above link ;D
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i`m sorry,but i still can`t find any link with Bryant and May in Garston....the nearest orphanage to Bryant and May in Garston would be the Prince Edwin st orphanage and thats about 10 miles away...Garston didn`t become part of Liverpool until 1926...there`s some children in the orphanages from Garston Lancashire...thats how it was known ...allan
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i`m sorry,but i still can`t find any link with Bryant and May in Garston....the nearest orphanage to Bryant and May in Garston would be the Prince Edwin st orphanage and thats about 10 miles away...Garston didn`t become part of Liverpool until 1926...there`s some children in the orphanages from Garston Lancashire...thats how it was known ...allan
Allan, you do really need to get out of Garston more you know ;D
I agree with Allan here though the nearset being the place from the Dingle area North hill street.
Which is still a good 5 miles along the river towards the City.
Maybe this palce was affiliated to Bryant and may
Rather than attached.
Possible it could have been under the bridge somewhere
Or possible its part of the school behind the B&M along the walk way by the gas works.
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Interesting to see you Garstonites are having as much difficulty as I was researching this story. I was sure that if a big company like B&M had an orphanage it would be recorded somewhere. I didn't expect to find the children in the orphanage in 1891 as they would probably be too old. What was also puzzling was that the family originally from Flint but living in Widnes 1881 would have been sent to Liverpool when orphaned and sent to work in the match factory.
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Interesting to see you Garstonites are having as much difficulty as I was researching this story. I was sure that if a big company like B&M had an orphanage it would be recorded somewhere. I didn't expect to find the children in the orphanage in 1891 as they would probably be too old. What was also puzzling was that the family originally from Flint but living in Widnes 1881 would have been sent to Liverpool when orphaned and sent to work in the match factory.
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Anniej
Is it definitely Widnes they are living in.
My Grandparents were married from Stanley street in Garston in 1911.
On looking at some records they have Garston down as a sub district of Widnes ???
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Interesting to see you Garstonites are having as much difficulty as I was researching this story. I was sure that if a big company like B&M had an orphanage it would be recorded somewhere. I didn't expect to find the children in the orphanage in 1891 as they would probably be too old. What was also puzzling was that the family originally from Flint but living in Widnes 1881 would have been sent to Liverpool when orphaned and sent to work in the match factory.
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Are you going to furnish us with some names then Anniej
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you`re right heysie...north hill st in the dingle is about 6-7 miles away...the school down the "cinder path" was and still is Holy Trinity....i only know Garston as Garston,Lancs,and then in 1926 Garston,Liverpool...allan
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you`re right heysie...north hill st in the dingle is about 6-7 miles away...the school down the "cinder path" was and still is Holy Trinity....i only know Garston as Garston,Lancs,and then in 1926 Garston,Liverpool...allan
Allan, We are both wrong
It is actualy 4 miles from Vineyard street to North hilly.
Nether the less, Its still a bit far.
has your missus not bumped into the old chap yet.
There used to be a orphanage on Aigburth road.
just after the garage and Grassendale road.
Its a housing estate now.
But that is still a good 2 miles up the road wouldn't you say.
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Garston Historical Society
– Tel: 427 2544
Meets on the first Friday of the month at Island Rd Methodist Church
Aniej
These people may have an answer for you
This was an old post I came across.
So they may no longer meet
But Allan may have a better idea than me about them.
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http://www.catalystmedia.org.uk/issues/nerve9/garston_riots.php
Sorry Anniej
Nothing to do with your query
But I thogought Allan may liek to see this
And anyone following this Garston post for that matter
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THANKS FOR THAT HEYESIE....funny article as well as historic.....allan :)
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Did you read one of the statements Allan
They say the Loyalist strike breakers
Do you think they meant the Orange order
On the leaflet there is a band named the Orange and green
I took this as meant to be a mixed Paddy orange band
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i took it to be the lodge band........the bobbin works was mainly protestant...the copper works was mainly catholic....allan
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i took it to be the lodge band........the bobbin works was mainly protestant...the copper works was mainly catholic....allan
Good to know thanks
I wonder if my Granddad was in that band
They lived in Stanley st for a while
Before moving up to the Dingle
They married in St Mikes the lodge church
And my Dad was a member of the Garston lodge for years
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all my family were members...there`s a good chance i might know your dad.....my surname is oakes...anyone in garston lodge will know the family....allan
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all my family were members...there`s a good chance i might know your dad.....my surname is oakes...anyone in garston lodge will know the family....allan
He died many years ago Allan
As you know the band was a girl band
But the men walked at the back and did not wear uniform
My Dad played the accordion
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The address on c1881 is 85 Midwood St, Widnes with father working in a soap factory. Looking at the map looks near to Morrisons is in Widnes so definately not Garston end. Children are Thomas (10), Alice (14), Frances (7) and Mary J (3) Coleman. We did find Alice in c1891 working in service in Manchester.
It was really the story of the orphanage and B&M I was trying to find information on.
:)
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The better half worked at B & M in the fifties and remembers an orphanage being mentioned ,,,, still trying to jog her memory .
Al