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At present I am researching as a further branch of my family
which I only discovered yesterday afternoon (Sunday), that
one of my Great Aunt's Dulcie nee Franklin was married to a
Capt., Sassoon Joseph Sassoon.
Her parentage was Frederic Samuel Franklin and mother was Lucy Amy nee Magnus, father was Sir Philip Magnus, 1st Bart., M.P. of London.
His father was Joseph Sasson and his mother was Louise, daughter
of of Baron Horace de Gunzburg of St Petersburg, Russia.
He was born in 1885 and died on 7 February 1922. but he's related as a first cousin to the World War 1 poet Siegfried Sassoon.
I would like to know if he fought in any of those contemporary wars or any information about him that's if anyone can help me please.
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Hi RosalindElsiE ! :)
I don't know if this is your site or not ... but have you seen this ? :)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~macculloch/p162.htm
Also here's Horace ( which you probably have already !! :) )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Günzburg
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/249570/Horace-Baron-Gunzburg
Here's a Medal card for a Sassoon, Joseph ( maybe his !! ::) )
Dragoon Guards
Captain
Inniskilling Dragoon Guards
Captain
Date
1914-1920
http://www.rootschat.com/links/03a9/
Annie :)
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~macculloch/p147.htm#i7888
Joseph Sassoon Sassoon1,2 (M)
b. 31 Dec 1855, d. Jan 1918, #7888
Pedigree
Joseph Sassoon Sassoon was born on 31 December 1855 at Bombay, India, and he has been described as being 'of Ashley Park, Walton On Thames.3,4,1,5,6' He was the son of Sassoon David Sassoon and Flora Reuben.3 He appeared on the census of 2 April 1871 at 17 Cumberland Terrace, St Pancras, London, as Son, age 15, birthplace Bombay, India, and he was a Scholar.7 He was educated at Christ Church Oxford and he obtained an MA.6 He appeared on the census of 3 April 1881 at Common Side, Walton on Thames, Surrey, as Head, unmarried, age 25, birthplace Bombay, India and he was a 'Magistrate Surrey'. The full entry reads :-
Dwelling: Common Side
Census Place: Walton On Thames, Surrey, England
Source: FHL Film 1341180 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0765 Folio 18 Page 29
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Joseph Sassoon SASSOON U 25 M Bombay, India
Rel: Head
Occ: Magistrate Surrey
Alfred SASSOON U 19 M London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Brother
Occ: Undergraduate (Oxford)
Fredk. SASSOON U 18 M London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
Rel: Brother
Occ: Undergraduate (Oxford)
Lionel M. DAVIS U 23 M Kennington, Surrey, England
Rel: Visitor
Occ: Clerk
Jeanette RUTHERFORD U 29 F Roxburgshire, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Housemaid
Emily NESSLING U 19 F Huntingdon, England
Rel: Serv
Occ: Housemaid.3
He married Baroness Louise de Gunzburg, daughter of Baron Horace de Gunzburg, in 1884.8,9,6 He appeared on the census of 5 April 1891 at Walton on Thames, Surrey, as Head, age 35, birthplace Bombay, India. He was living with his wife Louise, sons Arthur, David and Sassoon, daughters Hannah and Mozelle, and Arthur Read 39 Boarder, Private Secretary, plus other servants.10 He appeared on the census of 31 March 1901 at Ashley Park Estate, Walton on Thames, Surrey, as Head, married, age 45, born Bombay, India, and he was 'Living On Own Means - a millionaire'. He was living with his wife Louise, six children, [excluding Sassoon] his Private Secretary Arthur Read, 49, two Footmen, Hall Boy, Cook, Kitchenmaid, Scullarymaid, three Housemaids, Nurse and Lady's Maid.11 He was a JP.6 He died in January 1918 at age 62.4,6
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These are the children born ... but I can't find your Joseph !!
Children of Joseph Sassoon Sassoon and Baroness Louise de Gunzburg ........
Hannah Sassoon (1887 - 1910)
David Sassoon (11 Mar 1888)
Arthur Meyer Sassoon (1889)
Edward Sassoon (1892)
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Annie
Thank for your searches and I do use that Maculocchs site all the time,
as it was the first good one that I found. Including that I am in it too.
I have not met one of the Sassoon's relatives yet, also it's ok that
you've not been able to find the Joseph that I'm after.
The Joseph Sassoon that I am after if it's of any help was related to
Siegfried Sassoon, I have found a wee bit about him on the
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ site.
