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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: hiraeth on Tuesday 22 April 08 23:43 BST (UK)
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Does any one know when the Clwyd FHS transcripts for Wrxham 1812-1837 will be published/available??
thanks
Heather
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I suggest you send a message concerning this to the Rootsweb Clwyd List,where Jennifer Bland-Roberts the Parish Registers Coordinator for Clwyd FHS will maybe be able to provide an answer.I was looking at the very Baptisms this morning at the A.N.Palmer Museum at Wrexham.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Thank you William :)
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Hello Heather,
Who are you looking for in Wrexham 1812-1837?
If you don't mind me asking ;D
Paul.
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Hi Paul :)
By the time we are finished you might be sorry you asked ;D ;D I'm trying to untangle some Carringtons. They are a very confusing lot ;D ;D
Could I ask you please to check for these baptisms in Wrexham and if located, advise the father's names?
Thomas Carrington August 29, 1824
Anne Carrington January 1, 1826
Noah Carrington July 3, 1831
I'm trying to verify if their father was a Thomas C or a Francis C. Mother's name will probably be Mary. the Minera PRs have a possible brother Moses, s/o Thomas & Mary bapt Oct 7, 1827 and a John (1829-1902) s/o Francis & Mary
There is a Wrexham marriage November 8, 1823 between a Mary ROGERS and either Thomas or Francis Carrington (1792.1847). I was told by cousins that the marriage was for Francis. Now I've been told by another researcher that the marriage was for a Thomas C. If in fact this is Thomas's marriage, who did Francis marry?? Or if it was Francis, did Thomas marry someone else?? So now I'm really confused ::)
I think that both of them were sons of my 4G GF - Thomas, a base son with Elizabeth Hughes, baptized in Wrexham August 5, 1783, and Francis, legit s/o Thomas C & Jane Foulkes. My 3G GF was another son John born 1795 who married Barbara Jones in Wrexham 1820. I haven't discovered any other information on Thomas junior other than the baptism and he was not mentioned in his father's will from 1827.
Mary Rogers Carrington apparently died and was buried on October 1, 1832 (Wrexham?). There may be a notation as to her husband's name which might help figure this out as well.
Hope you can help ;)
Heather
PS I've just been reading Francis will where he mentions he is the father of Thomas, Anne, Moses, John & Noah by his first wife and Robert by his second wife. ???
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Hi Heather.
I checked the 1832 to 1837 St Giles micro film and there were no Carrington marriages.
The 1813 - 1832 is on another reel and I didn`t have time yesterday.
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hi Annette
Thank you for looking :) Rhian sent me Francis' second marriage certificate from 1841 where he is described as a widower so we know he married somebody somewhere!!
H
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Hello Heather. Have you ever felt sorry you ever asked? ;D ;D ;D Here we go.
Thomas 1824, abode Minera. Anne 1826, abode Minera. Noah 1831, abode Bersham. Baptised Wrexham. Children of Francis & Mary Carrington.
Moses 1827, abode Minera. S/O Francis & Mary Carrington. Baptised Minera.
March 8 1829. John. S/O Thomas & Mary Carrington. abode Minera. baptised Minera.
Not sure if you have these. Wrexham baptisms. Children of John & Barbara Carrington. Minera. Miner.
Nov 8 1823. Barbara.
Aug 16 1825. Francis.
July 31 1831. Ann.
Wrexham Marriage. Nov 8 1823.
Francis Carrington(X) Bachelor. o t p. and Miner.
Mary Rogers(X) Spinster. o t p.
Witnesses.Morgan Rogers(X) and James Cooper
Have a look. If there is anything I've missed or anything else let me know over the weekend and I'll have a look on Monday.
Paul.
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Dear Paul
Thank you for your help. Believe it or not this particular generation was relatively easy - best not to ask about the later ones as it got much worse as time went on ;D ;D. I have 25 John Carringtons, 21 Francis Carringtons and 14 Thomas Carringtons in my grandfather's Carrington tree.....
