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Title: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: youwho on Monday 28 April 08 10:41 BST (UK)

Hi

Does anyone know if there is an online index/register of people buried and the grave number  in Tottenham cemetary.

Thanks

youwho :)

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: Meliora on Monday 28 April 08 10:54 BST (UK)

Hello, youwho,

Are you thinking of the large Tottenham cemetery in White Hart Lane. ?

I don't think there is an online index or register available, my own family are buried there.   The records are kept at the Enfield Crematorium & you can consult them yourself but they are not indexed so you would have to know the name & date of burial.  You can consult the records yourself at the Crem., I don't think they do a lookup service.

Enfield Crematorium,
Great Cambridge Rd.,
Enfield,  Middsx,
EN1 4DS

PM with phone no.

Meliora

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: youwho on Monday 28 April 08 11:11 BST (UK)

Hello Meliora

Yes thats the one, there are a lot of my family buried there also, I live in the West Country so a visit isn't possible at the moment I was hoping for an index like they have at Abney Park,  thanks for info.

youwho

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: nanny jan on Monday 28 April 08 11:18 BST (UK)

Hi youwho,

Perhaps if you contact the officials and explain the logistics they might be able to help.   

I have a similar problem, living in Dorset, and the London cemeteries I have contacted have, so far, been very helpful; sending grave references and, in one case, a plan of the cemetery.

Good luck,

Nanny Jan

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: Meliora on Monday 28 April 08 11:47 BST (UK)

Hello, Youwho & Nannyjan,

I have contacted the Enfield Crem. myself in the past both by visiting & a contact enquiry  but you do need to to visit unfortunately.  Even when I visited it took ages to go thro' some of the record books.

Meliora

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: haliared on Monday 28 April 08 11:56 BST (UK)

Quote from: youwho on Monday 28 April 08 10:41 BST (UK)

Hi

Does anyone know if there is an online index/register of people buried and the grave number in Tottenham cemetary.

Thanks

youwho :)

Hi youwho,
I've found that if you have the date of death the London cemeteries are usually extremely helpful and will usually do a quick check for you over the phone once they know you live far away.
Best wishes & good luck.

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: poppymilly on Friday 13 June 08 16:29 BST (UK)

hi i have family in tottenham cemetery i gave them the details on the death cert and they confirmed they were there and where they were you can make an appointment with the groundsman and he will show you where the burials are very helpfull
abney park do the same
poppymilly

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: youwho on Tuesday 17 June 08 12:33 BST (UK)

Thanks for all the info, sadly the person I'm seeking I don't even know the year of death, I was hoping for an online index I could search to try and find her, I have had no luck in the GRO lists, just have to keep looking, of course she may have remarried, another avenue I will need to go down.

youwho

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Wednesday 26 January 11 13:12 GMT (UK)

Hello Fellow Searchers,

After many years of searching we have found the burial site of my Uncle Arthur John Robin (1915-1953). Northern Section with grave #. [My cousin first asked and they could not find any record. I e-mailed them again and found them very helpful.]
We just needed that one small clue which we received from a distant relative "Tottenham" that broke the lock.

Anyone making a trip there? Do you know the lay out of the cemetery? Is it well kept up? I have a map of the place but the Northern section is huge! I live in California and my cousin lives in Queensland, Australia. He plans to visit some time since he has been searching for so long to find his father's grave. I would love to revisit the UK but my travel days are over.
I have Googled and found random photographs by people on various photo sites.

Never give up. Dreams do come true!

K

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: Newspeaker on Saturday 26 March 11 19:01 GMT (UK)

Hi there, I have just started researching my family tree and found this site when doing a google search for Tottenham Cemetery and saw your message looking for info on it.  Did you find what you were looking for?  I only ask as I have just found the grave number that my grandfather is buried at and plan to go the cemetery at some point soon to find it and maybe I could look for yours for you as you are so far away? 

Jo

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Monday 16 May 11 02:54 BST (UK)

Quote from: Newspeaker on Saturday 26 March 11 19:01 GMT (UK)

Hi there, I have just started researching my family tree and found this site when doing a google search for Tottenham Cemetery and saw your message looking for info on it.  Did you find what you were looking for?  I only ask as I have just found the grave number that my grandfather is buried at and plan to go the cemetery at some point soon to find it and maybe I could look for yours for you as you are so far away? 

