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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: helen-darleen on Thursday 24 April 08 13:04 BST (UK)
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i am trying to find any info on my grand parents, they were frederick waldie,born 1884 glasgow his dad frederick waldie (railway guard}and bridget, nee dorgan. marrage 1882 cork.
my grandmother was ethel morley and they did not marry . lived Richmond Australia. both buried Box hill cemetry melbourne. have not found when he came to Aust. in fact can not find any thing else but what is here. Can someone help to steer me in the right direction please? thanks helen.
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Hi Helen :)
This looks like Frederick and parents in the 1891 census:
Frederick Waldie 34, railway guard, b. Glasgow
Bridget Waldie 30, b. Ireland
Campbell Waldie 7, b. Ireland
Frederick Waldie 6, b. Glasgow
Mary Waldie 5, b. Glasgow
Douglas Waldie 3, b. Glasgow
Catherine Waldie 2, b. Glasgow
Bessie Waldie 2 Mo, b. Glasgow
Address: 12 Thistle St, Glasgow Govan
Monica
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And in 1901. As I mentioned in my other post on the Midlothian board, Frederick Snr.'s wife is showing as Janet. I would image that Bridget died between censuses and Frederick has remarried:
Frederick Waldie 43, crane fireman, b. Campsie
Janet Waldie 46, b. Glasgow
Campbell Waldie 17, Steam-lammer Driver, b. Glasgow
Frederick Waldie 16, Saw-mill Labourer, b. Glasgow
John Waldie 12, b. Glasgow
Lizzie Waldie 4, b. Govan
Janet Waldie 2, b. Govan
Address: 5 Elphinstone St, Govan
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Frerick Snr. birth entry I would imagine given the name of father showing:
FREDERICK WALDIE Birth: 25 JUL 1857 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland
Parents:CAMPBELL WALDIE and JOANNA KEIN
One other child showing to this couple; DOUGLAS CAMPBELL WALDIE Christening: 07 JAN 1855 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland.
This looks to be Frederick with father Campbell and brother Douglas (maybe mother has died):
Campbell Waldie 30, chelsea pensioner, b. Edinburgh ( :) maybe this takes you back to the Midlothian board)
Dauglas Waldie 7
Frederick Waldie 3, b. Lewistown, Stirlingshire
Address: 16 Broomielaw, Clyde Glasgow
Not easily seeing either father Campbell or Frederick son in 1871/81 censuses. Maybe in Ireland if Frederick married Bridget in Cork?
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Well done Monica
Using the info posted to date.
Bridget died on 21st September 1911, in Buchanan Street, Parish of Balfron, Stirling. Definitely her.
Helen, If you send me a pm - shall send you the entry - fairly clear.
Regards, Steve :O)
Link to map of area with Buchanan Street lying north south.
http://www.dgnscrn.demon.co.uk/genuki/STI/Balfron/index.html
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That's great Steve :) I'm curious, is she still showing as married to Frederick at her death (I couldn't see a death for her up to 1901 or a remarriage for Frederick Snr. to a Janet). 'Janet' may of course simply be a mis transcription from the original image.
Monica
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Hello Monica
She's down as still married to Frederick - have sent you a pm explaining the reason. It's definitely her in 1911.
I'd a look as well and didn't find Frederick marrying between 1891 and 1901 - that's why I extended the search. Shall go and have a look for his death now - assuming he died in Scotland..
Steve :O)
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On 20 June 1914 at 89 Bath Street Glasgow - by declaration of Sherrifs Warrant, Frederick - now a 56 yr old dock labourer (widower), living at 19 Blackburn Street, Glasgow married a 61 year old widow, Janet Brown - of the same address.
Fredericks parents - Campbell Waldie and Mary Kean - both deceased
Janets parents - George Thomson and Helen Munro - both deceased
A quick search of SP shows a 58 yr old Frederick Waldie dying only 2 yrs later in 1916 in the 'Plantation' district of Glasgow, GROS data 644/20 0308 - no download of extract (search for death carried out Scotland wide from 1914 to 1960 - he was the only one).
Regards, Steve :O)
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They are an unsual combination of names Steve....they are the only one showing with those names!
1841 Census entry for Campbell Waldie in Preston, Sussex, England:
Campbell Waldie, 30, private in Scots Reg., b. Scotland
Also a likely entry for him and wife in 1851 in Canterbury Kent England:
Campbell Waldie 42. private soldier
Johannah Waldie 32, b. Cork, Ireland
We know that by 1855 they are in Stirling with at least sons Douglas and Frederick whose births show in Scotland and in the 1861 census.
This looks to be their marriage in England:
Marriages Dec 1842
Keine Joanna Exeter 10 171
Waldie Campbell Exeter 10 171
Monica
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Likely birth entry for Campbell:
CAMPBELL WALDIE Birth: 17 JAN 1810 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Parents:ARCHIBALD WALDIE and GRACE WEBSTER
Monica
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Campbell looks to have remarried:
CAMPBELL WALDIE Marriages:Spouse: CHARLOTTE STEWART
Marriage: 17 SEP 1861 Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland
Looking at his marriage details confirms that 1810 birth in Edinburgh and parents. Both Campbell and Charlotte are showing as widowed. There is also this birth to parents Campbell Waldie and Charlotte Glendinning (Stewart is certainly her maiden name /Glendinning her previous married name? ):
CAMPBELL WALDIE Birth: 07 AUG 1870 High Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
It was maybe after the birth of newborn son Campbell that the family (including Frederick?) left Scotland?.
Monica
ADDED:
Possible first marriage for Charlotte:
CHARLOTTE STEWART Marriages:Spouse: THOMAS GLENDINNING
Marriage: 05 AUG 1843 Low Church, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
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Ooops, I spoke too soon. Campbell Snr. looks to have died the same year as the birth of his son Campbell:
1870 WALDIE CAMPBELL 59 ABBEY BURGH /RENFREW 559/01 0427
Monica
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And death details for Frederick's mother and Campbell's first wife:
1860 WALDIE JOANNA KEANE F U CAMPSIE /STIRLING 475/00 0049
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:) A sister to Campbell, sadly her death entry, on the Canongate Burial Register at www.scotsfind.org
Oct 1820: Henrietta Willilminia Potts Waldie, daughter of Archibald Waldie, spirit dealer, from small pox age 14 at Leith Wynd (place of death).
Occupation for Archibald matches that on Campbell's marriage cert.
Monica
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thankyou to alll who have helped me. its amazing. do we know when frederick jnr came to australia? could he have came first to n.z or tasmania? and how?
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Hi Helen
It would be worthwhile you asking the question on emigration on the Australian and New Zealand Boards where people with better access to this type of info will hopefully be able to point you in the right direction. The name Frederick Waldie is relatively uncommon which should help with searches (as Steve and I have found!):
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,165.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,299.0.html
It would help if you put a link to the post here so that people can see the background to the family and not repeat any searches:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300858.0.html
I've sent you a personal message on the 1901 census entry for Bridget, Frederick's mother.
Good luck with everything :)
Monica