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Can anyone assist me i am looking for info about a John and Roderick Mcrae(spelt this way)
in the Ross/Cromarty area a place called Dingall springs to mind
A sister married into the Courage family
thankyou for any help regards spec :) 8)
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hi spec :)
found marriage courage/isabella mcrae 1886 dingwall ross & cromarty
could this be the line you are after ?
ev
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Hi Eve
thanks for the reply and yes that is the line ive been looking for
if you can assist with more info i would be grateful
regards spec
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hi
found the marriage on scotlandspeople
it was the only courage/mcrae marriage in scotland and since it was dingwall
ross & cromarty it seemed promising
although i worked out isabella i could not work out the man's first name
do you know what it is ?
maybe then we can see if they are on the census
ev
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It looks like Alfred to me - father David Courage, mother Jane, m.s (possibly) Herrard :-\
Isabella - father Roderick McRae, Mother Jessie m.s McLennan
Gadget
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Children of Roderick MacRae and Janet (Jessie) McLennan on the IGI:
Janet - b. 6 Dec 1856 Fodderty, R & C
Alexander - b. 26 June 1859 Fodderty, R & C
Isabella - b. 28 Jan 1862 Rosskeen, R & C
There may be others on Scotlands People - www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Gadget :)
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hi gadget
thats what i found as well , looking at the 1891 & 1901 census returns & IGI
but nothing came up on sp when you put in alfred so i wasn't sure
alfred courage - mother maybe jane gerard on the IGI father david - with birth 5th april 1865 st nicholas aberdeen
ev
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Have you found Isabella on the 1871?
the only one that I can find is in Fortrose (not far from Dingwall). Father is Roderick, aged 46, but mother is now Mary, also 46 :-\
Gadget
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Thanks for all the info it is Roderick Mcrae who is of interest
like who his parents were and were they came from
i am very new to all this and do appreciate the assistance
you all have given me
regards spec
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What are Roderick's approx. dates - is he son of Roderick and sister of Isabella?
Where have you info for him - Dingwall or Banff?
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RODERICK MCRAE AND JANET MCLENNAN WED AT CONTIN PARISH CHURCH IN 1850 HE LIVED IN TOLLIE?AT ONE TIME IF ANYONE CAN FIND OUT THERE PARENTS NAMES THAT WOULD BE GREAT I BELIEVE ISABELL WAS A DAUGHTER OF RODERICK AND JANETS
RODERICK DIED 15TH MAY 1871 AGED 47YRSAND BURIED AT MARYBANK IN THE URRAY PARISH? REGARDS SPEC
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Hi
If you know Roderick's date and place of death, you can go to Scotland's people www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and enter the details and be able to view the death cert which will give his parents' names. The same with Janet. It is a pay to view site but very reasonable.
It will cost 6 units or £1.20.
Gadget
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Hi Spec, this Dru, and I would like to contac you about the Courage and Mcrae families.
I am from Nova Scotia, Canada, and my husband's family are related to the Mcraes, Courages and Drummonds.
We are trying to search his family roots in Aberdeen.
Hoping you or someone else can help us.
Thank you, Dru.
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Hi Dru :)
I'm sure spec will be in touch but in the meantime, could you tell us what you'd like help with - some names and dates and places of how far back you've got would be a good starting point.
Regards
Gadget
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H
I Dru
it is my brother in law who is the Mcrae it is his second cousin Isabella who married
Alfred Courage the Drummonds are new to me.
David Courage married Jane Gerrard on 26 07 1861.They had two sons 1st son David born 09 10 1861 2nd son Alfred born 05 04 1865 he married Isabella Mcrae in Dingwall R
oss/Cromarty 1886.