Jo

Hi Jo,
Good luck on your family search. Tell us if you had any luck finding your family who are buried at Tottenham Cemetery. It is a huge place but seems to be cared for since it is still an active cemetery. All I know is that I visited there with my grandmother many years ago when I was just a wee little girl.  :( I have a vague memory! We lived not far from there. I recognized some familiar place names. We lived in Wood Green and my Uncle lived in Islington. That was a very long time ago and places and times have changed.
My cousin who was searching for his father's grave will visit there in the future sometime. His son will be getting married so that has delayed his trip. He lives in Australia.  ::)

I did enter my Uncle's burial information in the find a grave dot com site. At that site I also found a map which gave the location of the northern section. It is huge! I also viewed the google maps which also gave the cemetery location. I also found some Tottenham Cemetery photos on flicker. All this helped give an idea of the location size of the place. Need to plan ahead when visiting to give plenty of time to talk with grounds person regarding help with location of grave.

Someday hopefully soon we will have actual pictures of the grave stone.
Thanks for your comment. Good luck with your genealogy research. Never give up!
~happy thoughts through my looking-glass~
K

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: Valda on Monday 16 May 11 15:43 BST (UK)

Hi

Be aware there are two London cemeteries with the name Tottenham, though only one of them is actually in Tottenham.

Tottenham Cemetery, White Hart Lane, Tottenham N9 (opened 1856)

and

Tottenham Park Cemetery, Dodsley Place off Montagu Road, Edmonton N9 (opened 1912)


The cemeteries are only a couple of miles apart.



Regards

Valda

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Monday 16 May 11 16:57 BST (UK)

Quote from: Valda on Monday 16 May 11 15:43 BST (UK)

Hi

Be aware there are two London cemeteries with the name Tottenham, though only one of them is actually in Tottenham.

Tottenham Cemetery, White Hart Lane, Tottenham N9 (opened 1856)
and
Tottenham Park Cemetery, Dodsley Place off Montagu Road, Edmonton N9 (opened 1912)
The cemeteries are only a couple of miles apart.
Regards
Valda

Thank you, Valda for that information. Good point to take into consideration. However, I strongly believe with the search results given my Uncle's grave is in the Northern section of Tottenham Cemetery on White Hart Lane. Time will tell when we actually can visit, find it and take photos. My travel days are over so I await my cousin's trip sometime soon in the near future. He has searched and waited many years to find his father's last resting place. I live in Southern California and he lives in Australia.
It will be a dream come true!

Fingers crossed!

Thanks,
~happy thoughts through my looking-glass~
K

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: Mohli on Thursday 16 June 11 16:25 BST (UK)

I hope you will find some useful information from the following links relating to London's cemeteries.The costs for a search are very expensive but the second link is for an online database in progress

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Community_and_living/Deaths_funerals_and_cremations/Cemetery_and_crematorium/burial_registers.htm


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

www.islington.gov.uk/heritage (http://www.islington.gov.uk/heritage)

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Thursday 16 June 11 17:33 BST (UK)

Quote from: Mohli on Thursday 16 June 11 16:25 BST (UK)

I hope you will find some useful information from the following links relating to London's cemeteries.The costs for a search are very expensive but the second link is for an online database in progress

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Community_and_living/Deaths_funerals_and_cremations/Cemetery_and_crematorium/burial_registers.htm


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

www.islington.gov.uk/heritage (http://www.islington.gov.uk/heritage)

:)

Hello,
Thanks for your informative post. I really enjoyed checking out the links!
The audio/visual of Islington and the walking tours are great. I will pass the links on to my cousin. I have no idea at this point when he will be going to visit the UK. For sure after his son's wedding I would think.  Islington will be a place that he will see on passing through to Tottenham when he goes to make the first long awaited visit to his father's grave site at Tottenham Cemetery.
Thanks again,
K :)

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: Mohli on Friday 17 June 11 09:56 BST (UK)

Hello K

Glad you found it useful, London and Middlesex can be very confusing at times with all the different parishes.  My Mum was born in Tottenham which was registered in Edmonton and now Haringey and came under Middlesex, no wonder it takes so long to find who you are searching for.

If you haven't already found the site Genuki gives most of the info on nearly every place in the UK

Mo

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Friday 17 June 11 12:35 BST (UK)

Quote from: Mohli on Friday 17 June 11 09:56 BST (UK)

Hello K

Glad you found it useful, London and Middlesex can be very confusing at times with all the different parishes.  My Mum was born in Tottenham which was registered in Edmonton and now Haringey and came under Middlesex, no wonder it takes so long to find who you are searching for.

If you haven't already found the site Genuki gives most of the info on nearly every place in the UK

Mo

Thanks Mo,
As  a wee girl we lived in Wood green. So looking at the map many of the area and main street names ring bells. I'm sure the places have changed since I was only 5 0r 6 years old when we left. (So many  :o many years ago!) I have vague memories. Thanks again!
K

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: haliared on Sunday 03 July 11 16:35 BST (UK)

My grandparents are buried in the Northern Section of Tottenham Cemetery too, but they do not have a headstone there-so be prepared, especially as you all live so far away, and is quite some journey, it would be awful if you get there expecting to find a stone and there is nothing, as happened in our case, and is quite common.
You feel somehow so desolate looking at open ground !

