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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: scully on Thursday 01 May 08 20:54 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Could anyone find a Charles and Margaret Currie in the 1861/71 cenus ayr. They had a son George about 1857.
Scully
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1861
Galston Road, Riccarton, Ayrshire
Charles Currie, 23, Colliery Store keeper, b. Kilmarnock
Margaret, 21, b. Riccarton
Charles, 1, b. Riccarton
Gadget :)
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Hi Gadget,
Thanks for the information.
Scully
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sorry Scully
I couldn't find a George,Charles and Margaret combination with George b. Ayrshire :-\
Gadget
Added - can you give the source of George's birth - Ican't find a registration either on SP or the IGI that fits :-\
This one was Charles Brown Currie, b. 11 March1860, Riccarton to Charles Currie and Margaret Brown
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Hi Gadget,
I do,t have the birth of George I Just have the marriage of George Currie to a Sarah Irvine on the 17/11/1876 in Wallacetown. He was aged 19 and his parents were Charles Currie and Margaret Greenwood.
Scully
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Hi Scully
I see from the 1881 that he is aged 25, born Irvine.
On his death cert in 1926 (1 st Jan -aged 70), his parents are listed as Charles Currie and Jeanie, maiden surname Gordon* :-\
I'll see if I can find this combination.
Gadget
* added - it is the correct one as his death cert lists him as widower of Sarah Irvine.
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Think that I've found him with a Charles Currie and Jane Gordon on the 1861 in Irvine. I'm going to do some more checks :)
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It's a very odd entry. This is as it appears on the page
1861
High Street, Irvine
595 ED 5 Page 21
Charles Currie, head, unmarried, 24, ag lab, b.Irvine
Jane Gordon, sister, unm, 22, b. Dailly
Agnes Gordon, mother, mar, 56, b. Ayr
George Currie, son, 5, b. Irvine
William, son, 2, b. Irvine
Charles, son, 3, b. Irvine
Gadget
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More normal in the 1871 :D :
High Street, Irvine
Charles Currie, 35, Ag Lab - M.S., b. Irvine
Jane, wife, 34, hand sewer, b. Kirkoswald
George, 15, coal miner, b. Irvine
William, 11, bonnet knitter, b. Irvine
David, 8, scholar, b. Irvine
Agnes, 6, scholar,b. Irvine
Janet, 4, b. Irvine
Jane, 2, b. Irvine
Gadget
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Hi Scully
I've found George's birth registration:
10 July 1856, Fullerton Street, Irvine.
George Gordon, illegitimate. Mother - Jane Gordon, muslin sewer.
I've so far not been able to locate a marriage for Charles and Jane. It might have been a common law one.
Gadget
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A possible for Jane Gordon, given that there is an Agnes Gordon with them in 1861 and one of the sons was named Gordon:
Bpt. Dundonald, 15 May 1836 - Jane Mitchell Gordon, parents - David Gordon and Agnes Mathie. (IGI)
Gadget
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The only Margaret Greenwood that I've found so far in Ayrshire was b. 5th June 1860 (Ayr) - parents- John Greenwood and Mary Gordon.
I'm wondering if this Mary was a relative of Jane's.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I've been following this thread and thought I'd have a look for Gordon/Currie births in Irvine. However, some of the births seem to imply Jane's maiden name was Morrison. :-\ I've only included the children from the 1871 census just now:
George Gordon, born 10th July 1856 Irvine - mother Jane Gordon
William Currie, born 7th August 1860 Irvine - parents Charles C and Jane Gordon
David Currie, born 29th November 1862 Irvine - parents Charles C and Jane Morrison
[Agnes]
Janet Currie, born 31st December 1866 Irvine - parents Charles C and Jane Morrison
Jane Currie, born 10th February 1869 Irvine - parents Charles C and Jane Morrison
In addition to these, Charles and Jane also had John Greenwood Currie in 1871. That seems to confirm the two families knew/were related to each other.
hume24
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Hi Hume
Guess what I've spent 30 mins doing!
