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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: sallyduk on Wednesday 16 April 08 07:36 BST (UK)
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I would like some information about Canwick Raod Cemetery, Lincoln.....
Has anyone been to the Cemetery that could help me firstly with opening times and also how to obtain plot numbers and a map of the cemetery?
Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards
Sally
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Hi Sally
If you do a search with Church Services at Canwick Lincoln, there is a page that provides the contact details for the vicar (based in Washingborough, just down the road from Canwick) and the church warden. I'd have a go at contacting one of them.
Good luck
Boosh
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Do you actually mean Canwick Road Cemetery - the main Lincoln cemetery?
Anyway, try here http://www.lincoln.gov.uk/Info_page_two_pic_2_det.asp?art_id=9494&sec_id=3268
or Lincoln Archives http://microsites.lincolnshire.gov.uk/Archives/
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The last time I was in touch with the county council office's , their charge was £15 to look up a name to give you the plot number :)
Eilleen.
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Hi
I have previously found some Canwick Rd burials complete with plot numbers on
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net under LINCOLNSHIRE CEMETERY REGISTERS (NOT the NBI)
Rosie
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Hi Rosie99, Eilleen, Geoff & Boosh
Many thanks for all the help & advice, it's much appreciated.
Rosie,
I found my Fletchers on the NBI buried at Canwick Rd Cemetery and thought I'd try familyhistoryonline to see if they appeared on their list but nothing on there!
Geoff & Boosh,
I will try the links you have sent me, thanks.
Eilleen,
I had seen somewhere about a £15 charge but thought that was too expensive for the 5 names I would like to find!
Thanks again to you all for the help.
Regards
Sally
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Hi Sallyduck
Its a big big cemetery, without the plot numbers you will be walking round there for weeks, that is if you are going to visit it
ricky
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Hi Ricky
I somehow thought it looked a big site from looking at Google map!
Is the only way to get the plot numbers by paying £15 for each name?
Regards
Sally
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Hi Sally
I think that will be the only way to find out. I suppose you could ask if they do a reduced rate for several lookups, but wouldnt count on it. But to be honest, without the plot numbers you will be there a very long time. Lucky enough for me all my rellies are buried in the villages around Lincoln. But wish you luck
regards
ricky
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Sally,
I will see what I can find ;)
Eilleen.
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Sally,
I only spent about 45 mins there today,
The wind is bitter ;D
will be going back shortly, when it warm's up a bit :)
will keep your list of name's with me .
Eilleen.
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Hi Sally
Lincolnshire Family History Society sell the microfiche for Canwick Road cemetery, up to 1985. You can buy the fiche via Genfair. Name and date etc are there, plus the plot reference numbers. They retail on average for about £3.00. I know microfiche isn't convenient, but it may be a more practical and cost effective option for you. I have ordered a good number of fiche from the LFHS via Genfair and they have arrived in a short space of time.
Food for thought anyway!
Cheers
Boosh
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Eilleen
Thanks very much for helping me look for the gravestones and very sorry you got cold today in the wind!
I will have a trip there when I can spare a couple of hours but in the meantime I have done as Boosh suggested (Thanks Boosh ;) ) and placed an order for the Monumental Inscriptions for Canwick - I will let you know if they prove useful when I receive them.
Regards
Sally
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and placed an order for the Monumental Inscriptions for Canwick - I will let you know if they prove useful when I receive them.
I hope you're not disappointed ... Canwick and Canwick Rd Cemetery are different places.
The cemeteries are on the north side of the B1190, stretching from the B1188 to the Crematorium. Canwick is a village a short distance to the south.
Map http://tinyurl.com/5z3m5b
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Hi Geoff
Thanks for pointing out my mistake - I did mean the Canwick Rd Cemetery and I have ordered the right fiche ;)
Sally
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One thing to note is that the LFHS have listed Monumental Inscriptions for Canwick Road, BUT the references found on those are not the same as the plot numbers in the cemetery register.
I have somewhere around 100 burials to locate based on NBI, Familyhistoryonline.net and the LFHS Monumental Inscriptions. These cover ten or so surnames, if you ever chance upon someone in there shouting for George then it will probably be me!!
Not all the stones survive and with something close to 18,000 burials it is a big place and spread over two sites.
