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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Jessy on Thursday 08 May 08 19:21 BST (UK)
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My great grandfather was 1846. All Saints Tynemouth, Northumberland and died in 1928. I am wanting to apply for a birth certificate but have applied to North Shields and Newcastle but they both say they cannot find him. He did exist!!!!!! Can anyone out there find himn please??? Thanks Jessie
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Hiya Jessy
As you say Anthony isnt listed but looking at the 1851 census his parents were both born Cumberland. On FreeBMD there is an Anthony Sowerby b 2/4 East Ward (Cumbria) ref 25 477 - perhaps he was registered there for some reason?
Also on the IGI is the marriage of William Sowerby to Ann Law 16.1.1825 Cumwhitton Cumberland
Willow x
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Thanks Willow, Hes a mystery. Im quite sure that isnt him but interesting about the possible parents I will have to investigate further. I found him on the 1891 census where he is mentioned as 5 years old - all saints tynemouth northumberland but I wonder if that was just his baptism???? mmmmmm Back to the drawing board. Thanks again Jess
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Hi both :)
This looks like the one registered in 1847 in East Ward district :-\
ANTHONY SOWERBY
Christening 13 JUN 1847 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland
Mother ANNE SOWERBY
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Hiya Jessy
Looking at the 1851 census Margaret is also listed as b Northumberland but there isnt a listing on FreeBMD for a Margaret in Tynemouth but there is 1839 3/4 East Ward 25 402
Maybe Ann had a habit of going home to have her chikdren
Willow x
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OK gone brain dead
His mother is called Mary not Ann - DOUH!
But on the 1841 census they are are in Bongate East Ward Westmoreland - and Margaret is listed so to confirm Marys maiden name it might be worth ordering her certificate
Strangely the older children aren't listed but Thomas was baptised 9.4.1826 Renwick, Cumberland
And it was Mary Law not Ann as I stated earlier
Willow x
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Ye ???s I see what you mean????? I need to find out if he had any siblings to make sure this is the correct family. Need to investigate and and come back to chatters. Thanks very much Jess
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Hiya Jessy
Baptisms Renwick, Cumberland parents Anthony and Mary
Sarah 23.10.1831
John 2.8.1829
William 2.8.1829
Thomas 9.4.1826
Willow x
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Jessy,
Where did you get " All Saints Tynemouth " from ?
All Saints Parish was one of the four ancient parishes of Newcastle.
Tynemouth Parish was Christ Church
His birth place on censuses is mostly Newcastle. Some early census enumerators recorded "parish of birth" rather than " place of birth" !
Michael Dixon
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Thanks Michael, The census printout said All Saints, Tynemouth, Longbenton and I know they are two totally differnet areas. All very confusing. Im sure he is not the guy from Cumberland but I dont know where his details can be found. Thanks for info. Jess
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Jessy,
All Saints-Tynemouth-Longbenton... are THREE different places... although All Saints and Longbenton were neighbouring parishes, the former within Newcastle, the latter outside of Newcastle.
I hope this is not me teaching grannie to suck eggs, but I think you need to identify all the characteristics of your great grandfather and focus on these.
Is the Sowerby family living in Walker, Parish of Longbenton, on Census 1851
(page ref 2411-85-12) "yours" ?
Michael Dixon
Newcastle
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Hiya Michael
Yes thats the family
Jessy I cant see why you are discounting this Anthony from Cumberland. I know it says on the census he was born Northumberland but the census is only as good as the information the enumerator is told
In 1851 we have (so we all know what we are talking about)
Anthony Sowerby 51 M head b Carlisle Cumberland chemical labourer
Mary Sowerby 46 b M wife b Long Town Cumberland
Thomas Sowerby 25 son U b Carlisle Cumberland iron works labourer
William Sowerby 23 son U b Carslisle Cumberland pudler
Jane Sowerby 14 dau b All Saints Northumberland
Margaret Sowerby 11 dau b All Saints Northumberland
Elizabeth Sowerby 8 dau b All Saints Northumberland
Anthony Sowerby 5 son b All Saints Northumberland
Thomas Gillespie 21 nephew U b Scotland puddler
William Trotter 37 lodger U b Seaton ?? Northumberland puddler
HO107/2411 Folio 85 Page 12
Willow x
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Hi Willow,
William Trotter, the lodger gave his birth place as Seaton Sluice
(which at that time lay within Hartley, one of the eight "townships" of the Parish of Earsdon)
The name "Sluice" was added after Lord Delaval added an additional exit to the sea for the Seaton Burn, to make the harbour safer ( to safeguard the exports of the products from his glassworks)
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Can anyone see this Sowerby family on Census 1841 ?
Michael Dixon
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Hiya Michael
Only one I can find that is close is in Bongate Westmorland
Anthony Sowerby 36 ag lab Y
Mary Sowerby 40 Y
Margarett Sowerby 11 Y
HO107/1156 Book 7
Only problems with this one is where are the rest of the kids and Margarets age is out by 10 years
Willow x
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How about this one? :)
1841
HO107/820/2 45 23
All Saints, Northumberland
West House
Anthony Sowerby, 35, (can't read occupation)
Mary, 35, yes (born in county)
Thomas, 15, Lab (something), yes
William, 14, *** Lab, yes
John, 12, ditto, yes
Sarah, 10, yes
Mary Ann, 9
Francis, 6, yes
Jane, 4, yes
Margaret, 2, yes
I hope someone can decipher their occupations!
:)
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Have found the following though in Union Street St Cuthbert Carlisle
Sarah Law 63 N
Ann Law 25 Y
John Law 3 Y
and next door
Jane Gillespie 32 b Scotland
Elizabeth Gillespie 14 b Scotland
Thomas Gillespie 12 b Scotland
HO107/175/6
Willow x
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Why the hell couldnt I get that one to come up Tati?
Willow x
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Sinsky!! :o :o ;D
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LOL
No wonder it didnt come up on a search!
Willow x
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Tati,
You did very well to find the Sowerbys on Census 1841.
Ancestry has transcribed and indexed the family as SINSKY.
Anyway it is the right family... on C1871 Anthony junior gives his birth place as "West House(s)"
This was part of Byker, All Saints Parish, Newcastle.
The men of the familywere working in the chemical industry hygiene products etc.... Alkali labourers.
Michael Dixon
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Hi friends, I must apologise for not getting back my BT land line went down Friday morning and has just been mended today. Sorry Willow I see what you ment about Anthonys parents coming from Cumbria - once I saw your 1851 census I realized you were right. Is there any page numbers for his birth cert so that I can try and order it again???? There must be a record of it somewhere, Thanks again to the three of you for your help and sorry about not being able to respond to your posts until now. Jess
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Hiya Jessy
Glad you managed to get back online I know I feel like someones cut off my right arm when mine doesn't work
Yes it June 1/4 1847 vol 25 page 477 East Ward
If you order it from the GRO you can ask if they will check the parents names before they send it which will only cost you £3 if its the wrong one
Only thing I can think is that Mary went home to her mother to have the children thats why they are registered there - but why they are listed as being b Northumberland I dont know
If it is the right certificate I'm betting the Sarah Law I mentioned is her mother
Willow x
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Thank you Willow I promise I will let you know how I get on. Thanks again,
Jessy
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No probs
Hope its the right one
Willow x