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Title: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: downunder milt on Thursday 08 May 08 11:04 BST (UK)
My maternal g grandparents GEORGE and ELIZABETH HYDES and their family emigrated to New Zealand in 1877.
I am trying to get confirmation that their parents were JOHN HYDES b 1822 who married SABINA JOLLANDS .  The 1851 census records list the children of this couple as:
                    Ellen    age 8
                    Henry   age6
                    George age4
                    Frederick age 3
                    Elizabeth age 7 mo
Therefore from age records the child George  possibly correlates with my forbear - born 1847.
 
Any further info or links to these families would be greatly appreciated f ;)rom NZ.
Cheers
Milt.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: GeoffE on Thursday 08 May 08 11:40 BST (UK)
The birthplace of George (4 in 1851, 14 in 1861, 24 in 1871) was given as Hull, Yorks in all three censuses.  There seems to be no other candidate.

The possible marriage

Marriages Dec 1866
DAVIS    Elizabeth         Auckland    10a   230    
HYDES    George         Auckland    10a   230

seems to be consistent with residence in Evenwood in 1871.  It would show fathers' names.

In case you don't have the other marriage
19 Dec 1842 at Burgh le Marsh
John HYDES (son of John) to Sabina JOLLANDS (dau of Edward)

I think the birth registration was
Sept 1846
HYDE George, Hull 22 453 - that would show parent's names.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Tati on Thursday 08 May 08 11:43 BST (UK)
Hi both,

Just to say the youngest child in 1851 is called Eli and is a boy  :)
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: GeoffE on Thursday 08 May 08 11:45 BST (UK)
Hi both,

Just to say the youngest child in 1851 is called Eli and is a boy  :)

Well spotted Tati ... another holiday today?
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Tati on Thursday 08 May 08 11:46 BST (UK)
... another holiday today?

Oui  8)
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: downunder milt on Monday 12 May 08 11:29 BST (UK)
Hi Geoff and Tati
                           Many thanks for the marriage and birth indices giving me sufficient confidence to now chase up appropriate certificates.From 12000 miles away in New Zealand I like to be fairly certain I am on the right track before ordering.
 
 Again in appreciation,
 Milt.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Ozdot on Wednesday 14 May 08 15:42 BST (UK)
Hi.  As Jolland is such an uncommon name I thought I would tell you that I have an Anthony Jolland, age 79, born Keadby, Lincs on 1881 census as a lodger with our great grandfather Levi Dawson in Castlegate, Grantham.
I don't know if this is of any interest to you but he could be somewhere on your tree.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: downunder milt on Monday 19 May 08 10:07 BST (UK)
Hi Ozdot,
                I agree Jollands is an unusual name so your find of Anthony Jollands ,especially with his birthplace listed in Lincolnshire, could be of significance to me.
               Thank you for bringing this to my attention.I will pursue it further

 milt.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: linclinks on Thursday 22 May 08 22:47 BST (UK)
I have a sprinkling of Jollands in my database at http://www.linclinks.co.uk

Regards

Jacky
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Sunday 25 May 08 18:04 BST (UK)
John Hides/Hydes was baptised at St Nicholas Church Addlethorpe 3rd April 1822. He was the son of John Hides/Hydes and Ann Faulkinder.

He was the brother of my 2xgrt Grandad Faulkinder Hides/Hydes who was baptised 19.03.1820 in the same place.

Sabina was buried at St Nicholas Addlethorpe 25.03.1863.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: downunder milt on Tuesday 27 May 08 10:33 BST (UK)
To Jacky and An65
                              My grateful thanks from afar for the info given.
Jacky-I have not yet had time to explore your Jollands database but hopefully my knowledge will be extended after I do so.
An65 -its great to have specific dates,towns/villages and churches and the Hydes/Anne Faulkinder marriage now gets me to my maternal ggg grandparent stage of my tree.

It leaves me very humble that people like you so willingly share info that has possibly taken much time and perhaps cost to get initially.
Again thanks

Milt.

   
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Tuesday 27 May 08 12:51 BST (UK)
Sharing is all part of the fun  ;D

Regarding Ann Falkinder - her father was John Falkender and her mother Elizabeth Evison and they were married 17.05.1781 Candlesby.

Ann had a sister Mary, c.06.01.1800 Welton Le Marsh, and Ann herself was baptised 22.03.1795 at Welton Le Marsh. To date, this is about all the information I have managed to find on the Falkinder/Falkender family.

Ann was buried at St Nicholas Addlethorpe 10.01.1878 - there is no gravestone for either her or John Hydes.

So, onto the Hides/Hydes family! (for similicity I shall only use one variation)

Did you know, that in Addlethorpe, there is a Hides's Lane? oh yes, and whats more its almost certainly named after this family as they all seemed to live in the vicinity of this one country lane....

Well the farthest back I have managed to go is Robert Hides who married Esther Scott 15.05.1750 at Mavis Enderby. I believe they are the parents of John Hides b.1756 West Keal.

This John Hides was buried at Addlethorpe 01.04.1819 and he married Martha Brocklesby (b.cira 1762) and buried 10.06.1848 Addlethorpe. Their marriage took place in 1790 at Skendleby.