I did enquire about a plan from the council but despite several requests never had a reply.
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My wife and I spent a frustrating but enjoyable hot summers afternoon last year searching for lost ancestors in Canwick Road Cemetery.
I too had a list of burials taken from the NBI and thought it would be a simple matter to trace the exact plots, oh dear no!
Firstly the cemetery/cemeteries are spread over about 55 acres and what appear to be 3 separate areas. The first of these is the old cemetery at the corner of Canwick and Washingborough Road; this seems to contain the vast majority of Victorian and early Edwardian graves and is laid out in alphabetical sections A to F if I remember correctly, there is a map at each entrance. The other 2 areas further along Washingborough Road are the new cemeteries and the Crematorium.
Now the first problem we encountered is that the rows of graves are set in what seem to be an arc shape not a straight line as in modern cemeteries therefore its not easy to follow how the rows run.
Secondly many of our ancestors could not afford head stones therefore large gaps appear between burials and whilst there may be a small marker stone laid in the ground with the plot number on, they tend to be hidden by the grass.
We did however find a couple of helpful cemetery employees who kindly fetched an old Victorian map and after about ½ hour of hunting around we found three of the plots we were looking for but even those guys had a job finding their bearings.
I wish anyone wanting to find plots at Canwick the best of luck, it can be fun but be prepared for a long search. If it’s a hot day take plenty of liquid refreshment with you it’s a long way from the shops. Other than that it’s a well-kept cemetery and the staff do a grand job of keeping it neat and tidy.
Alan
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I don't know if any software has to be installed to see this - an aerial photo of the cemetery area-
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.219482&lon=-0.525818&z=17.4&r=0&src=msa
As Alan says, 3 cemeteries - St Swithins, Canwick Road (Old and New) I think - with the Crem just to the east.
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Thats great Geoff, the map opened fine for me.
As you can see the old cemetery is on the left and you can clearly distinguish it is in 6 sections and the arc shapes show up well.
As I said the best of luck if you looking for rellies there but it can be fun :)
Alan
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Things to know before you go;
As mentioned, take some drink/food if you intend to be a while, the location is quite a way from any shops.
Don't leave valuables on show in the car, visitors to the "old" cemetery have to park in a small layby alongside the main road and you will be far from your car at times and unable to see it clearly.
The newer and St Swithins area has off road parking but access to the burial areas is again quite a distance from the parking area and you cannot see your vehicle, nor can passers by.
There are toilets but they are situated in the furthest corner from the main road.
The soil is quite sandy and the area is a favourite with rabbits, beware stumbling into a rabbit hole and twisting an ankle or similiar.
Until you see the layout of the cemetery "in person" it is difficult to visualise the size and layout, the newer section has an easier to follow rectangular pattern, the older section with the curved sections can be a real pain. Try to be methodical, it will save hours of time and miles of walking.
A worthwhile exercise if you can do so is to visit the library and check the Monumental Inscription listings.
Study the surname index for your surnames, for example you might find the surname Willis listed at A10, A15, B23, C103 etc
A map showing which section is "A", "B" etc is in fact the cover for the monumental listings, either photocopy the plans or ask the staff to do it for you (if memory serves it is 60 pence per copy) but it will help you find your bearings when you visit.
It's a beautiful place but there is very little shelter from the elements so take precautions against the extremes of the weather
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A map showing which section is "A", "B" etc is in fact the cover for the monumental listings, either photocopy the plans or ask the staff to do it for you (if memory serves it is 60 pence per copy) but it will help you find your bearings when you visit.
I copied this a year or two ago whilst in the Archives.
I don't seem to have a D - perhaps it's below E ::)
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I copied this a year or two ago whilst in the Archives.
I don't seem to have a D - perhaps it's below E ::)
I have a feeling that C is perhaps one bay left as pictured and D is where you have C marked, then again that could be the difference between the two listings or then again it could be my memory.
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I have a feeling that C is perhaps one bay left as pictured and D is where you have C marked, then again that could be the difference between the two listings or then again it could be my memory.
My sketch map definitely shows A and B as being wide bays. I have a small unlabelled area below E which may well be D.
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You could well be correct, i seem to remember one area was very small when compared to the others and was on the right hand side of the path from the main gate, just the area covered by A, B etc.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni.