This family is confusing so I'll put up my work anyway ::) ;D
1881
Wallacetown
Charles Currie, 48, labourer, b. Irvine
Jane, 43, b. Kirkoswald
David, 19, painter, b. Irvine
Agnes, 17, wool spinner, b. Irvine
Janet, 16, wool spinner, b. Irvine
Jane, 11, b. Irvine
John G, 6, b.Ayr
Sarah, 3, b. Ayr
John Greenwood, brother, 19, baker, b. Ayr
Annie Greenwood, visitor, 16, b. Ayr
From SP -
Parent - Jane Gordon:
George Gordon (?Currrie) - b. 10 July 1856
from IGI -
Parents - Charles Currie and Jane Gordon:
Charles Currie - b. Jun 1858, Irvine
William Currie - 7 Aug 1860, Irvine
Parents - Charles Currie and Jane Morrison:
David Currie - 29 Sept 1862, Irvine
Elizabeth Currie - 23 Dec 1864, Irvine - is this Agnes?
Janet Currie - 31 Dec 1866, Irvine
Jane Currie - 10 February 1869, Irvine
John Greenwood Currie - 7 April 1871, Irvine
James Johnston Currie - 13 June 1873, Irvine
as yet, I can't find Sarah b.c. 1878, Ayr
I can't find marriage for Charles and Jane Morrison either or a death for Jane Gordon.
Anything else that you can come up with. I've been looking for a death for Charles but so far nada
IGI kept going down :(
Gadget :)
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I think that Jane Gordon and Jane Morrison are two separate people - 1861 b. Dailly circa 1839. 1871 b. Kirkoswald circa 1837.
Gadget
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1891
Orange Row, Prestwick Road, Ayr
Charles Currie, 56, labourer, b. Irvine
Jane, 54, b. Kiroswald
John, 16, Flesher b. Ayr
Sarah, 14, b. Ayr
Hannah, 8. b. Ayr
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Charles dead by 1901:
1901
18 Allison Street, Ayr
Jane Currie, hd, wid, 64, seamstress, b. Kirkoswald
Hannah, 21, outdoor worker, b. Ayr
Jane McGraw, grddaughter, 11 months, b. Ayr
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I was just about to post a Charles Currie death in 1897 Ayr, aged 55. It looks like Jane died in 1904, but not sure if her age is recorded on the SP index. :-\ She's listed with maiden name Gordon.
hume24
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My SP logo is going around and around - I'll check on the death. So where does the Morrison come in :-\
Scully's got an interesting family for us to sort out ::)
Gadget
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The 5 May 1897 death for Charles Currie, aged 55! , was down as married to Jane Gordon. A masons labourer, 178 Prestwick Road, Newton on Ayr.
Parents - John Currie, coal miner, dec. and Mary, m.s. McCracken, dec.
Son G. Currie (George?) was informant - residence - Reids Square, Ayr
Gadget
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Jane Currie died 18 March 1904, aged 64 at 27 Nelson St, Ayr. Widow of Charles Currie a masons labourer.
Parents - John gordon, ? labourer, dec. and Jane m.s. not known.
Informant - D. Currie (David?), son
So - no Morrison or Greenwood names coming out :-\
Gadget
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Got some credits and looked at Hannah Currie's birth. She was 8 in
1881 1891.
Hannah Hannes (?) Currie, b. December 17th 1881. Parents Charles Currie, mason's labourer, and Jane Morrison. Married July 11th 1855 in Irvine?
Can't see anything like that 1855 date on the IGI. ???
hume24
Same date showing on Sarah Irvine Currie's birth. She was born the 15th February 1878 in Ayr.
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Also found the birth reg of Sarah b.c. 1878:
Sarah Irvine Currie, 13 Feb 1878, Reid Square, St Quivox.
Parents - Charles Currie, masons labourer and Jane, m.s. Morrison.
Again, marriage given as 11 July 1855, Irvine. Would it be by declaration :-\
I wonder if Jane's mother was Morrison?