Heather
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Do you have Wrexham Marriage. Nov 16 1844.
John Roberts(X). full age. bachelor. Miner. Bersham. Father, Robert. Lab
Anne Carrington(X). full age. spinster. cottager. Father, Francis. Miner.
Witnesses. Azenah? Jones and Sarah Jones.
Minera. Marriage 1853.
Thomas Carrington. full age. bachelor. Collier. Coed poeth. Father, Francis. Miner.
Sarah Hughes(X) full age. Servant. Rhosllan????. Father, Samuel. Lab.
Witnesses. John Carrington(X) and Margaret Micheal(X).
Minera. Feb 7 1857.
Moses Carrington. 29. bachelor. Collier. Minera. Father, Francis. Miner.
Harriet Williams. 24. spinster. Minera. Father, William. Publican.
Witnesses. Noah Carrington and Martha Williams.
I don't mind looking for them. If you can work out who's who :P
Paul
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Hi Paul
Thanks to a great start from a Carrington cousin, who is also the new editor of Hel Achau, I have nearly all the Carringtons mapped out from the 1840's on. (Cue an enormous sigh of relief from rootschatters!)
We may never be able to prove conclusively where John Carrington and Anne Blunt came from when they married in 1743 but now that the tenth generation is coming "on line" their descendant count is well over 400 - and that's just the ones I've been able to trace through the censuses and various cousins. Many of the girls married Joneses, Roberts & Williams etc and their descendants are very difficult to follow - as we all know ;D
Heather
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Not sure if you have these. Wrexham baptisms. Children of John & Barbara Carrington. Minera. Miner.
Nov 8 1823. Barbara.
Aug 16 1825. Francis.
July 31 1831. Ann.
Paul.
Hi Paul
I've been reviewing all these dates and wonder if I could impose on you to doublecheck the year of baptism for Francis - my 2xG grandfather. I have him down as 1828 not 1825?? Censuses and death certificate all match with 1828 - typo??
There should also be a
Frances (Alice) d/o John & Barbara July 21, 1821 and a
Thomas s/o John & Barbara April 1, 1826
floating around there somewhere as well ::)
They really are the most exasperating family. A lot easier to find than Jones but frustrating to put in place and stay there ;D ;D ;D
Thanks
Heather
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Not sure if you have these. Wrexham baptisms. Children of John & Barbara Carrington. Minera. Miner.
Nov 8 1823. Barbara.
Aug 16 1825. Francis.
July 31 1831. Ann.
Paul.
Hi Paul
I've been reviewing all these dates and wonder if I could impose on you to doublecheck the year of baptism for Francis - my 2xG grandfather. I have him down as 1828 not 1825?? Censuses and death certificate all match with 1828 - typo??
There should also be a
Frances (Alice) d/o John & Barbara July 21, 1821 and a
Thomas s/o John & Barbara April 1, 1826
floating around there somewhere as well ::)
They really are the most exasperating family. A lot easier to find than Jones but frustrating to put in place and stay there ;D ;D ;D
Thanks
Heather
Very sorry Heather, Francis baptism was 1828 not 1825 :-[. Not sure if it was a typo :-\ more likely famous grouse, it always makes me mistake 8's for 5's :P
There is Alice July 21 1821. and Thomas April 1 1826 ::).
Paul.
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I'll keep that in mind ;D ;D ;D
H
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Have you got the Wern baptisms for 4 children of David Cadwalladr and Alice Carrington. Between 1821 and 1837. ???
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Have you got the Wern baptisms for 4 children of David Cadwalladr and Alice Carrington. Between 1821 and 1837. ???
Hi wilcoxon :)
Yes I think so? ?
Thomas Jan 1, 1821
Jane Sep 27, 1828
Abraham May 5, 1834
Aaron May 18, 1832
I don't have dates for David c1818, Robert c1835 or Miriam c1837
thanks for asking ;)
Heather
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Yes , there is Jane 1828 Thomas 1821 Abraham 1834, but no Aaron.