I Canwick cemetery, did you come across
George William Chambers and his wife Beatrice Ellen Chambers nee Wadsworth, who married in Lincoln in 1917.
and if so , are they on your tree,
Eilleen
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Glen in Tinsel Kni.
I Canwick cemetery, did you come across
George William Chambers and his wife Beatrice Ellen Chambers nee Wadsworth, who married in Lincoln in 1917.
and if so , are they on your tree,
Eilleen
Hi Eilleen
Although there are five George Chambers in my tree (and one George William 1876-1941) the one you mention isn't one of mine as far as i know.
Most of mine are associated with Moor Street, Gresham Street, Richmond Road and Newland Street West from around the 1880's to the 1940's/50's.
I'm offline till next weekend (work gets in the way) so apologies if i don't come back to anyone on this thread straight away.
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Thankyou to everyone that has given me some advice for the first time visiting Canwick Road Cemetery, it's very much appreciated :-)
Geoff, thanks for the attached map showing the alphabetical layout, I think that will prove extremely useful ;-) is this part of the old or new cemetery? Just to give me an idea of where to start as I will be looking for graves for the years 1864,1874,1894,1898 & 1905.
Alan, I had no idea it was as large as 55 acres - here's me thinking I can push mother-in-law in her wheelchair - I think I will have to have a re-think ;-)
Thanks again.
Sally
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is this part of the old or new cemetery? Just to give me an idea of where to start as I will be looking for graves for the years 1864,1874,1894,1898 & 1905.
Luckily, the names of the cemeteries are given on my 1960s Lincoln street plan, otherwise I'd have had no idea!
Referring to the link I posted earlier which shows the three cemeteries-
The one on the left with the long E-W path and the many curves is Canwick Rd Old
(then it's the football pitches - the Cow Paddle)
The cemetery with the A, B, C etc blocks is Canwick Rd New
The final one, next to the Crem is St Swithins.
Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Lincoln/#Cemeteries says-
"The Lincoln Burial Board was formed in 1854-5 for the nine parishes of St. Benedict, St. Botolph, St. Mark, St. Martin, St. Mary-le-Wigford, St. Michael, St. Paul, St. Peter at Arches and St. Peter at Gowts. They opened the Canwick Road Cemetery in the summer of 1856. Two funeral chapels were built and a portion of the cemetery set aside for Catholic burials. Canwick Road Cemetary is south of Lincoln and is situated off the Washingborough Road."
I would expect most - perhaps all - of yours to be in the old cemetery. You will see from the aerial photo that most of it seems to be devoid of gravestones.
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Hi Geoff
Thanks for clarifying the Cemeteries for me - I can see from the map where you mean.
I now have received the fiche and have plot numbers (LFHS) which I gather don't tie up to the cemetery plot numbers? Must admit I was slightly disappointed as I expected these MI's to quote what was written on the graves but they just give name, age, date of burial and plot number!!
If anyone knows the roughly the whereabouts of LFHS plot numbers A861, A117 & C585 it would be a great help ;)
Thanks again for all your help.
Regards
Sally
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Going by the live map that Geof put a link to.
the old cemetery is on the left .
the picture I took was in this cemetery.
right in the corner as you turn onto Washingborough road.
if that makes sense ??? ???
but some of my family in B plots were in the second cemetery ???
Eilleen. just back from work, so may not be fully functional ;D
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Hi there, a few years ago I was looking for my grandfather's grave in the St Swithins part, I found an address and phone no which proved extremely useful. the address is - Crematorium and Cemetaries general enquiries, Washingborough Road, Lincoln, sorry I do not have a post code, Tel 873646. The person I spoke to was extremely helpful and efficient and gave me directions to the grave and the plot no and there was no mention of a payment, he was more tham happy to help. Hope this will help. :)
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If you check the details you have from the FHS for the following chap (old cemetery) he should have a reference number.
George Chambers, aged 58, died 1901.
The cemetery register records the plot as Plot B794 but the reference from the FHS Monumental inscriptions are different.
I have some credits left for familyhistoryonline, if you want me to have a look i can see if there are any results from the cemetery registers for you.
Just send a message (with a couple of names/approx dates) if you want me to have a look.