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Rosalind you would enjoy looking these up yourself :)
Marriage March 1919 London C 1c/550 Sassoon J Sassoon to Dulcie Franklin
1891 census
Joseph S Sassoon 35
Louise 29
Sassoon J 5
Hannah 4
David 3
Mozelle 8 mths
Siegfried b 1887
1891 census Rg 12/683/30/3 Mistranscribed under Harmer
Theresa G Sassoon 35 b London
Michael 6
Siegfried 4
Hodmo 3
Their parents had split up. Theresa had married Alfred Sassoon b 1862
1881 census RG12/683/30/3 (as per Liverpool Annies's post)
Joseph Sassoon Sassoon 25
Alfred Sassoon 19
Fredk Sassoon 18
The brothers, and your link.
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Thanks Annie and Silvery yes I will have a look for them tomorrow
but I do appreciate all of your searches and they're fascinating too.
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It wasn't me who gave you the last lot !! ... it was "silvery" !! :D
But I'll have a little look later when it's a little quieter and see what else can be found !!
Annie :)
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Annie sorry and oops, I should have looked more carefully.
Also no rush yet for the information, I am just doing the research in most likely a very unprofessional way.
Because I have made a lot of Word files that was before I had bought the Family Historian software but I still have to get used to that too.
:D
All of your searches have taught me loads in just a few minutes,
Thanks
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Rosalind, you'll have a great time. I believe Family Historian is one of the best you can get.
Interesting to see you are related to Rosalind Franklin, I should have picked up on that - knew the two names were familiar to me. Yes, she should have had the Nobel prize too.
What a family you come from! So very famous.
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Silvery thanks and yes I am having lots of fun researching also
Rosalind Elsie Franklin was my 1st cousin, one of my friends
told me that she's now on the National Curriculum. That's praise.
I heard Sir Aaron Klug on the radio 2 weeks ago say that had
Rosallind lived that she should have received the Nobel Prize for
Chemistry what a pity that they don't give them out posthomously
(sp).
Yes what a family I come from and my Father knew about Seigfried Sassoon but didn't say anything.
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http://www.farhi.org/genealogy/index.html
Sassoon Sassoon Joseph
Birth - 1885 Chertsey Surrey
Gender - Male
Died - 1922
Father - Sassoon Joseph, b. 1855, Bombay, India
Mother - de Gunzbourg Louise, b. 1862, Paris, France
Family - Franklin Dulcie Frederick S.
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Thank you Annie and even more fascinatijng information to read
and research further into today and so on.
Why do some of the Sassson's men have this Sassoon as their
middle name? I can't understand the reason for it.
E.G. Capt., Sassoon Joseph Sassoon.
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Hello Rosalind,
I was really excited to come across (albeit rather late) your quest for information regarding Sassoon Joseph Sassoon. I have in my possession a toleware military 'hat box' on which there are two brass plaques. One reads Jones, Chalk and Dawson, 6 Sackville St London and the other S J Sassoon, 6th Inniskilling Dragoons.
I contacted a Mr Keith Miller from the National Army Museum who kindly researched the name and replied: "The hatbox would have been for the dress helmet of an officer in the 6th Inniskilling Dragoons. It would have been supplied by the firm of Jones,Chalk and Dawson who were one of many firms of tailors who supplied uniforms in the early part of the twentieth century – the firm is still trading today.These uniform items were only supplied to officers who had to purchase their own uniforms and weapons. Sassoon would have purchased the helmet when he joined the regiment.
The rather strangely named Sassoon Joseph Sassoon joined the regiment in Feb 1907 as a Second Lieutenant,was promoted to Lieutenant in Oct 1908 and Captain in Feb 1913. He served throughout the First World War but was seconded to the War Office from Feb 1916 until he left the army in Dec 1919."
I hope this is of some interest to you.
Regards, surreyman
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Thanks surreyman
yes this information is very interesting and I am not sure if this is
the right idea about why Sassoon Joseph Sassoon has this strange name but it might have been like some people are called:
Son of Joseph Sassoon = Sassoon Joseph Sassoon
although I am only guessing here.
Also the tailors is still in business I've checked on Google.
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They all seemed to have eccentric and weird names.
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silvery
Yes they do seem to have strange names with the exceptions of the 2 brothers of Siegfried Sassoon, who were Michael Sasson,
he was the eldest, Siegfried was the middle son and their brother:
Their parents were Alfred Ezra Sassoon and Georgina Thornycroft.
Hamo Watts Sassoon, who died on 1st November 1915, from wounds received in action on board the hospital ship S.S. Kilonan Castle.
2nd Lt. Hamo Watts Sassoon gained the rank of 2nd Lieutenant in the service of the Royal Engineers.1 He fought in the Gallipoli Campaign, and was wounded at Suvla Bay, losing his leg.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=5221403
http://www.1914-18.co.uk/brooke/summary%20of%20casulaties%20frame.htm