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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: sft456 on Wednesday 16 April 08 07:46 BST (UK)
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Who did Fanny Haines b Bramfield 1838, Caroline b Bramfield 1841 and Jane b Bramfield 1843 marry ? - I think Caroline m a Mr Tuck who subsequently died, not sure when. Are there any records of subsequent families?
Can anyone assist?
Jane
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Hi Jane,
Found this marriage on http://freeebmd.rootsweb.com
Jane Haines Sep Q 1867 Hertford 3a 405 (Hertford includes Bramfield)
Only 1 groom listed: Thomas Alonzo Pennyfather
A check could be made by looking for them on 1881 census.
Nanny Jan
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This could be Fanny; two entries shown Haines/Haynes:
Fanny Haines Sept Q 1865 Edmonton 3a 234
Groom either: Robert Leighton or James Seboy
Again found on FreeBMD
Nanny Jan
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Here's Caroline's marriage to Mr Tuck:
Caroline Haines Mar Q 1864 Hertford 3a 297
Possible death of Henry:
Henry Tuck Sep Q 1870 Barnet 3a 101 age shown as 31
Again all found on FreeBMD
Nanny Jan
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Hello Nanny Jan
Thanks for the information.
Jane Haines m to Alonzo seems straightforward enough (exotic Christian name!). Plenty of records of them, though nothing for 1881 - strange.
Caroline - because she was m in 1864 and he died in 1870, there is no Census record.
In 1871 she is living in Surrey and in 1881 she is back on her father's farm in Bramfield. I would guess the marriage was childless. I don't know whether she remarried.
Fanny - I can find no record of her as Leighton or Seboy in any Census - drawn a complete blank! ???
Simon
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Hi Simon,
Could any of them have emigrated? There is a free index on www.ancestorsonboard.com details are pay to view.
Nanny Jan
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Hi,
I am researching the surname Pennyfather see www.pennyfather.com and also send out a monthly newsletter. If you would like a copy free of charge please let me know.
Best regards,
trevor
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Hi Jane,
From the Bramfield PRs I can confirm that Jane HAINES 24 spinster of Bacons Farm d/o Christopher HAINES a farmer, married Thomas Alonzo PENNYFATHER 29 bachelor of Tewin Hill Farm s/o Thomas PENNYFATHER (deceased) farmer on 16May1867 at Braintfield Parish church (now Bramfield). The marriage was witnessed by Ann Gertside BEADSTOCK, Christopher HAINES and E.S.HILL.
Regards ... Peter
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Thanks Peter
Any news on Fanny's marriage in the Bramfield PR b 1838x or Gregory b 1849 or Christopher b 1851 or Arthur b 1848 or George b 1845 or Emily bap 1859 or their bap or deaths. Is their a date for Caroline's m to Henry Tuck in 1864? Also John Haines death @1852
Regards
Jane
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Hi Jane,
By coincidence I was researching the PENNYFATHER family when I saw this posting. However, I will have a further look at the Bramfield PRs on my next visit to HALS.
Regards ... Peter
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Hi Jane,
Found the following in the Bramfield PRs.
Baptisms.
07Jun1846 - Fanny bn.17May1838, Caroline bn.20Apr1840, Jane bn.16Jul1842 and George bn.14Jan1845.
13Aug 1848 - Gregory
29Sep1850 - Christopher
01Oct1854 - Edwin (2yrs of age) and Clara
24Jul1859 Emily.
All entered as ch/o Christopher and Caroline of Bacon's Farm, Bramfield, occ Farmer.
Their eldest, Henry, was baptized on 07Oct1836 at Hertingfordbury, when they were recorded as living at Cole Green and Christopher a bailiff.
Marriage.
28 Jan1864 Caroline 23 spinster a farmers daughter residing at Hertford d/o Christopher HAINES a Farmer married by licence to Henry TUCK 25 bach a Publican of Hatfield s/o Benjamin TUCK a brewer. Witnesses Fanny, Christopher and Jane HAINES and Margaret Anne TUCK.
Burials.
20Feb1867 Edwin age 14, 04Jun1878 Caroline 66, 21Apr1881 Christopher 71, 25Sep1924 Christopher 74 and 13Jun1924 Fanny 66. All recorded as at Bacon's Farm, Bramfield.
Not a bad catch.
Regards ... Peter
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Peter, a 1000 thanks, as they say every little helps.
Christopher was very young at 26 to be a bailiff.
Did you obtain these records at County Hall? (HAL?) I ask because I would like to see if any further marriages for the males, Henry George and Gregory, can be unearthed in the hope of extending the tree or whether they married in their wife's neck of the woods.
Arthur must have moved to London/Surrey and I am assuming Christopher and Elizabeth had no children (m 1/6/1890 Hertford)
Incidently Arthur appears not to be mentioned. He was b Dec qtr 1846, was he baptised?
Does HAL have Parish Records for the whole of Herts?
Regards
Jane
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Hi Jane,
My apologies to Arthur and yourself, he was baptized 29Nov1846 at Bramfield.
HALS holds records on film for most parishes in the county. I searched those for Bramfield as promised and also one entry from Hertingfordbury, based on the info I picked up from the 1851 census which showed that Henry was born at that point.
It is the case that Henry married Mary Ann CANNON in the Sep quarter 1859 somwhere in the Hertford registration district, possibly Tewin, as the 1861 records the family living there, Henry 24 a dealer, Mary Ann 23 and daughter Caroline 7mths both born Tewin Gate. The 1871 records them at the Woodmans Cottage, Tewin, with three daughters and Henry as a pig dealer.
The IGI records the bap.of Mary Ann CANNON d/o William and Lucy Maria CANNON on 21Aug1837 at Tewin. Also three children of Henry and Mary Ann - Caroline Maria 09Sep1860, Mary Jane 04Oct1867 and Fanny 01Aug1870 .
Perhaps this will give you a bit of a start. If you need any help, just shout!
Regards ... Peter
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Hi Jane,
I can now confirm from the Tewin Parish Records that Henry HAINES 23 bach a dealer of Tewin s/o Christopher Haines a farmer and Mary Ann CANNON 22 Spinster of Tewin d/o the late William CANNON a farmer were married by licence on 24Aug1859. Witnesses Alfred PUTTIER, Sarah CANNON and Caroline HAINES.
The 1837 baptism is confirmed by PRs and there was also Emma HAINES (Mary Ann's sister) at the same time.
Regards ... Peter
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Thanks for this info Peter
"The 1837 baptism is confirmed by PRs and there was also Emma HAINES (Mary Ann's sister) at the same time"
Didi you mean Emma Cannon, Mary Anne's sister?
Jane
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Yes Jane, it should have been Emma CANNON. My apologies.
Regards ... Peter
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Re: Pennefather - I am researching that name, specifically Captn Charles Edward Pennefather of Co
Wicklow, Ireland - Rathsallagh was his estate in Ireland but he also lived in Sussex UK.
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Charles was my great grandfather and his daughter Christina Eva was my maternal grandmother.