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Hi there,
Does anbody know where to look for records of a child being made a Ward of Chancery? Assuming there is some kind of index somewhere I doubt if much info can be gleaned from it anyway but it would be interesting to check.
Many thanks
Nimrod
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Hi Nimrod
Chancery records for England and Wales will be at the National Archives. I doubt if there is an index online
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
That s great, thanks very much for your help, most appreciated.
Best Wishes
Nimrod
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See Chancery Proceedings: Equity Suits from 1558
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=165&j=1
Stan
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Hi Stan,
Thanks for the link. Looks like quite a task but at least I know now where to look.
Best Wishes
Nimrod
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Have you read Bleak House - the Jarndyce children were wards of chancery.
I think such children are rarely traceable, though they may be illegitemate offspring of someone wealthy who didn't want them known about.
Bob
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Hi Bob,
No I havn t read Bleak House but what you say about the childeren refers almost identically to my reason for posting this topic.
My GGG Grandmother was the illegitimate Daughter of one Lady Tempest, or so the family story goes. We have a minaiture of this Lady which has been handed down through the generations. I ve no reason to doubt the story but by the same token it s probably impossible to prove a thing but thought it an avenue worth exploring for want of any other leads.
Nimrod
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Hi Nimrod,
What have you found out about this Lady Tempest? Is there any background info and does the timeframe and locations fit?
Jenny
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Hi Nimrod,
I believe there are some chancery records indexed on the British Origins site (early ones for reign of Charles I):
www.originsnetwork.com
You need to have a membership for the Society of Genealogists or pay on the origins site.
If you go to the homepage of the orgins site it will tell you what is available, before you pay.
Hope this helps - not sure what period you're looking at.
Sounds interesting!
Kind regards,
Paulene :)
P.S. The origins site gives you an example of what information the site will give on these chancery cases.
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Most chancery cases were concerned with money 'held in chancery' from an inheritance dispute.
Apparently these are difficult to research.
Now my mother's middle name is Bond, and she was told that there was money held in chancery from the Bond family. When I researched the family history, it was a while before I reached the Bond family, 1830, and no record of any inheritance found. (I have visions of a great struggle to get this money, only to find it's only worth £3.50!)
Bob
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I agree Stonechat, I had huge problems looking for my Chancery records that I knew existed but proved elusive, though that was because they were held in the Court of Chancery in Ireland and naturally they were in the section that was burnt along with the will that was in dispute. >:( NAI cou'dn't help and I spent years looking for clues.
I eventually found the court case ;D ;D ;D with the help of Google Books. Then I found it in every Law book going.
I call that S*ds law :P ;D
Makes interesting reading on how families argue over money, the court case lasted 34 years and thankfully the entries in the books were edited down to 6-9 pages worth, which is about my limit when reading the legal jargon. (Google Books search term William Creed if anyone wants to take a look) OHs direct ancestor was Charles Creed 3x ggrandfather, brother of William and whose Will was in dispute - most of the money ended up paying for legal fees ::)
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I think chancery cases are very hard to find, yes. I had a go when I was briefly in London, and failed miserably. Eventually a researcher found it for me. This case revolved round money, but it was creditors seeking what was due to them from the estate of the person who had died. It seemed to be over fairly quickly - didn't drag on for years! Trouble was, the two sons who were charged with administering the estate after the executors withdrew did not do so. After their deaths, a daughter finally applied for admon of the small amount of money remaining!
MarieC
(PS Every time I see this thread, I want to start singing the Lord Chancellor's songs from "Iolanthe" - "... pretty young wards in Chancery, all very agreeable girls and none are over the age of twenty-one!" Sorry! My warped sense of humour.)
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Hi Nimrod,
What have you found out about this Lady Tempest? Is there any background info and does the timeframe and locations fit?
Jenny
Hi jenny,
I m afraid I know absolutely nothing about her. I did have a look in Burke s Peerage and the only mention of the name Tempest I could see was in connection with the Marquisses Of Londonderry. My GGG Grandmother was Amelia Page born about 1801 apparently. She married and lived in the Kingsdown and Ringwould area of Kent. To my knowledge no baptism record exists for her in either parish. My Cousin informs me this has been checked.