There is an `daughter` unnamed 13 Aug 1837.
I am so glad I kept these photos seeing as the Red zone has gone. :(
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I guess the daughter was Miriam!! :) :)
Thanks :D
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Hi - I wondered whether anyone could help me.
I am looking for info on Thomas Ellis (born Whittington Shropshire in 1818) I have been given an obit from the Wrexham advertiser 2nd Aug 'Death of an old Ruabonite' and 9th Aug 'Death of Mr Thomas Ellis Coatbridge' 1884 where he is said to have been living 'near Wrexham' in about 1840
I am also looking for James Leonard (born 1788 Wolverley Staffs)
Thomas Ellis married Sarah Leonard in 1840 in Ripponden Yorks) By the 1851 census both these families are in Glasgow in the Iron and Steel business - I have searched for them nationwide in the 1841 census with no success.
Names are James, Elizabeth,Thomas, Mary Anne, John, Sarah, Joseph, James, William, Bibey and Moses Leonard. and Thomas Ellis. They were associated with New British Iron Works and the Pontcysyllte Iron Works
If anyone is interested in these families I have lots of info on their lives in Scotland and Australia
Any info gratefully received
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re post by birtles 21 Feb 2009
I am descendant of James Leonard born Wolverley Worcs 1789 and ancestor of the Leonards you mention
I have a sketchy history of the family in Coatbridge and their connection with the North British and Phoenix Ironworks.
Are you interested? I am a beginner and am not sure how to contact you
golf188
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Hi
where are you??? With the wonders of progress I am in Italy on holiday but live near(ish) London, England
Email me at (*)- we will be back home next week
I expect we have plenty of info to swap - some of the Leonard family are in Australia, some I guess are still in Scotland tho I haven't traced any of them. I would expect them to all be staunch Wesleyan Methodists - 2 of Thomas and Sarah Ellis's daughters married ministers
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re birtles
I am not permitted PM until I have posted 3 messages. This is my second. Your e-mail address was censored in accordance with rootschats policy (?)
I live in a village 30 miles north of Edinburgh.
My son carried out some research a number of years asgo but eventually hit a brick wall.
I have a photograph of Thomas Ellis burial ground.
I must try to put my material in some sort of order - it has not been touched for several years
However Joseph Jones married Sarah Watton on 15 Jan 1758
They had offspring Comfort Jones born Kingswinford (?)married John Scriven born Brierley Hill (?)
They had offspring Sarah Scriven born 1785 Brierley Hill married James Leonard born 1789 Wolverley Worcs.
James Leonard died 16 Jul 1864 John Street Coatbridge
Sarah Scriven or Leonard died 14 Feb 1867 John Street Coatbridge
They had offspring Thomas Leonard 1815 Mary Ann Leonard 1815 John Leonard 1817 James Leonard 1817 Joseph Leonard 1818 Sarah Leonard 1821 William Leonard 1825 Biby Leonard 1828 and Moses Leonard 1829 all Brierley Hill
Sarah Leonard married Thomas Ellis born 30 Dec 1818 Whittinton Shrops
etc
golf188
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Hi - I can give you lots more info - portraits of Thomas and Sarah Ellis are in the Coatbridge museum for instance - last time I spoke to the gent who runs this museum he did say that they might put them on display - they need a bit of tlc and cleaning. The factory North British Iron Works became a racecourse and is now an Asda carpark (how the mighty have fallen..) but there is still an Ellis Street and a Whittington Street nearby. Interesting that when I did find Thomas Ellis x Sarah Leonard mar cert (28 Dec 1840 Ripponden Yorks) she signs with a mark so is illiterate. I have Comfort Jones baptism 23 Sep 1764 Kingswinford. I also have wills for some of the family & 2 for the Leonards that were born in Australia. According to an obit for Thomas Ellis he was orphaned at a young age
Re 'getting things in order' I started off using the free software Legacy and then bought the paid for version.