Isabellas father was Roderick Mcrae born 1824 and he married Janet Maclennan at Contin parish church in december 1850.
he was a journeyman blacksmith and gravestone inscriber his death was at Marybank in the parih of Urray on May 15th 1871 aged 47 yrs
their children were JOHN b 1854 Janet b 1856 at Fodderty.Isabella b 1862 at Rosskeen and alexander b 1859at Fodderty.it is john b 1854 who was my brother in laws g grandad hope this is helpful regards spec
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Hi Spec,
Thank you so much for all the info. Your brother-in law's great-grandfather was my husband's great-grandmother's brother. She was Isabella.
Alfred Courage and Isabella Mcrae had 5 daughters, They were : Fredetta ( Etta ) Courage-- Bella Jane Courage...Alice Courage--Jessie Courage...And Mary Ann Courage.------Mary Ann married married Alexander Irvin Drummond, They had a son, Alexander Mcrae Drummond and I think when they immigrated to Canada, they had a daughter, Mary Etta Drummond.
Grandfather Drummond went to university in Aberdeen and became a Lawyer. We're trying hard to get info on the Drummond's place of birth.
Thank you to Gadget also....Dru
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Hi i SHALL LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU AND GET BACK TO YOU PROBIBLY MONDAY AS THE BROTHER IN LAW AND MY SISTER ARE VISITING ON SUNDAY
REGARDS SPEC
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Hi Spec,
Sorry for the delay in answering you. I'm very bad at figuring out what to do next !
Looking forwards to hearing from you next week. Dru.
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oh i say i thought i was the only one new at doing this i think i have just fathomed out from your last posting who belongs to who
i dont no how to leave my e mail address for you to contact me
as it was said it would be better not to divulge it?
anyway fingers xd for me finding some info out for you
regards spec
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spec :)
send email by personal message
it's the little green scroll thing on the left hand side
ev
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Spec - I'll send you a message on how to contact dru :)
Now what is it that you both want to know or shall I drw a chart and work it out and see what I can find?
Gadget :)
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Hi gadget
many thanks and if you could finf info that would be brill ;D
we are looking for the connection Drummond Mcrae and Courage
;)spec
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Hi spec
Based on the 1871 census, when mother Ann was living with him, this looks like your Roderick:
Urray, Ross & Cromarty, b. 13 June 1824, bpt. 16th June 1824. parents - Donald McRae and Ann Forsyth (IGI)
Gadget :)
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Donald and Ann had the following children bpt. Urray:
19 Nov 1813 - Alexander
26 Dec 1815 - John
30 Jan 1818 - Donald (must have died)
23 Mar 1820 - Donald
13 Dec 1821 - Jane
16 June 1824 - Roderick
8 Feb 1827 - Mary
14 June 1829 - Ann
10 June 1833 - Janet
Gadget :)
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WELL BLESSS YOU IF I COULD GIVE YOU A BLUE PETER BADGE I WOULD
:o :o :o
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Hello Gadget,
I'm searching for information on the family of " Alexander Irvin Drummond. All I know is that he was born around 1888, somewhere around Aberdeen, Inverness, ???
Alexander married MaryAnn Courage/Mcrae and they had a son, Alexander Mcrae Drummond, before they immigrated to Canada.
We find it hard to research without dates and names of cities, towns , etc.
Hoping someone can help. Thank you........Dru.
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Alexander Irvine Drummond was born 3 November 1888, Summerfield Place, Aberdeen. His parents were George Drummond, carter and Ann, maiden surname Kelman. They were married June 7th 1876(?), Turriff
gadget
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Wow Gadget,
We're soooo excited.!!.....Thank you. Who or what is Carter?
Would it be possible to find George and Ann's children, names and years of birth ? I think they had 3 boys and 1 girl.