Gadget
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Although I checked last night for a marriage, I've checked again for 1855 with all 3 surnames - just Cha c*r*, then j Mor*son, then j g*rd*n.
I think it must have been a common law marriage.
Gadget
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I've been following up the Agnes Gordon, aged 56 on the 1861. There is a possible on the 1851, a washerwoman, with a daughter Janet, aged 8. but I'm not sure.
I just wonder whether we're up against the old Scottish system of giving children the father's surname and Jane's father was a Morrison :-\
I'm busy from now and over the weekend so can't do much more.
Gadget
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Just been looking at the Greenwoods from the 1881 census:
Ann- b. 5 Feb 1865
John - b. 4 July 1862
Both Ayr. both parents - John Greenwood and Mary Ralston
Interestingly, the father of the Margaret Greenwood that i found in Ayr was John:
Margaret - b. 5 June 1860 - John Greenwood and Mary Gordon
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;D Think I've got a breakthrough. Found Agnes Gordon's death in 1889. Details below:
Agnes Colquhoun, 78, widow of James Colquhoun
Died June 17th 1889 Orange Row, Prestwick Road, Ayr
Parents George Gordon, farm servant, dec., and Janet MS Kennedy, dec.
Death registered by son-in-law, John Greenwood
hume24
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:D :D :D
Well done!
So the Mary Gordon, mother of Margaret Greenwood, b. 1860 was Jane's sister and George Currie's aunt ;D ;D ;D
Now, can you work in the Morrison bit!
Gadget
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Just a thought
Jane and Mary were the daughter's of Agnes Colquhoun m.s. Gordon.
could it be that Mary's father was a Ralston and Jane's father was a Morrison and that's why we're faced with all these names ???
I'll leave you to ponder on't :-\
Gadget
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Had a look at the John Greenwood/Mary Ralston marriage in 1859 Ayr. Marriage certificate doesn't give Mary's parents, John gives his as John G/Mary Ralston! How confusing is that? :-\
I'm starting to think the same as you, Gadget - Morrison and Ralston were the girls' father's names and they've used them (on and off!) throughout their lives. The Colquhoun name comes after, Agnes Gordon married James C in Ayr in 1870.
Well, at least it's looking that way! :-\
hume24
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Yeah - I saw that in the Greenwood/Ralston - bit of a let down, I thought :(
I might try chasing up Agnes in the 1841/51 if I get time :-\
Unless, of course, you find her this afternoon :)
Gadget
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Found her christening, using the parents' names:
Agnes Gordon, bapt. 6th January 1799 Maybole - parents George G and Janet Kennedy
So it looks like the entry you found for 1851 is correct:
Fullarton Street, Dundonald, Ayrshire
Agnes Gordon, head, wid., 48, washerwoman, b. Maybole
Janet ", dau., -, 8, -, b. Dundonald
hume24 :)
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Hi Gadget and Hume24,
Thanks for all the information. It certainly got my head spinning. It as turned out more diffficult than i thought, but i as i have found out trying to do my tree its never as staight forward as we think. But thats why its so interesting and never boring.
Scully
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It got our heads spinning, Scully ;D
I think we got there in the end but it's a canny lot that you have there. I think, if I were you, I'd print off the thread and work it out on paper.
Do send me your e-mail for I have some certificates :D
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
How do i send it as a personal message with out putting it on the main posts. If its not possible i will send it on the main post.
Scully
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Hi Scully
if you look below the picture under my name on this message, you'll see a little green scroll. Click on that and a message bos will pop up and you'll be able to send me a personal message that will be private and won't be posted on the boards for people to see you're address.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
Is there any chance you could find the 1891/1901 Cenus For George & Sarah Currie. Their Children,
Charles ,Born about 1876, Irvine
Agnes, Born About !877, Ayr
George, Born about, 1880, Irvine
Samuel, Born About, 1881, Irvine
I am following the line of Samuels son George Manson Currie b, 30/11/1908. Samuel was married to Mary Brown Manson on 29/10/1908. I don,y know yet if Samuel and Mary had any more children. It seems odd that Gordon or Morrison Surname has,nt turned up in any childrens names.
