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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Burto on Monday 21 April 08 14:24 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I need some help trying to work out what happened to my Rushworth family!
I have got so far:
Jane Rushworth bap. 14/03/1830 parents John and Sarah. Lived at Meynell Row, father a Joiner.
No.1 Finding Jane's Dad.
I can only find 1 John Rushworth on Familysearch and Freereg baptised in 1802 at St. Mary's to William and Martha-would it be possible for someone to do a look up to see if there are any more?
No.2 Background info
It all gets a little complicated after that as there is only one Jane on the 1841 census who fits the bill, but is not living with her parents so I want to make sure I've got the right John first..it seems a bit of a coincedence as Jane's father is described as a Joiner on Freereg and a James Rushworth also baptised in 1802 to William and Martha is described as such on his children's baptisms. The fact that there appears to be a William Rushworth also a cabinet maker/joiner born to a William and Martha strengthens this.
No.3 The problem.
The only John and Sarah I can find on the 1841 census are in middlesex and Jane is not with them ??? that John is a cabinet maker and in 1851 it states he was born in Nottingham and is a Journeyman cabinetmaker (although this time he is not married to Sarah)?
Delving further, if you do a search of Jane Rushworth on the 1841 census she is living with a brother, John, and Samuel and Sarah Flinders. In 1851, John Rushworth appears with Samuel and Sarah Flinders on Meynell Street and is described as "son" is it possible that John senior ran off to Middlesex and they both remarried?! Samuel Flinders married Sarah Bradley in 1837!!!
Am I completely off the mark? I need some super sleauthing!
Thanks.
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Samuel Flinders married Sarah Bradley in 1837!!!
Thanks.
Hi Burto
One small point ...there is a marriage of Samuel Flinders and Sarah Rushworth 17/03/1832 Nottingham St Mary which is a likelier option?
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I think the John Rushworth with Samuel and Sarah Flinders is the one baptised 15/01/1827 at Nottingham St Marys to Joseph and Sarah Rushworth, abode Mansfield Road, father a joiner (possible brother for Jane's father John?).
Joseph Rushworth was buried Nottingham St Mary 16/11/1830 age 23, which fits with a re-marriage to Samuel Flinders. Therefore I'm concluding that Sarah Flinders is Jane's aunt and not her mother. Does that make sense?
Can you give me the 1841 reference for John and Sarah Rushworth?
Heather
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PS William and Martha baptised a Joseph 21/01/1811 Nottingham St Marys.
This reinforces both theories
a) you have got the right John born 1802
b) Sarah Flinders is Jane's aunt by marriage
I realise the date of baptism seems out for a Joseph c.1807 but the previous child was Phoebe in 1805, so it could have been a late baptism.
Of course the other option for Jane is that father's name is wrongly transcribed at baptism and it should have been Joseph. Do you have her marriage cert to confirm?
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Can you give me the 1841 reference for John and Sarah Rushworth?
Heather
Hi HeatherDD,
Hope I've got this right!
For 1841 it's: HO107/696/5 Folio 22 Page 38
For 1851, it's HO107/1512 Folio 402 Page: 34
Hope that makes sense, I've never written out census references before! Only thing that's odd is the age: in 1841 the birth date is abt 1791 but in 1851 it's abt 1800.
He also has children called William and Martha, so he's obviously the son of my William and Martha or at least the one in 1851 is...I'm not sure about the 1841 one now.
If Sarah Flinders is Jane's aunt, then what happened to Jane's parents?
Do you read her father's name as John too on her baptism?
Many thanks.
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Hi Burto, thanks that worked fine :)
You got two different families there (all these Rushworth woodworkers is confusing!)
In 1841 your 1851 family are at HO107 1060 6 5 - and I agree this is most likely the John who belongs to William and Martha.
A John and Mary had a daughter Mary baptised (and buried) at Nottingham St Mary in 1826.
I don't have access to the original registers, just the transcriptions. If you email Notts Archives and ask them to check the details of the baptism for Jane, they are usually very helpful. Of course, if it's written wrongly in the original then that won't help either ....
Like I say it's just possible it should have been Joseph and Sarah and Sarah Flinders is the mother. If all else fails, Jane's marriage should untangle the question for you.
Hope that makes sense? It's early and you always manage to find me some complicated problems ;D
Heather
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Bit more ...
Sarah Flinders gives her birthplace as Radford c1807
Joseph Rushworth married Sarah Hart 22 June 1826 Nottingham St Mary
Sarah Hart baptised 25 Sept 1806 Radford to Matthew and Jane
I'm warming to this idea now!
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Hi HeatherDD,
Many thanks for that...yes I agree it does seem that Joseph is more likely to be the father-I'll email the archives and see what they say.
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Hi all. Did a search on Nottingham Rushworths and picked up this thread, so joined up in order to reply.
Perhaps my current resaearch will help clarify... :)
The John Rushworth bap.12/4/1802 (same day as brother James), son to William & Martha and sibling to many others, was married to a Mary Jones (of Abergavenny) in 1825 in Bloomsbury (source: Pallot's index). Their first child was Mary Ann Rushworth (bap.7/4/1826, bur.9/4/1826, Nott St Mary). They subsequently moved back to Abergavenny where they had son Thomas (bap.19/4/1827, who also died), followed by another Thomas (bap.5/2/1829, who I think died too). Daughter Martha was bap.8/3/1832. In the cases of Thomas x2 & Martha, father John is described as joiner & cabinet maker. They lived in Toll St, then Mill St, Abergavenny. After that we find them again with John Alfred c.1835, Chelsea, Middlsex; Edwin James c.1838, Southwark, Surrey; Fanny c.1840, Surrey; William Henry, Lambeth, Surrey and Sarah Ann, b.31/1/1848, Southwark, Surrey. I got a copy of Sarah Ann's birth cert which specifies her father John, of Nottingham, as cabinet maker. Martha Rushworth, the oldest surviving child was one of my g.g. grandparents. I'd love to hear from Burto or any others who may have more info. I'm desperately trying to find where William, John's father came from. He and wife Martha (nee Betney) were married in Newark St Mary on 7/9/1791. Since the Rushworths seem to hail from Yorkshire, I'd love to trace William back to his roots. ???
Hope you find some of this info helpful.
For the record, I'd worked on the notion that the John Rushworth (bap.15/1/1827) in Nottingham in the 1841 census with sister Jane (bap.14/3/1830), was living with mum Sarah (nee Hart, widowed from Joseph Rushworth) who married Samuel Flinders (with George & Elizabeth Flinders). The record of Jane's parents as Sarah & John (joiner), is probably an error and should be father Joseph (joiner), making her the sister of John. Joseph was buried 16/11/1830 and Sarah married Samuel on 17/3/1832.
Jenny
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Hi Jenny (or should I say distant cousin?!),
Many thanks for getting in touch with all that information! That's clarified things!
Unfortunately I haven't got any further back than William Rushworth and Martha Betney either. I'm not sure where to go with it either-I suppose we could look up their marriage and see if William was baptised in the area too? Also, can anyone do a look up for Joseph's baptism? I can't find it on Freereg or Familysearch?
Many thanks.
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Hi Jenny and welcome to Rootschat :)
Burto - Joseph's baptism is in reply 3 on this thread!
Heather
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The first wife of Samuel Flinders, Mary Malony, was buried 22/Sep/1830. He then married the widow Sarah Rushworth whose maiden surname was Hart.
John Rushworth with Samuel and Sarah at census time was her son, not his.
Keith Flinders.