Thank you.......Dru
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A`carter was someone who transpoted good around:
http://www.scotsfamily.com/occupations.htm
and scroll down to carter
I'll look the family up on the 1891 and 1901 census but I can't give you a full list as after 1875 births aren't up on the free familysearch site and I'd have to go to the pay to view site Scotlands People which I've done already with Alexander. You could register yourselves:
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I'll see what I can find on the censuses and then tell you how to do the searches for yourselves :)
Gadget
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Here are the family in 1891:
10 Summerfield Place Aberdeen
George Drummond, 36, carter, b. Gamrie, Banffshire
Annie, 36,b. Forgue, Aberdeenshire
George, 14, message boy, b. Aberdeen
William, 9, scholar, b. Aberrdeen
Annabella, 6, scholar, b. Aberrdeen
Alexander Irvine, 2, b. Aberdeen
Gadget
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Not a lot more in the 1901:
39 Summerfield Terrace, Aberdeen
George Drummond, 47, brewers carter, b. Gamrie, Banffshire
Ann, 47, b. Forgue, Banffshire
William, 19, stonecutter (apprentice), b. Aberdeen
Annabella, 16, printer compositor, b. Aberdeen
Alexander, 12, scholar, b.Aberdeen
Gadget :)
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George Drummond died July 1908. His parents were William Drummond and Elizabeth Burr
Gadget :)
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Ann Drummond (Kelman) died Oct 1913. Her parents were John Kelman and Isabella Reaper.
Gadget
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Isabellas father was Roderick Mcrae born 1824 and he married Janet Maclennan at Contin parish church in december 1850.
he was a journeyman blacksmith and gravestone inscriber his death was at Marybank in the parih of Urray on May 15th 1871 aged 47 yrs
Hi spec
The death certificate of Roderick has him married to Anne Matheson and no mention of Janet Mclennan. Do you know when Janet died?
Gadget
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I think you've got the wrong Roderick Macrae! The blacksmith one who died May 1871 was married to Ann Matheson on 28th March 1851, Urray. As we have a marriage to Janet (Jessie)Maclennan in 1850 and children of the couple to 1862, at least, I think you've got the wrong man.
Gadget
Children of Roderick MacRae and Janet (Jessie) McLennan on the IGI:
Janet - b. 6 Dec 1856 Fodderty, R & C
Alexander - b. 26 June 1859 Fodderty, R & C
Isabella - b. 28 Jan 1862 Rosskeen, R & C
There may be others on Scotlands People - www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Gadget :)
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The marriage certificate of Isabella Mcrae and Alfred Courage, 29 Jan 1886, which ev and I looked at a while ago, has Isabella's parents as both still alive and Roderick's occupation stated as general labourer.
Could you go back to your brother in law and mention that he's got the wrong death. Also the information that i gave you yesterday about Donald Mcrae and Ann Forsyth will not apply to this family.
Gadget
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This is the family that you want:
1881
8 Grant Street, Dingwall
Roderick McRae, 58, House Thatcher, b. Fodderty
Jessie, 57, b. Lochbroom
Bella, 19, b. Rosskeen
Gadget
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There is a possible death for Janet/Jessie McLennan, Dingwall 1909.
So far, I can't find a possible death for Roderick.
Gadget
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In 1891:
14 Mill Street, Dingwall
Roderick McRae, 71, Agricultural Labourer, b. Fodderty
Jessie, 60, b. Lochcarron
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The 1909 (January 29th) death for Jessie/Janet must be correct as it lists her as being married to Roderick McRae, thatcher - which he was in 1881. She died at the address listed on the 1891 census - 14 Mill Street, Dingwall. Unfortunately, the informant was a John Fraser, grandson and gave no information about her parents except that they were McLennan
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I'm a bit confused. Who were William Drummond, Married, Elizabeth Burr: and Henry Drummond, married Isabella Thomson ? I can"t seem to place them in their right order.
We plan on going to Scotland's People.....Thank you, our family is delighted !!
Regards, Dru.
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Hi Dru
William Drummond and Elizabeth Burr were George Drummond's father - George was Alex Drummond's father.
Your chart would go something like this:
William Drummond = Elizabeth Burr John Kelman = Isabella Reaper = ? Robertson
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George Drummond = Ann Kelman
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Alexander Irvine Drummond
I don't know believe that Henry and Isabella are the same family. I thought that they might be but I can't see a link.