Scully
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1891
Living at 8 Reid's Square, Ayr (as on one of the death certs!)
George, 39, Carter, b. Dundonald
Sarah, 32, b. Ayr
Charles, 15, baker, b. Irvine
Agnes, 13, b. Ayr
George, 11, b. Irvine
Samuel, 9, b. Ayr
James, 7, b. Ayr
William, 7, b. Ayr
David, 5, b. Ayr
John, 3, b. Ayr
Mary, 9 months, b. Ayr
:)
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1901
7 Reid's Square, Ayr
George, 44, labourer (general), b.Irvine
Sarah, 42, b. Ayr
James,17, labourer (general), b. Ayr
William, 17, labourer (coal) b. Ayr
John, 12, b. Ayr
Mary,10, b. Ayr
Robert, 8, b. Ayr
Katie, 5, b. Ayr
Jane, 3, b. Ayr
:)
I'll look for Samuel in 1901 later - must go off for a while now!
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Hi Gadget,
Thanks for taking the time to look.
Scully
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Hi Scully
I'm having problems trying to find Samuel on the 1901 census. I notice that he married in Ayr, so he may not have gone far. It might be wrongly entered or, possibly was serving in the Boer war, at sea, etc.
What was his occupation on the marriage cert?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
It just says he was labourer, living at Craigmiller Buildings, Ayr.It says witnesses were John Manson And Annabella Logan.
scully
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Re: Samuel Currie.
I have Samuel in my family, I have searched over the years and am pretty sure our Samuels are the same.
My Details are:
Samuel born 1882 to George Currie and Sarah Irvine (Irving) living at 8 Reids Square in 1891 census.
Samuel was a private and drummer in the Boer War 1899 to 1902.
I have found the marriage to Mary Manson in 1908.
Did Mary die before 1915?
I have Samuel married to my great aunt Ann Watson in Inverness , bachelor, on 27/12/1915. At this time he was stationed at Newton Camp at Cromarty, Scotland, My great aunt lived in Cromarty.
He is with the 2nd Battalion Seaforth Highlanders service number 6936. Parents George Currie and Sarah Irvine ( Irving).
Hr has a medal record to 1916.
My great aunt Ann Watson remarried in Inverness 25/02/1919 and she listed as a widow. I have never been able to find a death certificate for Samuel despite several years searching.
Are you able to solve my puzzle re Samuel or was he a bigamist?
Regards from NZ
Min Walker
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Hi Min Walker,
I,m having the same trouble finding Samuel & Marys deaths. I have Samuel & Mary on the 1911 Census said he was a labourer with George aged 2 & Agnes 1, Living at 67, Mill Street, Ayr. I found the death of another son John Mason who died on the 27th of September 1913 at 30, King Street. It seems Mary was still alive then. Their son George married my moms sister Agnes Young. I,ll keep digging. My e-mail is (*)
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Hi Scully,
I found Mary's death; age: 67
4th January 1951 at 10A, McLean Street, Ayr. Present, son, George Currie of 34, Lochside Road, Ayr.
Parents John Manson - Boilermaker and Elizabeth Manson nee Aird, both deceased. Died of Chronic Bronchitis and Myocarditis and Asthma. Registered at St. Quivox. Name given: Mary Russell Currie married to Samuel Currie, which seems to indicate that Samuel was still alive in 1951.
In their marriage cert. Mary's parents are given as John Manson = boilermaker and Elizabeth Manson nee Russell.
I am continuing to search for Samuel's death as I have been going on my great aunt Ann Watson 22nd marriage she is listed as a widow and I presumed that Samuel had died in WW1
I have searched WW1 records for him many times. Am I chasing the wrong Samuel Currie whose parents are also George Currie and Sarah Irvine ???