I am still in Italy - perhaps a 3rd email to this site will allow you to contact me? Or maybe I am allowed to contact you??? Let's see!!
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Thank you for your advice. I have the family tree on Family Tree Maker but a small box of handwritten notes, not all of them entered in Tree Maker. I am computer illiterate. My eldest son who was the driving force is on holiday in France.
We Have a direct line from James Leonard to the present with some collateralls. We ran out of puff when we could find no forebears for James Leonard, found that the ironworks had been demolished as has the Methodist Church which the Leonards built in Coatbridge. Only the church hall remains - now the bowling club. The site of the church held a bungalow occupied by a Miss Leonard who chose not to reply to any letters. The site of Leonards Land in Coatbridge no longer exists. We made no real attempt to follow up the Ellis line.
Information about the iron works can be found in Glasgow University's Scottish Industrial History volume 5 if you can access it.
Regards
Tom 188
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Hi - maybe you are now able to contact me on (*) as you've posted 3 times? I am a direct descendant of Sarah Leonard x Thomas Ellis - eldest child Elizabeth Ellis x Rev Jabez Chambers (1st minister at the Coatbridge church) - she is my great grandmother tho she died in 1882 so I haven't even got a photo of her - tho I have a photo of Jabez who dodn't die until 1920
Suzanne
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Hi, I have read the thread here and hopefully you can all pick my email up. I have just been given as a present a Robert Burns old second hand book. It has a incscription in the front sayin it was given as a present by a T Leonard Ellis in 1894 and it also states that he was one of the origianl subscribers to this book which is pretty rare I think. He has an adress as Dudley House Coatbridge Scotland. Now this book was in an old bookshop in Shropshire where according to your posts seems to fit and was curious to know if is one of your ancestors.
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Wow!!!!! Thomas Leonard Ellis (1861-1897) is my great great uncle. In the 1891 census he is shown as living at Dudley House in Coatbridge. Please do reply to this email - policy is not to allow email addresses here (I think)
Suzanne
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Double Wow back. That is truely amazing. Now that means your great Great uncle lived at Dudley House and he was obviously a subscriber to this book which is a book called "The complete concordance or the Poems and Songs of Robert burns" and is pretty academic work . There is a list of about 100 names in the back and libraries etc that obviously subscribed to the work. Your great great uncle has a sticker in the inside cover that has a coat of arms presumably the Ellis logo I need to look that up with the inscription Forte et Fidele and he has signed it and it was given as a present to a name which is really hard to decipher but my best guess is Catherine Orr or Obb. So he was quite young when he sent this and I must have been a man of means? I live in Shropshire where the book obvioulsly has been. How interesting. I love stuff like this
Jonathan
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I am trying to think how I can get my email address to you - yes - click at the top on chatterbox - it's an online fhs chat thing - I'll go on there and wait - then I can give you my email address
Suzanne
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Suzanne and Johnathan are you still reading messages on the board? If so then Suzanne you sent me information on the Leonard family a while ago which I couldn't follow up on as I lost your e-mail address but obviously and thankfully you are on here so I hope we can catch up and you may fill in some missing blanks.
My Father is NEIL CLIVE KENNETH LEONARD, my Grandfather was CHARLES CLIVE LEONARD who was the son of (my Great Grandfather) CHARLES EDWARD LEONARD who married ELIZABETH RICHARDS who in turn was the son of WILLIAM LEONARD and JANE IRWIN. William was the son of JAMES LEONARD and SARAH SCRIVEN.
Not sure how many generations I have covered with just that (Suzanne sent me the family tree she had made) but rest assured the Leonard family is still here in Australia.
I just wish I had come across this earlier as I have just come back from England and I was staying in London!
Hope that you come across this as I'd like to catch up and hopefully provide you with recent history.
Have a good time,
Stuart
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Hi - good to hear from you - yes I am still here - and not too far from London either. At the same time as I got this notification I received a forwarded message from an Aussie group as well so I'll email you on that email address - Suzanne