Good luck, and I hope that you find what you are looking for.

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Sunday 03 July 11 17:07 BST (UK)

Quote from: haliared on Sunday 03 July 11 16:35 BST (UK)

My grandparents are buried in the Northern Section of Tottenham Cemetery too, but they do not have a headstone there-so be prepared, especially as you all live so far away, and is quite some journey, it would be awful if you get there expecting to find a stone and there is nothing, as happened in our case, and is quite common.
You feel somehow so desolate looking at open ground !

Good luck, and I hope that you find what you are looking for.

Hello,
Thank you for responding with your information.
Yes it can be difficult living so far away and not being able to take extended trips to find the actual site. My Uncle was buried there in 1953. I have vague memories visiting the grave at one time with my grandmother before we came to the US. There was a curb stone and a headstone. So I would assume that there should be something left unless it has been vandalised, fallen over or in an area that is not maintained or abandoned.

Did your grandparents ever have a head stone was it removed or moved? How many years ago was that? I know in some of the very old cemeteries unfortunately there has been much vandalism or reconstruction. Sad! In some very old cemeteries head stones have deteriorated to the point of no recognition. This is all very disappointing! However I have hope that Tottenham is somewhat still an active cemetery and what I have read it is set up as a park. On another note my grandparents are buried at the Eastern Necropolis and Janefield in Glasgow, Scotland. I have no hope of going there to visit my traveling days are over due to severe arthritis. I have read that the cemetery at the Eastern Necropolis  is run down  which has the Celtic stadium next to it. From photos I see that it is a shame.

My cousin who's father is buried at Tottenham will go there sometime in the future. We have searched for years just to find which cemetery that he was buried in. In some ways just knowing where he is is a comfort for the time being.

Thank you again for your input.
K
P.S. I just reread this thread and realized I did not include the grave site information: Tottenham Cemetery White Hart Lane Northern Section Grave #10814 Arthur John Robin (20 Mar 1915-24 Apr 1953) British Merchant Navy

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: haliared on Sunday 03 July 11 17:24 BST (UK)

Hi there K,
Sadly my grandparents never had a headstone on the grave in the first place, family issues as to who would do it I think, and they never ended up getting one at all ! I am currently investigating who the registered owner of the grave is, if I can take legal ownership of it, then I can begin the necessary steps to get a headstone put on there for them.

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Sunday 03 July 11 18:07 BST (UK)

Quote from: haliared on Sunday 03 July 11 17:24 BST (UK)

Hi there K,
Sadly my grandparents never had a headstone on the grave in the first place, family issues as to who would do it I think, and they never ended up getting one at all ! I am currently investigating who the registered owner of the grave is, if I can take legal ownership of it, then I can begin the necessary steps to get a headstone put on there for them.

Good luck. This researching is a daunting venture.  Not to be negative but be fore warned about any untoward expenses that might have accrued over the years. I read one story of some one who were charged high costs to upkeep or restore a headstone that was not even their family's lot. Not sure where you are located. It is hard to deal with transactions from overseas. Although I did have good luck in some cases but it has taken 'time' just to find out this information . Like my cousin said to me some six months ago "I can't wait for records to be released I'll be dead by then!"  He is about six years older than me.  I live in California and he lives in Brisbane, Queensland, AU. My cousin never really knew his father since his father and mother separated then he died and his mother died in 1960. Too many miles apart and the last time we met was over 40 years ago!  Well all families have stories to tell. ::)
Keep in touch! If I find any new information I will post here. I have met many interesting people in this search for ancestors. My son thinks it is silly but he will one day see what becomes important and interesting as you get older. I have compiled a nice family tree so when his future someday children ask him about family he will have all my searches.  :)
Karola

Here is a sweet poem I found online:

* * * * * * Your Headstone stands among the rest,
* * * * * * Neglected and alone
* * * * * * The name and date are chiseled out
* * * * * * On polished, marble stone.

* * * * * * It reaches out to all who care
* * * * * * It is to late to mourn.
* * * * * * You did not know that I exist
* * * * * * You died and I was born.

* * * * * * Yet each of us are cells of you
* * * * * * In flesh, in blood, in bone.
* * * * * * Our hearts contract and beats a pulse
* * * * * * Entirely not are own.

* * * * * * Dear ancestor the place you filled
* * * * * * One hundred years ago
* * * * * * Spreads out among the ones you left
* * * * * * Who would have loved you so.