John and Martha had the following children:

John Hides c.16.01.1791 Hagnaby, married Ann Falkinder 14.05.1816 Thorpe St Peter. He was buried at Addlethorpe 03.07.1872.
Elizabeth Hides c.16.12.1792 Hagnaby married James Johnson 21.06.1816 at Addlethorpe
William Hides c.17.05.1795 Hagnaby married Elizabeth Atkinson in 1820 at Thorpe St Peter
Thomas Hides b.1798 East Kirkby, who married Mary Shaw, in 1824 at THorpe St Peter
Robert Hides b.1801 Great Steeping, who Married Betsey Sleight 11.08.1823 at Wrangle.
Edward Hides b.1803 Great Steeping
Joseph Hides c.12.06.1808 Addlethorpe d.12.11.1886 Addlethorpe, married Ann Davidson 14.10.1828 at St Marys, Winthorpe.


John Hides and Ann Falkinder had:

Robert Hides c.03.08.1817 Ingoldmells, d.30.03.1852 Skegness buried Addlethorpe He married Mary Mills and after his death she married a Mr Dowse. She is died 11.10.1905 This pair have a gravestone.

Mary Ann Hides apparently a few years old by baptism, c.27.10.1826 Addlthorpe and died young.

Faulkinder Hides c.19.03.1820 Addlethorpe d.19.05.1894 Hundleby Workhouse. buried at Addlethorpe 22.05.1894. Married Eliza Merrill b.4.4.1823 Winthorpe d.21.05.1888 Addlethorpe they were married 27.05.1845 at Addlethorpe and are my 2xgt Grandparents.

John Hides c.03.04.1822 Addlethorpe married Sabina Jollands
George Hides c.04.08.1824 Addlethorpe
William Hides c.20.09.1829 Addlethorpe d.1904 Addlethorpe
Mary Ann Hides c.25.09.1831 Addlethorpe married Mason Keal 1866 Spilsby.
Jane Hides c.09.06.1833 Addlethorpe
Elizabeth c.23.08.1835 Addlethorpe
 
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Tuesday 27 May 08 13:03 BST (UK)
Just in case you were interested:

Faulkinder Hides and Eliza Merrill lived in Addlethorpe and had:

Charles b.1846 married Maria Wright
Eliza b.1847 married George Hanson
Foster b.1848 married Sarah Ann Reed
Maria b.1851 married Thomas Larder White
Jane b.1852
Susannah b.1854 married Walter Epton
Sarah b.1856 married Eardley Epton (brother of Walter)
George b.1858
Thomas Henry b.1862

Oh and I almost forgot - Ellen that you have on the census, she was Ellen Jollands/Hides  b.cir 1842 Burgh, and married Joseph Good 14.10.1864 St Margarets church Huttoft.

Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Brendon S on Wednesday 28 May 08 09:02 BST (UK)
Don't order any certificates until you speak to me, I am in the same family and have some certificates and other details.
I have posted a personal message with more contact details.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Wednesday 28 May 08 09:23 BST (UK)
This is getting to be a regular family reunion.

Hello Cousins :)

Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: ces_s on Tuesday 23 November 10 02:43 GMT (UK)
This is getting to be a regular family reunion.

Hello Cousins :)



I'm also from jollands blood - as my great grandfather was james john jollands; born in (i think) snarford, lincolnshire. i would love to find out more about him.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Wednesday 24 November 10 19:55 GMT (UK)
not a Jollands - but am a Hides/Hydes descendant.

For sure some of this fam went to New Zealand.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Anniebc44 on Saturday 29 April 23 13:02 BST (UK)
Hi. I am from The Hyde’s side. Faulkner Hydes 3 rd great grandfather.
I have it a brick wall on the name of my grandfather. Father born out of wedlock to Violet Hydes in St Monica’s, Belle Vue, Bradford. Father not named on Birth Certificate.
Does anyone have records from St Monica’s 1930’s?
Thank you
A Hydes
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Saturday 29 April 23 13:24 BST (UK)
Afraid not.
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Anniebc44 on Saturday 29 April 23 15:53 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Anniebc44 on Tuesday 18 July 23 09:29 BST (UK)
Hi. I am from The Hyde’s side. Faulkner Hydes 3 rd great grandfather.
I have it a brick wall on the name of my grandfather. Father born out of wedlock to Violet Hydes in St Monica’s, Belle Vue, Bradford. Father not named on Birth Certificate.
Does anyone have records from St Monica’s 1930’s?
Thank you
A Hydes

I now know my Grandfather was named Jack Martin!
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Tuesday 18 July 23 19:32 BST (UK)
Was violets dad Arthur Reed hides/Hydeswho married Emma Elizth Debenhams?
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Anniebc44 on Tuesday 18 July 23 20:45 BST (UK)
Yes. You are correct
Thank you
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: An65 on Wednesday 19 July 23 06:18 BST (UK)
Know how you fit in the tree now  :)
Title: Re: HYDES /JOLLANDS c1840s
Post by: Anniebc44 on Wednesday 19 July 23 13:21 BST (UK)
Unfortunately not. Violet’s grandson is my husband and it is his father’s father I am trying to research,  born out of wedlock to Violet Hydes and ?Jack Martin.
Do you need any assistance with your tree?
Annie