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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Mourne on Wednesday 30 April 08 19:11 BST (UK)
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Seeking an approximate date for the attached picture of the lady I have been given to understand is my grandmother. She died at the age of 32 years in 1907. So I'm unsure that I've been advised correctly.
Thanks for your help.
Mourne
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Welcome to RC Mourne ;)
Hhhhmmmmm...I'm no expert but she looks older than 32 to me!!
Debbie
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Hi Mourne ;)
Welcome to RootsChat!!
I would say this lady is in her late forties or early fifties!
Judy ;)
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Thank you for your thoughts, sadly no one to ask in the family
Mourne
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Yes Debbie it is ME ME ME
Maureen
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Hi Mourne,
Yep, thought it was you...as I said WELCOME TO RC!!!!
I've sent you a personal message, so we can exchange stuff that's not relevant to this posting, privately.
Lovely picture...
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Hi and welcome Mourne, :D
At first I thought..get off, she's older than that....
BUT
Then I thought, hang of, if she died when she wa s32....was she ill, and is that why she looks 45-50
Just something to consider.
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Hmmmm...not only does this lady look quite a bit older than 32, her hairstyle is much more modern than 1907, the way it sweeps down over her forehead. Just my opinion... :)
Welcome to Rootschat, Maureen!
Cheers,
China
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I agree that the lady looks older than 32 (even if she was ill :-\ ) and that the hairstyle and setting etc. suggest a date later than 1907...I would be going for about 10 years later than that - around the middle of WW1 - and as for her age, probably late 40s to around 50.
Prue :)
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Thank you all for your thoughts. I so want this person to be my Grandomther, as this is what I was told, on her death cert is Pulmonary Tuberculosis Exhaustion, maybe this is why she looks older than 32 yrs
Mourne
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Welcome to rootschat Mourne,
What a lovely avatar that is!
Now about your picture, this lady is certainly older than the age that you have given.
I would estimate late 40's, but having said that, have you noticed the deterioration in the facial musculature around the mouth, the thinning lips are an aging thing as well.
Rabbit B ;D
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Sorry Mourne, I think that might be wishful thinking :-\ ;)
The lady does not look like an ill young woman, she looks like a healthy mature woman. If she had TB she would look more wasted and pale. This lady has all the signs of a face going southwards (not wishing to be rude! ;D ) - slight jowls, heavy brows, lines around mouth etc. Her hands are not the hands of a young woman, either.
Combine all this with the fairly confident dating information of 1915-1920 or so, and I really think that, unfortunately, this is not your grandmother :-\
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Perhaps not grandmother, then, but could it be HER mother ?
There's nearly always a grain of truth in family legends, nearly always... ::) sometimes even two grains...
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Apart from the colour of her hair, I would say that she looks older even than 50.
To me, she looks nearer 60.
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There's another thing...TB gives you all kinds of pulmonary problems which result in poor oxygenation. Poor oxygenation leads to loss of brain and cardiac function and a whole bunch of stuff ....including poor fingernail and hair growth. In fact, TB is noted for hair loss.
This woman looks like she has a very healthy head of hair. Lovely hair.
Just another 2 cents' worth....your piggybank is going to be full soon ;D
Cheers,
China
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Thank you all for your comments.
But can anyone put a year to the photo rather than the person.
Mourne
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Combine all this with the fairly confident dating information of 1915-1920 or so..................
You have been given a very good date for the photo and I would agree with Pru
Jenny
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Hi,
Is the photographers name written anywhere?
Just thought I should ask in case it had been cropped off the bottom.
Mo
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Thank you all for your comments.
But can anyone put a year to the photo rather than the person.
Mourne
Hi Mourne,
the photo is the same date as given earlier in the thread - WW1 vintage. Silver gelatin DOP if you want to get technical ;) The oval shape and card decoration are also of that date.
Sorry but it really seems that this is not your grandmother.
Cheers
Prue
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Thank you all again,
This is my first time on this site so sorry if I have asked the same quiestion twice, I am sure I will get used to it in time. I will now have to put on my thinking cap again.
The name on the photo is Hellis and Sons.
Mourne
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Hellis and Sons, we've had one of theirs before...can't bloomin remember where...
Still sticking to it, if it is too late for grandma, is it great grandma?
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Here they are, half way down the page
http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/LITTLE-CDV-PHOTO-ALBUM-DECORATED-WITH-MORE-40CDV_W0QQitemZ330186547887QQihZ014QQcategoryZ409QQcmdZViewItem
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Sorry Mourne, I think that might be wishful thinking :-\ ;)
The lady does not look like an ill young woman, she looks like a healthy mature woman. If she had TB she would look more wasted and pale. This lady has all the signs of a face going southwards (not wishing to be rude! ;D ) - slight jowls, heavy brows, lines around mouth etc. Her hands are not the hands of a young woman, either.
Combine all this with the fairly confident dating information of 1915-1920 or so, and I really think that, unfortunately, this is not your grandmother :-\
Hi Prue,
I have to agree with you about the hands, I must confess that I was too tired to notice them last night, the lines around the mouth were what I was referring to in my earlier post, I was very puzzled by the lack of grey hair.
Dark haired people, my mum and husband both dark haired seemed to go grey fairly early on. Yet I have an auburn tinge and very little grey despite my advancing years!
Rabbit B ;D
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I think the thing about "the face going southwards" is that this lady doesn't have many teeth, which again would suggest she is older than the 32 you were hoping for with your first identification.
Have you worked out who she might be, aged c 50 or so in 1915-20, so born c1870, perhaps?
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Not all dark haired people go grey early, Rabbit, me ole chum, :) Gran Harriet wasn't grey, neither were my Mum or Dad, all into their 80s.
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Hi Mourne...........Heres my colour version and my suggestion is this lady must be at least in her mid to late fifties.
Carolyn :)
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Thank you Caroline for the colour photo it is great. Hubby is most impressed.
Hi IgorStrav there is no one born in 1870+ that it is likely to be,
Also thank you Paulatoo for the info you gave on Hellis & Sons looked on the site and seems they had a photo studio in Greenwich where on the 1901 Census my Grandmother was living so could well be it is her mother.
Many thanks to you all have a nice weekend
Mourne
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Just a gut feeling, Mourne. There is usually something behind family legends, even if it's not obvious.