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Pejay - Thanks, I will try phoning & hope I'm as lucky as you were ;)
Glen in Tinsel Kni -
Thanks very much for your kind offer but I have looked at familyhistoryonline and the Plot No's on that site are the same as the ones I have from the LFHS Microfiche ??? - does this mean I do have the right Plot No's?
Sally
ps.
Pejay, I have now phoned and waiting for them to phone back with details of the plot numbers ;-)
Glen in Tinsel Kni, I checked my fiche for your George Chambers and it has Plot No. B794 which is the same as the one you have from the Cemetery Register ??? I'm confused now ???
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Hi there, yes hope you will be lucky. Cemetary register records are the ones you need - you will get the correct plot no, also family history online are very good with plot no's too :)
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It looks like the details you have are from the cemetery register and not the monumental inscriptions
If you check the details for George Graby or Eliza Graby they should have an adjacent plot number, this would be the number from the cemetery register so all the plot numbers you have would be the same as used in the cemetery.
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I think you're right....
I have found a George Graby buried in 1896 ( Plot B793) but can only see an Eliza who was buried in 1888 at Plot C1882.
My mistake, I thought I had ordered MI's but maybe there aren't any for such a large cemetery?
Thanks again for your help.
Regards
Sally
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There are certainly LFHS transcriptions of the MI's at the central library in Lincoln, i have used them myself several times but as mentioned before the reference numbers are different to the plot numbers.
The main benefit of the MI's (dor me anyway) has been to point me in the right direction for a few death dates, eg the George Chambers mentioned before.
The MI lists were compiled a few years ago (late 1970's) and show what appears on the headstone, due to the time they were completed several stones are now missing or ilegible.
The George Chambers headstone for instance is no longer there but crucially it mentioned his age, that tallied with the Cemetery Register result (which also gave his residence) and i was able to order the certificate and prove he was my grt g/f. Add in the B793 George Chambers + B794 reference for George Graby and it meant i could locate the plot which would otherwise be unmarked and almost impossible to find.
It tied up a nice little story for the two Georges' were not only b-i-l to each other but lived in the same houses/streets for at least forty years and were witnesses on certificates etc for each other.
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Hi Glen in Tinsel Kni
Many thanks for this info - I will see if I can get to the library for the MI's and then use my fiche for the Plot No's ;)
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Many thanks to all who helped me on finding plot no's at the cemetery.
I managed to find time to go yesterday and after about an hour of looking I came across one of the gravestones I was looking for - I was delighted and also lucky as it had 4 people mentioned on the one gravestone :)
The other 2 gravestones I asked the groundsmen for some help and they were extremely helpful and showed me where they were.
I now have another grave to look for so will attempt that one on another sunny day ;)
Thanks again for everyones help.
Sally
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Thanks for the update Sally, best of luck with your next visit.
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I'm glad I came across this post. I was going to visit the Cemetery in the next couple of weeks, as my 2 x g.grandfather is buried there. However, as it seems it would be impossible just to chance upon his grave, and also I think anyone sharing the grave with him would be his 2nd wife and family, I don't think I'll bother now. My 2 x g.grandmother and baby daughter are buried at All Saints Holbeach, so hopefully I'll have more luck finding their grave.
Lizzie
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Hi Lizzie
I think you will find that All Saints Church hasnt got a big graveyard, more likely have better luck in the cemetry on Penny Hill Road, was opened in 1853 and enlarged in 1912. I have to go through Holbeach on Monday, and will check on the size of the Churchyard.
ricky
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Hi Ricky
According to the Parish Record Collections of burials on FindMyPast, both my 2 x g.grandmother and her baby daughter are buried at All Saints, Holbeach, which I assumed was the churchyard.
My 2 x g.gran died in 1844 and her baby daughter in 1845. From what you say that was before the Penny Hill Road cemetery was opened. My 2 x g.grandfather was living at Penny Hill with his 3 children when the baby died. My 2 x g.gran's death certificate doesn't give the address where she died, just states Holbeach and even though she appears to have died due to childbirth complications, the birth certificate of the baby also only shows Holbeach.
Lizzie
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Not too many stones at All Saints apparently http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Holbeach/
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Not too many stones at All Saints apparently http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Holbeach/
Hi Geoff
Thats what I thought, I go through Holbeach at least twice a month at the moment, and if its the church I think it is, looking from the road, there is hardly any headstones.
ricky
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Hi Lizzie
I should be going back to the Lincoln Cemetery in the next week or so - if you would like me to have a quick look whilst I'm there do you have his details?