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thanks Gadget i must admit to my bubble being burst could Roderick Mcraes parents have been Roderick Mcrae and Jean Campbell OR Murdoch Mcrae and Catherine Mciver
or am i clutching at straws
thanks spec
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Hi Spec
It's a bit difficult - I can't find a death for your real Roderick yet - I've had a look and it seems that he might have been alive when Jessie died but :-\ :-\ :-\
I'll keep looking for you. This shoud give his parents. Ages on the censuses are a bit hit or miss - our ancestors weren't always too helpful! The only consistent thing is that he was born Fodderty.
It must not be nice to find that the death/tombstone is not the correct one. I used what you said about the 1871 death and then I didn't feel it fitted somehow - maybe 6th sense - and then found that it was the wrong one :'(
Gadget
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Hi Gadget thanks for that
i no Rodders(i call him)one of his offspring was John Mcraeborn 1852 at Dingwall
and died 1916 at Blaydon on Tyne England .He married a Jane Anderson Sime or SIMESSHE WAS BORN 1860 AND DIED IN 1934 AGAIN AT bLAYDON on Tyne
i no rodders was a house thatcher as on Johns marraige cert, it says he was John and Jane wed in ST FERGUS BANFF in 1880 and her parents were George Sime and Mary Hird
thanks again also for the help youve given dru
regards spec
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I'll keep looking, Spec :)
Ironically, I have lived off and on in Rossshire for 20 years and now live in Newcastle (not Blaydon) :)
Gadget
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:o
well it is ironic as i live near Ryton(a small world )
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:o :o :o
It might be easier for us to sit down and work it out on the Scotswood Bridge ;D
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Oh yes that would go down with the motorists
i was in Asda today shopping then went to Ikea
oh that place you seem to walk for miles
i shall have to get some plants for the baskets
you never no we may get some summer :)
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Hi Spec :D
I'm wondering if Roderick was a widower when he married Janet.
Here they are on the 1851 census
Kinnellan, Contin
Roderick McRae, 30, farm servant, b. Fodderty
Janet, 22, b. Lochbroom
Ann,daughter, 9, b. Ferintosh
Farquhar, son, 5, b. Fodderty
William, son, 2, b. Fodderty
I don't think that Janet is old enough to have had Ann. I've checked their marriage entry (1850) and Janet is Janet McLennan of Kinnellan.
This is interesting!
Gadget
(I know the shorcuts in Ikea ;) )
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At the moment, the most probably - and nothing to prove it yet - is this:
bpt. Fodderty 24 July 1822 John Mcrae - parents : Kenneth Mcrae and Ann Campbell
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WHO ARE FARQUAR AND WILLIAM ????? THESE ARE NEWTO ME.
SHORT CUTS IN iKEA I WENT TO nEWCASTLE HAVNT BEEN FOR
A LONG LONG TIME WENT INTO eLDON sQUARE BY gREYS mONUMENT
AND CAME OUT THE SAME WAY I WENT IN.NOW THATS SAD
MY FAMILY THOUGHT IT WAS HILARIOUS
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Oh dear - I think you'll need some guidance there ;D
I've only just discovered these. I'm trying to discover who they are. I'll report back :)
Gadget
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MUCH OBLIGED TAKE CARE
REGARDS SPEC 8)
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1861
Dalmore, Rosskeen (where Isabella was born in 1862)
Roderick MacRae, 40, ploughman, b. Fodderty
Janet, 30, b. Lochbroom
William, 11, b. Fodderty
John, 8, b. Dingwall
Mary, 6, b. Contin
Jessie, 4, b. Fodderty
Alexander, 1, b. Fodderty
::) ::) ::)
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1871
Newton Farm, Kiltearn
Roderick MacRae, 50, farm servant, b. Fodderty
Jessie, 41, b. Lochbroom
Mary, 16, b. Fodderty
Jessie, 14, b. Fodderty
Alex, 12, b. Fodderty
Isabella, 9, b. Rosskeen
Then we move to 1881:
1881
8 Grant Street, Dingwall
Roderick McRae, 58, House Thatcher, b. Fodderty
Jessie, 57, b. Lochbroom
Bella, 19, b. Rosskeen
An interesting family :)
Gadget
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To summarise the children of Roderick and/or Jessie:
Children of Roderick from 1851 census:
Ann - b.c. 1842, Feriintosh
Farquhar, b.c. 1846, Fodderty
William,b.c. 1849, Fodderty
Children of Roderick and Janet/Jessie from 1861-1881 censuses:
John, b.c. 1853, Dingwall
Mary, b.c. 1855, Contin
Jessie (Janet), b.c.1857, Fodderty - IGI 1856
Alexander, b.c. 1860, Fodderty - IGI 1859
Isabella, b.c. 1862, Rosskeen - IGI -1862
I'll try and find more about the new ones tomorrow.
