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Title: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Irene Lilian Hunt on Monday 17 January 05 05:48 GMT (UK)
I am desperately searching for anyone who can help me with my McArdle line.

Patrick, Owen, Ann & Eliza were all born late 1820's to late 1830's in Armagh.

They all emigrated to australia (Tasmania).

They were Catholics.

There also may have been another brother, Henry.

Can anyone offer any suggestions as to how I may trace this family.

As a number of them used the christian name Winifred for their children I am grasping at straws and toy with the idea that their mother may have been a Winifred.

Look forward to any help no matter how small.

Thank you,  Irene
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Christopher on Monday 16 May 05 08:59 BST (UK)
Hello Irene,

I'm working on the theory of going forward in time to come back. Your McArdles may have emigrated to Australia before Griffiths Valuation of Ireland (1848 - 64). Provided some relatives of their father remained in Ireland it may be possible to establish the townland in which they had lived and possibly the church that they attended although it is likely that the details of their birth may appear in the Established Church (Anglican/Church of Ireland) records. www.proni.gov.uk/records/church.htm

 The Irish Ancestor Surname Search  (http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm) shows Counties Monaghan, Louth and Armagh occupying the top three places in which families by the McArdle lived during the time of the Valuation.   The Valuation in Armagh  (http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php) took place in 1864. The McArdle name then only appeared in two parishes in the County - Creggan and Derrynoose. 
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Irene Lilian Hunt on Wednesday 18 May 05 03:23 BST (UK)
Hello Christopher,

Thank you for your reply to my message.

My Patrick McArdle was married in Tasmania in 1861 as was his sister Ann (who incidentally married my husband's gr gr grandfather following the death of his first wife).

I have never been able to find Patrick's arrival in Tasmania so have no actual date other than before 1861.  Although I can verify that he was not a convict.

This is such a hard one for me - would have been easier if he were a convict.

Cheers, Irene
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: cowin on Thursday 27 November 08 01:16 GMT (UK)
hi i have a henry mc ardle born in armagh in 1847 lived in belfast wife annie born in monahan...thats all i know right now im only just finding this so i havent had much time to spend on it yet ...his first born patrick was born in manchester so im thinking they may have met and married in england there is a henry and ann duffy marriage that fits..perhaps they then moved to belfast for work...? hope this is something for you
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: PMS007 on Sunday 04 January 09 02:54 GMT (UK)
My ancestry includes McArdles from County Armagh who ended up in W Australia Bridget, Francis, John and Patrick John,
Father =Patrick McArdle
mother = Kate /Catherine/Katherine] Rafferty
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: cowin on Sunday 04 January 09 17:04 GMT (UK)
sorry my mc cardle was from belfast..... patrick.. i found a henry that i thought youd be interested in ...are you looking for someone in particular? i,ll keep a look out while i,m on my mc cardle side?
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Saltan on Wednesday 07 January 09 09:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Irene and others

I live in Tasmania, my grandfather was Patrick McArdle born in 1853 in Oatlands Tasmania (Australia) son of Patrick McArdle born in Armagh.  My mother recalls a relative of her fathers by the name of Eliza, so I believe with a little more research this could well be the family Irene is trying to trace.

Also, my husband and I were in Armagh in 2005.  On a visit to a little pub we spoke to a few locals about my ancestor being Patrick McArdle from Armagh, low and behold sitting in the corner of the pub was a Patrick McArdle who was the image of my brother and grandfather.  On speaking to him he told me he had a relative who emigrated to WA in the mid 1800's.  He then gave me his brothers name and suggested I call him as he had more knowledge of the family history.

I have the contact details for this brother but did not get to contact him myself.  I hope this information is of help to those trying to trace family history
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: cowin on Wednesday 07 January 09 13:23 GMT (UK)
thanks for your reply i will have to make a visit to belfast and look into my mc cardle side i know patrick died between census 1901 and 1911..his wife was annie?..st peters cathederal had no surname for his wife so its making it difficult for me to obtain a marriage cert..there is so many patrick mc cardle,s   so i,ll keep you informed how i,m doing and you never know it might be the same tree...thanks again
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Saltan on Wednesday 07 January 09 20:36 GMT (UK)
I have a cousin who has an indepth knowledge of the McArdle family who came to Tasmania, I will get in touch with her and post that information once I receive it.
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Saltan on Wednesday 07 January 09 20:41 GMT (UK)
Regarding the McArdle who went to WA. The contact details I was given by Patrick McArdle in Armagh for his brother are in storage so will have to find them, then will post that info
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: LEGION on Tuesday 22 June 10 11:25 BST (UK)
Irene- Was reading your info on McArdell family the names of the fathers and sons are the same in the family ands this trips people up. Patrick William McArdell (b.1834) and married at Oatlands in TAS in 1861 to Mary Cleary (b.1843) had 8 children. One of whom was Patrick George McArdell (b.1869). Patrick George married a Maud Radford (b.1892). They had 12 children. I know most of this firsthand as my G/Mother Kathleen (b.1904) was one of the children of Patrick and Maude. Like you I am in Queensland so if you are in Brisbane would like to hear from you some time.   

Regards
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Irene Lilian Hunt on Tuesday 22 June 10 14:42 BST (UK)
Hi Legion,

I have your Patrick George McArdell as marrying Maud Radford, my gr grandmother was his sister the eldest child of Patrick and Mary (nee Cleary) born in Feb 1862. 