Nimrod
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Hi Nimrod,
I believe there are some chancery records indexed on the British Origins site (early ones for reign of Charles I):
www.originsnetwork.com
You need to have a membership for the Society of Genealogists or pay on the origins site.
If you go to the homepage of the orgins site it will tell you what is available, before you pay.
Hope this helps - not sure what period you're looking at.
Sounds interesting!
Kind regards,
Paulene :)
P.S. The origins site gives you an example of what information the site will give on these chancery cases.
Hi Paulene,
Thanks for that. Research in this particular field is totally new to me, it all sounds quite daunting.
Best Wishes
Nimrod
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Hello ,
My gggg grandmother was Amelia Page born 1801 .She married the Gardiner "Erridge"at Kingsdown House where she was apparently bought up by a Tempest and was quite ill , as I have heard the story.
However I cannot trace who Amelia's Parents are and their family . Can you assist in this matter ?
Regards Robert Erridge
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Hi Robert,
I'm afraid I have little to offer regarding Amelia Page. She was my ggg grandmother born circa 1801. The censuses say she was born in Kent apart from 1861 which says London. My cousins records state she may have been raised by a Joseph Page or some connection with the name Tempest? She married Thomas Barwick Erridge, a mariner on 10th August 1820 in Ringwould Kent. She died on 26th August 1873 and was buried in Ringwould.
The family story which has been handed down is that she was the illegitimate daughter of a titled lady. I have no idea how much truth there is in this. Another story handed down is that she was friendly with the Duke of Wellington. Apparently she spent long hours sitting in the front garden of their cottage doing crochet work. The Duke passed by regularly on his way home to Walmer Castle and the two began to acknowledge eachother and the friendship blossomed from this. There has never been any suggestion that it was anything more than friendship. However, in my father's vast collection of family artifacts was a model of a woman sitting in a rocking chair doing crochet which supposedly the Duke made or had made for as a gift. Sadly when I sorted through these boxes which had been stored in poor conditions I discovered the model totally rotten and chewed up. There was no way of prooving the validity of this story anyway. Perhaps she was an illegitimate daughter of the old Duke himself? Stranger things have happened. Who knows? I have an actual photograph of Amelia in her senior years if you are interested?
Regards
Nimrod
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Thanks so much with the information you have sent me it creates for interesting family history . Only a few years ago I new nothing of the family name of Erridge and its origins . I have started my own family tree on Ancestry.com .with a about 4500 names that I'm willing to share and make a guest, should any other family's, that are following those lines. And would be grateful for any correction or additional family lines and information.
It would be fantastic to get a copy of Amelia Page's photo.
Regards Robert
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Hi robert,
No problem, my pleasure. I have a "LARGE" file on the Erridges which includes many names of families married into etc. Much of it spreads out too far to be of any great interest to me so I have edited it in my full family file so it only follows my direct line back and their offspring only. It's still handy having the other one for reference if needed. I don't keep my files on the PC, everything is printed so it's easier to post than scan and e mail. I'll send you a personal message so we can exchange contact details.
Regards
Nimrod.
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Is this the Tempest family in Burkes Peerage?
http://thepeerage.com/p44043.htm#i440428
another snippet re an elopement
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F30A12FE3F5A127B93C6AB1789D85F4C8784F9
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Thanks so much . Where do you fit in?
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I don't just fascinated too! ;D
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Hi Fifer,
Quite possibly a connection. It's some time since I looked at Burke's when I concentrated on the period circa 1800 and ended up with the Marquis of Londonderry. Your other link made interesting reading. Now if that were about 77 years ealier it could have given our family story a bit more creedance. The whole thing is a complete mystetry and will probably remain so. Whether the story has its roots in illegitimacy and was blown out of all proportion it's hard to say. I have nothing concrete to support or dispute it. It's just one of those things I've been trifling with on and off for some time.
Regards
Nimrod