Gadget
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The 1841 census is more difficult to identify people on. This is a possible for Roderick
Tollie, Fodderty
Alexander McKenny, 70 +, farmer,
Jannet, 65-69, ag lab
Anne, 25-29
Roderick McRae, 15-19, Male Servant
James McKenzie, 12, Male Servant
William McKenzie, 12, Male Servant
Gadget
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Nearest that I can find for Janet:
Baptism 16 August 1829, Lochbroom - Janet McLennin. Father John McLennan (IGI)
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I've finally found them in Dingwall on the 1901 - very badly interpreted as MacHal ::)
14 Mill Street, Dingwall
Roderick MacRae, 79, b. Fodderty
Jessie, 70, b. Lochbroom
So - to find Roderick's death - maybe it was after Jessie after all :-\
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Still having problems locating Roderick's death - could he have moved to Banff or somewhere else after Jessie died. I've not yet tried Inverness which is a possibility.
In 1841, Janet is already working in Leckmelm, Lochbroom (this is a few miles east of Ullapool, overlooking Loch Broom).
The household marks on the census page are confusing, She is either living alone or in the household of Roderick McDonald, a crofter, age 75, and his family:
Janet McLennan, 10, Female Servant, born County
Gadget
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Hi Gadget many thanks for theinfo.can i run this by you please
1 Old Pit Winlaton
Roderick b 1881 at St Fergus
JESSIE aged 17yrs b1884
'FLORA aged 15yrs b1886
GEORGE aged13yrs b 1888
ALEX aged 11yrs b 1890
JOHN THOMAS AGED 9YRS B 1892
EVA AGED 6YRS B 1895
ALFRED aged 2yrs b 1899
ROBERT DINGWALL b 19 nov,1901
these childrens parents were JOHN McRAE and Jane Sime(s)
Johns dad was Roderick and mother was Janet McLENNAN
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Without any birth or death record for Roderick it is difficult to draw any conclusions.
John (possibly Jessie's father) and Alexander seems to crop up consistently.
Gadget
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i AM PLUMPING FOR 1826 WHEN HE WAS BORN ::) ;D
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Not sure about that. Here are his census ages:
1901 - 79 - b.c. 1821/2
1891 - 71 - b.c. 1819/1820
1881 - 58 - b.c. 1822/3
1871 - 50 - b.c. 1820/1
1861 - 40 - b.c. 1820/21
1851- 30 - b.c. 1820/21
1841 - 15-19 - b.c. 1821/2 - 1825
Gadget
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wonderful i shall try and find this illusive chap
regards spec
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Hi Gadget
Wel i have searched but can not find Rodericks parents
it is so frustrating (i think he must have been adopted ::))
Now thats a cop out!!
Never mind thanks for all your help
Regards spec :)
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At the moment, the most probably - and nothing to prove it yet - is this:
bpt. Fodderty 24 July 1822 John Mcrae - parents : Kenneth Mcrae and Ann Campbell
Only one we have :-\
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Thats lovley and as i said many thanks
you take care regards spec