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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: RosemaryJoan on Wednesday 23 April 08 17:14 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me where this Church of Ireland church would have been (or still is!). This is a family marriage:
James Ross,widower, Tullaghagarley married Jane Smith, Teeshan on 11/12/1852.
by licence , marriage performed by Rev. W. Tyrrell
Ahoghill Church of Ireland,Ballymena.
This is my g.g.grandfather who I know lived in the Tullaghgarley just south of Ballymena. I am trying to figure out which church's records I need to search for their children's baptisms.
RosemaryJoan
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There are two townlands in County Antrim called Tullagarley- would this be the townland name? (one in Connor Parish and one in Ahoghill Parish).
Church of Ireland website listing for Diocese of Connor:
www.ireland.anglican.org/index.php?do=information.dioceses&page=parishes&id=64
St. Colmanell, Ahoghill: not 100% certain but don't think that the church records have been microfilmed by PRONI.
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Hello Aghadowey, It was the Townland in Connor where my g.g.grandfather apparently lived. I know this because he bought graves in Old Ballyclug graveyard and is in fact buried there. He and Jane SmithIif it is the same Jane Smith) had a son after Civil registration came in and that son is buried there (age 16). Jane Smith came from Teeshan, so I suppose they married in her church. If it is St. Colmanell's church, I have already paid PRONI to search their records and also some of the Presbyterian churches in the area. My g.grandmother was born in 1858 and I can't find proof of her birth. I think my brick wall still stands, unless I can find her in another adjacent C of I church.
RosemaryJoan
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Tullygarley (Tullaghgarley) is a townland between Ballymena and Galgorm (it is adjacent to the Galgorm Castle Estate grounds) ... and Galgorm is, as they say, only a kick in the (ahem) off Ahoghill.
Teeshan is very near a townland called Tullygrawley .. would that mean anything?
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Hello Blackadder, I wish they had called the Tullygarleys something else! It is so difficult to sort them out. My g.g.grandfather was James Ross of Tullygarley (don't know which - yet). He married Jane Smith of Teeshan in 1852 in Ahoghill C of I. I have had the C of I records searched but no children to that couple in the records.
In 1875 James Ross bought 4 graves in Old Ballyclug Graveyard. We have the receipt! Can't figure out who he bought the graves for. I have a list of all the Ross's buried there and he is among them.
In 1864 he and Jane Smith had a son, also James, who died at the age of 16 and is buried in Ballyclug. His birth was recorded in Galgorm.
However, my g.grandmother Elizabeth Ross was probably born in 1858. She had a brother William Ross, born 1855 (he is buried in the family grave in Belfast), but so far I haven't found any record of their baptisms. This is the missing link in my family tree. I might have to pay a researcher to find them. RosemaryJoan
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Tullaghgarley, Connor had no Ross names in 1862 Griffiths.
Tullaghgarley, Ahoghill had two Ross entries - a Francis Ross and a James Ross.
Both lie on OS Map 37, which covers the borders of Ahoghill, Connor and Drummaul Parishes. I understand that the Tullagharleys are adjoining townlands (probably in effect one townland) but stradling two Parishes.
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Tullygarley (Tullaghgarley) is a townland between Ballymena and Galgorm (it is adjacent to the Galgorm Castle Estate grounds) ... and Galgorm is, as they say, only a kick in the (ahem) off Ahoghill.
Teeshan is very near a townland called Tullygrawley .. would that mean anything?
You've got me lost ...
Would I be heading past Galgorm when going to Ahoghill passing Lisnafillan and Gracehill ???
Is Teeshan not out the Ballymoney line ... near where the ring road joins the Ballymena - Ballymoney road?
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Now now boys, no fighting - it's only a bit of fun! RosemaryJoan
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Scotmum, on a more serious note. I am pretty positive that the James Ross you mention is mine - but I still can't prove it until I find his children's baptisms. This one of my brick walls. Thanks for the input. RosemaryJoan
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/03by/ Map of the Tullaghgarley, Craigs Parish (no one by surname Ross in 1862), beyond Teeshan.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03bz/ Map of Tullaghgarley near and Tullaghgarley far, which straddle Ahoghill Parish and Connor Parish.
Bear in mind the spelling of the townland name in each Parish has a number of variations over the years.
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Scotmum - Thanks for the links. The graveyard where I still own 4 graves is marked, just north of the name Ballylesson. I am positive that my James Ross was the one in Tullygarley (either near or far). RosemaryJoan
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Thought seeing the townlands on the maps might help and yes, the graveyard is marked.
The James Ross, Tullagharley, Ahoghill Parish in Griffiths was on land that had five other houses on it. His was recorded as f and was the only one on this piece of land that had 'Free' under Immediate Lessor. The description was House and garden, 0A. 0R. 32P. His RAV was 5s for the land and £1 5s for the property. In neighbouring houses were a Samuel Curry, b William M'Ilhagel, c Unoccupied, d David M'Micken and e Anne Thompson. Samuel Curry leased his land from Reps. George Joy then sub-let houses to the others, except Ross. b to e did not lease any of the land.
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Yes, it puzzles me that the house was freehold. That must surely mean that he owned it. He was a labourer in 1864 but by the time his daughter (my g.grandmother) married, he was a farmer. His father was also James Ross, a farmer and I suspect that he was either the one in Craigs or the one in Ballymuckvea (Connor). Might see if I can find a death for Jane Ross, his wife. RosemaryJoan
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Labourer/Farmer seemed to be inter-changed frequently on various records in some of my lines. Just seemed to depend on who was giving the information or how the person receiving the information decided to record it.
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ASk any punter in Ballymena where Tullygarley is and they will say - out the Galgorm Road, turn right at Dan's Road and there you are ... (if you kept going out the Galgorm Road you would then reach Lisnafillan and then Gracehill and then Ahoghill!) Check yer google maps folks.
TullyGRAWLEY (very often confused with Tullygarley/Tullaghgarley) on the other hand is pretty much a small field''s distance away from Teeshan.
So there youse are.
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Who's yer man Dan then and why does he need a road ??? It's strange about roads and streets and the like. Christian names tend to be connected to streets which are located in urban areas whilst surnames seem to be more commonly attached to roads in rural areas.
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Dunno about Dan but good question!
As you say with surnames etc we have Pat's Brae in the centre of the town ... Wellington Street I can understand, but who was yer man Pat?
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You guys in Ballymena are so informal. Shortening names makes it difficult to know which historical people in the town might have had Braes and Roads named in their honour.
I know that one or two of the streets in the city of Belfast are named after historical characters. Ballymoney Street was a sensible idea. What about Mill Street ... was there a mill there at one stage? Wasn't there a Clarence Hotel there at one time? Who was he?
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Blackadder - I'll try to get a flight over and follow your directions. Ta. I think I'll stick to the Ahoghill research first.
RosemaryJoan
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Chris - re Mill Street .. in those days you could see the Braidwater Mill from Mill STreet .. which lead on to Bridge Street and at the Harryville Bridge you had the Mill Gates.
Rose - if you ever get over call into the Times office and I'll take you round.
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Thanks Blackadder, I visited Broughshane two years ago, for the first time - looking for my Anderson roots - found them - just the Ross's causing trouble now. RosemaryJoan