* * * * * * I wonder if you lived and loved,
* * * * * * I wonder if you knew
* * * * * * That someday i would find this spot
* * * * * * And come to pay my respects to you.

Author Unknown.*
* * * *Monumental Inscriptions: A Beautiful Poem* found on the Merchant Navy rootschat 2005* *
__________________

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: dawnsh on Sunday 03 July 11 18:13 BST (UK)

Also be prepared for more disappointment with regards to ownership  :-\

A lot of people think that graves are purchased freehold and 'in perpetuity' (for ever) but this is often not the case. 50, 75 or 100 years are the usual leaseholds on a plot.

A lot of cemeteries nowadays are planning to reuse plots that still have space in them, that haven't been opened for so many years (75 or 100) and no trace of the occupiers or plot owners families can be made. Many plots were purchased and over the years the ownership details have not been updated with changes of address.

The lease on my great grandparents grave has expired, and the local authority didn't know who to contact when it did. So even though I have come along at a much later date, had my current contact details put on file should they need to contact me, there is nothing further I can do with regards to the plot.

Dawn

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: weeknightingale on Sunday 03 July 11 18:23 BST (UK)

Hello Dawn,

Yes, I have heard of such happenings.  I was thinking that if the grave is over a certain age or time factor that it is or can be reclaimed by the 'cemetery'. Especially if there are no relatives etc.  Your information although sad is a sobering thought.  :(

Thanks for your contribution,
K

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: solveman on Sunday 12 July 15 22:07 BST (UK)

I was extremely interested by this thread, as I am trying to find the whereabouts of my grandad's grave. I know it was definitely in North London. I emailed Enfield cemeteries (re Enfield, Tottenham and Wood Green) and Abney Park but he isn't in any of those. The only person still living that might have a clue as to whice cemetery he is in had the feeling it was 'Grove somethingorother'.  By process of elimination we have come to the deduction that it must be Edmonton, as the cortege would have gone from Shoreditch, North along Kingsland High Road, Stoke Newington High Road, Bruce Grove, A10, Edmonton Cemetery. A long shot, I know. Anyway, I have emailed them and the undertaker that conducted the funeral. Fingers crossed, eh?

My main reason for responding to this rather old thread was to state that all of the cemeteries have been extremely helpful and responded within 24 hours. Also, you can find some graves on here: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs& This database has been, and is still being, compiled by well meaning amateurs so there are many grave not listed. I have found it useful nevertheless.

All the best
Rich

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: solveman on Sunday 12 July 15 22:21 BST (UK)

Quote from: dawnsh on Sunday 03 July 11 18:13 BST (UK)

Also be prepared for more disappointment with regards to ownership  :-\

A lot of people think that graves are purchased freehold and 'in perpetuity' (for ever) but this is often not the case. 50, 75 or 100 years are the usual leaseholds on a plot.

A lot of cemeteries nowadays are planning to reuse plots that still have space in them, that haven't been opened for so many years (75 or 100) and no trace of the occupiers or plot owners families can be made. Many plots were purchased and over the years the ownership details have not been updated with changes of address.

The lease on my great grandparents grave has expired, and the local authority didn't know who to contact when it did. So even though I have come along at a much later date, had my current contact details put on file should they need to contact me, there is nothing further I can do with regards to the plot.

Dawn

Dawn,

I would seek legal advice on this. We had an issue with plot deeds. My mum was joint owner for my uncle's plot and we thought she changed her dad's plot as part of the will when he died but she didn't. When she died we did nothing about the plots at that time. However, when my father passed 5 months later we laid mum and dad together in a plot, which was put in my brother's name. We decided, at that point, to transfer the others, as we thought they were in mums name, but found a bit of a messy mine field. However, we passed copies everything we had to our solicitor and they are now all in my brother's name. It isn't cheap but certainly worth it.

So my point is, it's always worth a chat to a solicitor.

Rich

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: darren456 on Sunday 12 July 15 22:41 BST (UK)

From memory there is a £20 Pound fee
Regards
Darren

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: cordley on Tuesday 11 April 17 20:35 BST (UK)

This is slightly off the thread but - I wonder if any Tottenham local knows the history of Tottenham Cemetery, before it became a cemetery in the 1850's.  (NOT Tottenham Park Cemetery)

Was it a large house and garden/estate?

Any help please?

Pam

Title: Re: Tottenham Cemetary
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 11 April 17 21:21 BST (UK)

There's a history here

http://londongardensonline.org.uk/gardens-online-record.php?ID=HGY039

the LMA also have a file

DL/A/C/MS19231/045

Also try Haringey Archives

http://www.haringey.gov.uk/libraries-sport-and-leisure/culture-and-entertainment/visiting-haringey/haringey-archive-and-local-history