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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: seahall on Saturday 03 May 08 23:51 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Thank you to all who have been assisting me with the queries that are arising from
Guilsborough Churchyard, Northamptonshire.
I have found another stone with a William H Hill died in Australia on June 1 1892 aged
52 years.
Any help in finding out when he left England and his relatives in Australia would be appreciated. :)
Sandy
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I'm giving it a go, Sandy, but this is a real needle in a haystack.....so many William Hills...... :-\
......dee
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This is what I have managed to find.....
In NSW there are the deaths of 10 x William HILL (no second initial) between 1890 and 1894. Only 1 is listed as William H. and he died in 1891, parents unknown, District given as MARINE
Ref =16346
There were 3 or 4 more entries but they were for William J or William C etc.
As dates are not given, only year, that makes it difficult with the others.
No deaths of a William Hill that is possible between 1890 and 1894 in Queensland.
Ditto for Western Australia.
Can’t see a likely one on the Tasmanian Colonial database......I don't have the actual index itself.
Next South Australia…….
......dee
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In South Australia there are the deaths of the following William HILLS between 1890 and 1894…..
William HILL aged 57 of Gawler South died 18th Mar 1892Ref = PtG 201/235
William HILL aged 60 of Tarcowie died 16th Jul 1892 at Hd of Pekina
Ref = Fro S 203/412
William HILL aged 61 of Mile End died 1st June 1891 at West Park Lands
Ref = Ade 194/14
No relatives listed for any of them, so that doesn’t help……
And Northern Territory records I have no access to..... :-\
......dee
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Hi dee,
If he died at sea [is that what MARINE means in this context??] you would think it might be mentioned on the stone. It says died in Astralia on the stone.
The stone would be more in the nature of a memorial to him.
Sue
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Sue, I imagine MARINE means died at sea.......but am not sure.
I really can't identify one to be the William H Hill that Sandy is looking for. :-\
.....dee
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For what it is worth,
IGI has only one William Hill with a second intial H. born in Northampton.
William Henry Hill.
Christened 22/4/1837 Rothwell Northampton
Father Benjamin
Mother Sarah Anne.
Batch NO. 1007483 Type. film
Sue
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Morning Dee
Thank you so much for the information regarding William H Hill.
I am afraid that I am not being notified of replies yet again so did not see the
answers till now. :)
Will look through and see if I can link him.
Sandy
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OKay I have found William backwards through the censuses and he was born in
Mereworth Kent so not I am afraid the one that Sue mentions (Thank you for your listing :))
At the time of the 1881 Census he was a Coachman in Guilsborough and
previously in 1871 at Mereworth as a Gentleman's Coachman.
His wife was named Ruth (From Dorset) who he married in the Mar Qtr of 1864.
The stone covered the inscription to Ruth so do not know when she died but she is
noted with William.
Sandy
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As he was in England upto 1881 is there anyway of finding out when he went
to Australia.?
Sandy
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The year of 1892 is a problem. No William Hill died in Queensland, Western Australia, Victoria or NSW for 1892.
In South Australia there were the ones I listed.
If we knew William's parents, that may have helped, as the indexes for NSW, Queensland, and Victoria often.....but not always.....give parents' names.
I have checked another disc I have, called the Biographical Index of South Australians. (BISA)Sometimes the information in it gives the place of birth or the ship on which they arrived and when.......none of the William Hills I listed for South Australia could be theone you are looking for.
The William who died 1st June 1891 I have found in BISA......and his wife was Dina and he arrived by 1868...... :-\
.......dee
P.S. There are some indexes.....but nothing comprehensive and unless after 1890 when FindMyPast has the passenger lists, it is hit and miss unless you scan fiche at libraries that have them.......
Often passengers were simply listed W Hill or even Mr Hill.
Sometimes death certificates give how long in Australia.....but that is only as accurate as the person giving the information knows.......
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Thank you Dee for your continued information. :)
William's parents were George and Maria.
William could only have been over in the 11 years between the census and his death.
I can not find Ruth or Children after 1881 although there is a possible Alice as a servant.
Thanks again.
Sandy
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Sandy, I have rechecked death indexes using the parents names, but no joy......
I have rechecked BISA...no joy again.....
How old was Ruth in 1881? Is there a possibility they could have had a child in Australia?
I'll try checking what indexes I can for that time period tomorrow....but they are extremely limited. Eyes are now too tired, so I am off to bed...... :D
......dee
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Hi Dee
Hope you had a good night's sleep. :)
Ruth is noted as being 37 so not old.
Thanks for all your help.
Sandy
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OK Sandy,
I'll add that to my list of things to do today.....check to see if there is a birth to a William and a Ruth in the right time frame in those indexes that show parent's names.......
......dee
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In South Australia there are the deaths of the following William HILLS between 1890 and 1894…..
William HILL aged 61 of Mile End died 1st June 1891 at West Park Lands
Ref = Ade 194/14
......dee
Could 1891 be 1892 Only a year out.
How long would it take to get a message reporting the death.
Just thinking out loud
Carol
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Carole, that's what I thought for a while but I am pretty sure I have found that William Hill with his family here well before the 1881 Census....... :-\
......dee
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Couldn't find any births in South Aust, NSW, Victoria or Western Australia to a William (Hill) and Ruth.......
I could have a look at the death certificate of that William who died 1st June 1891 at SAGHS.....but it probably won't tell me much more than the index does.....and goodness knows when I am going to get to SAGHS...could be months away...... :-\
......dee
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Checked what passenger indexes I can access, and nothing in them that is of help either..... :-\
......dee
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Morning Dee and Carol
Dee thanks for your continued help with this. :)
Appreciate all the resources you are using/finding to try and narrow it down.
Maybe I can check this side and see if he Burial entry gives any clues.
As Bank Holiday won't be until later in the week.
Off to a Steam rally to enjoy a day with hubby. :)
Sandy
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Dear Carol,
By chance I´ve come across rootschat and saw that you wrote some queries concerning my great-grandfather John Breckon Green of the Whitby. I would really love to hear what your connection to him is!
Best wishes
Piratequeen