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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: johngirl on Friday 02 May 08 11:42 BST (UK)
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I`m wanting any information on James Blackberry born Whitechapel 1822. His fathers name was Thomas, his brothers names being Thomas, George and William. James was transported to Tasmania in 1843 on the ship Forfarshire. This information was taken from his convict records. James` partner was Ann Condon[alias Duffy] also a convict. We think they never married. They settled in the township of Westbury Tasmania. I have found James on the I.G.I but it doesn`t give much information at all. Can anybody help please.
Johngirl ;D ;D ;D
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I cant find any Blackberry's on the 1841 census at all.
the only possible is a Charles, who is indexed Blackbury, though the image could read Blackberry, it is very faint and hard to read. Not that the spelling really means a lot back in 1841, of course.
Anyway there is Charles, aged 29, bn Middlesex, living in Marylebone
HO107 677 2
But Charles is not any of the names you list....... :(
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Thankyou for looking for me, James is a mystery. Blackberry is not a common name I know. I thought he might be easy to find,obviously not. He may have told a load of rubbish in his convict details. We have been told by family legend that he was the son of a Captain William Wood but I can`t find any connection at all. Captain William Wood came to Tasmania in the 1820`s and James in 1843. Many convicts changed their names but we couldn`t find an alias for James.
Thankyou Johngirl.
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so ... family legend says his dad was William Wood, your first post said his dad was a Thomas (Blackberry?) - where did the Thomas info come from?
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I see the IGI entry - is that where you got the d-o-b and place Whitechapel from?
I see it is a member submitted entry, so should be treated with a huge amount of caution. As you say there are no details, so the submitter has obviously not got the info from a sourse such as a parish register, which would have given parents names.
I wouldnt take any notice of this entry at all.
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No I certainly wont take any notice of it. My aunt got James convict records and thats where we got his fathers and brothers names from. It said his native place was whitechapel England. As I said he may have lied about his past. You never know. His trial record is on the Old Baily site.
Regards Johngirl ;D ;D
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I would guess the submitter got the info from the same place then.
Being nosey, I have just tried to find it, but cant find it on Old Bailey site.
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Sorry I didn`t see your post regarding William Wood. Its just that older family members had it in their head that James Blackberry was Captain William Woods son.My aunt and I cannot find a connection or where they reckon he is connected to William Wood when his convict records tells us that his father was Thomas and his native place Whitechapel England. I have been trying to get distant family members to show me where they have found the connection but to no avail. Just wishful thinking on their part I think.Thats why I`m trying to find James Blackberrys birth record to show who his father and mother was.
Regards Johngirl ;D ;D
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Its hard to find on the Old Baily site. When I first tried I couldn`t find him but I tried again yesterday and found him.The site was only working slowly as they were advertising that there were a lot of users on site. The site goes beyond the year 1834 like it used to.
Regards Johngirl ;D ;D
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I've just been to
www.parishregister.com
and used their search facility for St Mary Whitechapel 1813-1823 and the search returns Thomas Blackberry and William Henry Blackberry. You have to pay to see their transcriptions.
I'm currently offering London Metropolitan Archives look-ups on an on-going basis and can add you to my look-up list, let me know (see my LMA posts at the top of the London & Middx boards)
Dawn
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JAMES BLACKBERRY, 19, defendant name in trial of JAMES BLACKBERRY, Theft > pocketpicking, 28th November 1842.
78. JAMES BLACKBERRY was indicted for stealing, on the 23rd of November, 1 handkerchiefcvalue 5s., the goods of Preston Newburn Brunton, from his person; and that the had been before convicted of felony. PRESTON NEWBURN BRUNTON . I am the master of a brig....
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Hi
This is all I could find for BLACKBERRY in 'St Mary Whitechapel' wrong christian names for father but pass it on anyway :
BLACKBERRY Thomas
born : 5 July 1816 Baptised : 30 Aug 1818
Parents : James a Labourer and Margaret
Address : Castle Street
BLACKBERRY William Henry
born : 22 May 1818 Baptised : 16 Aug 1818
Parents : James a Labourer and Margaret
Adddress : Castle Street
It might be worth a 1841 address lookup for Castle Street in case they are some relation?
Only says Castle Street so assume in the Whitechapel area?
Good luck
Reyz
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Given that he had 'history' this may be worth a look:
1841 HO107/737/21
James Blageby, 20, french polisher, prisoner in Westminster penitentiary.
Richard
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May or may not be relevant:
1851
HO107 1544 369 33
Halifax Str Stepney
James Black... (indexed Blackbroy, image could easily be Blackberry) 74 bn Miidx
Margaret wife 70 bn Liverpool
Henry 33 son bn Middx
could this be the William Henry?
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And here they are in 1841
Still HAlifax Str
JAmes Blackberry 65 Lab bn in county
Margaret 55 not bn in cty
Henry 20 bn in county
(remember ages are rounded)
Indexed as Blackbary, but image is Blackberry
No sign of any other sons with them.
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I`m wanting any information on James Blackberry born Whitechapel 1822. His fathers name was Thomas, his brothers names being Thomas, George and William. James was transported to Tasmania in 1843 on the ship Forfarshire. This information was taken from his convict records. James` partner was Ann Condon[alias Duffy] also a convict. We think they never married. They settled in the township of Westbury Tasmania. I have found James on the I.G.I but it doesn`t give much information at all. Can anybody help please.
Johngirl ;D ;D ;D
Hi, I am too descended from 'James Blackberry' via his daughter Elizabeth Page. I am stumped by this too. I recently found this in a book authored by Lois Nyman, 'The West Tamar People' (1996), p. 69:
"A man who also wished to dissociate himself from his past was Jack Wood, who had come out to the colony as a teenage convict. He was assigned to a settler at Invermay, or 'The Swamp' as it was then called, and worked on a dairy farm. There he married one of the servants. When his sentence had expired he determined to live an entirely new life with a new identity. He moved from where he was known and although he realised that free settlers were adept at sensing if a man had been a convict, changed his name to 'Blackberry' and hoped that his knew life would never be touched by any stigma. In the 1860s he moved to Notley Hills, where he raised his family."
Is the a different person, the same person, an incorrect story?
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Hi Apdewit
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Despite this being a topic from 2008, johngirl is still active on Rootschat so should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Hi Apdewit
The information from the book The West Tamar People written by Lois Nyman is incorrect. James Blackberry was a convict his convict details are posted in this link below.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-44,246,9,F,60
My late aunt done a lot of research on James Blackberry and she could never find any link to the surname Wood/s.We are sure it was just pure fabrication of another researcher.James and his partner Ann Condon did live in Notley Hills.James and Ann Blackberry were my GG Grandparents.Their daughter Isabella Frances Blackberry was my G Grandmother.
Johngirl