I havent seen any reference to Patrick Snr as having the middle name William.  Even his will just gives the one name and also surname spelt McArdle.  I estimated his year of birth as 1829 but its more a guess.  Would love to hear from you to share info,  please contact me on (*)   I live in Gympie btw.

Cheers and thanks for responding,
Irene

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Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: LEGION on Wednesday 23 June 10 14:56 BST (UK)
Irene- Yes I have seen the name spelt both ways in the family as McArdel and McArdell. I have always been told it was two "ll" however that some of the family did spell it with one! There are a number of reasons I have been told as to why this was so. I would guess that your gr/mother being Patrick Georges older sister was Margaret (b 1862) ?  My wife has family in your area so I am up there from time to time and some of my family live on the North Coast. Look forward to a meeting and exchange of notes.

Best Regards
Title: McARDELL
Post by: annieinminnesota on Friday 02 July 10 14:49 BST (UK)
I am searching for McARDELLs in England and Ireland.  We have our McARDELLs in England back to the 1841 census:

Edward McArdell, b. c1797 in Dublin (according to info on his marriage record)(we have been unable to confirm this).
+ Anne Mary Stanley (m. 1821, St. Mary's (Church of England) (west of Deansgate), Manchester, England), bapt.  March 16, 1800, Manchester Cathedral, Manchester, England

Joseph, b. c1822, Manchester (he married Charlotte Fisher)
Margaret b. c1824 Manchester?
Edward, b. c1825, Manchester?
William, b. c1830,Salford, Manchester (he married Emma Brazier)
John, b. c1832, West Ham, Essex
James Edward, b. 1835, West Ham, Essex (he married Emma Cooper)  These are my ggrandparents, they immigrated in 1884 with 9 kids to the U.S. (10th child born as they were landing in Montreal), and we have all info on them to the present.
Henrietta Agnes, b. 1837, West Ham, Essex (she has been difficult to research, but have had help with some descendants, all major happenings in her life happened between census years, she is shown with her parents for every census till their deaths in 1871 and 1875)

Where they originated from in Ireland we really have no idea.  An uncle went to Dublin and was unable to find anything on Edward.

Any help or ideas on what to do to be able to go further backward in our family would be greatfully received.

Annie in Minnesota

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Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: sarkblue on Monday 06 September 10 12:07 BST (UK)
Irene- Was reading your info on McArdell family the names of the fathers and sons are the same in the family ands this trips people up. Patrick William McArdell (b.1834) and married at Oatlands in TAS in 1861 to Mary Cleary (b.1843) had 8 children. One of whom was Patrick George McArdell (b.1869). Patrick George married a Maud Radford (b.1892). They had 12 children. I know most of this firsthand as my G/Mother Kathleen (b.1904) was one of the children of Patrick and Maude. Like you I am in Queensland so if you are in Brisbane would like to hear from you some time.   

Regards

I would be grateful if you could let me know if you have any further information on Maud Radford eg place of birth and marriage. I am trying to trace my Great Aunt Maud who was born in 1892 in Suffolk UK but I can't find a marriage or death for her in UK.

<amy thansk
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Irene Lilian Hunt on Tuesday 07 September 10 09:21 BST (UK)
I doubt if its the same Maud Radford, as the one who married into McArdell family was married in from memory 1903 so not likely to be the one you are searching for.

Irene
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: sarkblue on Tuesday 07 September 10 09:40 BST (UK)
Thanks for that, it's just that 'LEGION' quoted your Maud Radford as being born 1892.

Best regards

Ian
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Ross_Reid on Monday 03 January 11 07:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Irene

Patrick and Mary McArdell were my great grand parents. I have photos of grave stones and more information so if oyu are interested please email me at (*)

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Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: LEGION on Wednesday 05 January 11 15:58 GMT (UK)
Dear Ross Reid

Can you tell me where you are in the family tree?. I know the surnames of most of Patrick and Maudes children (of whom there were 12). My G/Mother was Kathleen McArdell. Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards

 
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: LEGION on Wednesday 05 January 11 16:03 GMT (UK)
Dear Ross Reid

Read your post a 2nd time understand now that you are talking abou Patrick (SNR) married to Mary whereas I was refering to his son Patrick (JNR) whom married Maude!
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Gasser on Thursday 03 March 11 09:31 GMT (UK)
Ann McArdle/McArdall (b 1836) married Michael Beven (1815 Nenagh Tipperary - 7 Dec 1890 Oatlands, Tas) as his second wife on 9 July 1861 and they had one daughter, Eliza, on 5 May 1862. Michael Beven was transported for 10 years for housebreaking, arriving VDL on the Ratcliffe on 30 August 1845. Hope this is of some help.
Gasser
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Ross_Reid on Thursday 27 September 12 09:38 BST (UK)
Long time since I have been on as I have een on another project. I was in Hobart recently and did a lot of research. I did find out that my grandmother's sister, Mary Anne had correspondence with the Tas govt and she was very adamant that the family name was McArdle. I have a copy of correspondence stating that was the case.
Title: Re: McCARDLE/McARDELL
Post by: Gasser on Friday 28 September 12 01:20 BST (UK)
Ross, thanks for that. I'll change it on my tree. Since I posted about Ann McArdle and Michael Beven, I've found four more daughters after Eliza: Georgina Mary (26 July 1863, married Thos Jones (b 1863) on 27 Oct 1886 @ Oatlands; Winifred (28 Sept 1867); Theresa (14 Jan 1870) and Mary Claire (29 Sept 1875, married Donald Smith from Gundagai on 28 Jan 1914 in Hobart.