Regards
Sally
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Geoff and Ricky
Thanks for the information. As we will be in the area within the next couple of weeks, I'll take a look anyway.
Sally - My g.g.grandfather's details for Canwick Road Cemetery are:
Charles Cockett, born 12 February 1811, died Sept.1872, buried 21 September 1872 at the cemetery.
If you can find the grave, I'm interested as to who else is buried with him. His first wife was buried at All Saints, Holbeach together with a baby from that marriage. His other two children from the marriage grew up and moved away and one was my g.grandfather. His second wife, re-married 2 years after my g.g.grandfather died and in 1881 was living in Boston.
Thanks to all. I won't be on the computer after today until the last week in September.
Lizzie
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Geoff and Ricky
Thanks for the information. As we will be in the area within the next couple of weeks, I'll take a look anyway.
Sally - My g.g.grandfather's details for Canwick Road Cemetery are:
Charles Cockett, born 12 February 1811, died Sept.1872, buried 21 September 1872 at the cemetery.
The cemetery register gives a bit more detail
Charles Cockett Abode 11 Mint Lane,St Martin Buried 21/09/1872 Age 59 Cemetery Lincoln, Canwick Road Plot C1527
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You beat me to it Glen ;)
Lizzie
Just been looking through the fiche to see if I can find others with the same grave and came across Annie Lizzie Metcalf aged 1 died 9 Feb 1878 & William Jones Richardson aged 9mths died 25 Feb 1878.
Do either of the names mean anything to you?
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Sally and Glen
Thank you for the cemetery reference. I guessed he might have been living at 11 Mint Lane, as he was there on both the 1861 and 1871 census.
Sally - Those two names mean absolutely nothing to me. His first wife was Ann Day before marriage and his second wife Eliza Cowham. After he died, his second wife Eliza married a John Meanwell and in 1881 is living in Boston. I don't think she had any children with John Meanwell. We have no Metcalfs, Jones or Richardsons in the family.
Lizzie
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I wonder if the plot is unmarked, if memory serves Sally has the details from the cemetery register (the same details i pulled up from Familyhistoryonline) and not details from monumental inscriptions.
It tends to suggest that the plot isn't owned by the family as there are members of different families within the same plot, there may not be a stone but the plot number is quoted so it should be possible to locate it (probably with help from the cemetery staff if they are around on the day you visit).
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Hi Lizzie
I went through Holbeach yesterday, looks like most of the graves in the churchyard are near the front and right hand side of the church, and they dont look as if they are in a good condition. But good hunting , and hope you find what your looking for
ricky :)
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Hi Lizzie
Sorry to disappoint you but as you can see from the attached photo Charles Cockett's gravestone no longer exists - Plot C1527 is in front of the gravestones you can see in the photo.
After speaking with the groundsmen I can confirm he was buried on 21 Sept 1872 aged 59 years.
They also confirmed there were 3 children buried in the same plot but I forgot to write down the 3rd name as it wasn't a Cockett - the other 2 were William Richardson & Annie Metcalf.
Regards
Sally
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I really wish i could get down to Canwick Road again soon. The nearest i get is this thread
I have found references to dozens of family but i suspect that most of the plots are now unmarked. I have three plots in the "C" section for aunts and uncles who died as youngsters around 90-100 years ago and two family plots in the "B" section, one located and one i would dearly love to find.
Having said that even a headstone isn't always telling the whole story, one shows my grt-grandfather and one of his sons, it doesn't give details to show my grandfather is also in the plot and i am probably the only one in the family who knows where he is.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/hay%20family/JosephHayHeadstone.jpg)
The picture below shows my grandfather and some of his children/my aunts and uncles (the oldest girl died aged 12 and hers is one of the burials mentioned, the other two burials were for twins to the children pictured, all the children in section "C")
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/hay%20family/HayFamilyportrait1914.jpg)
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Hi Sally
Thanks for the photograph of the plot! That's the 2nd photograph of a grassy plot I have now, the other was of my grandfather's grave in Aberdeen.
Ricky - Surprisingly, we did find the grave of my g.g.grandmother Ann Cockett (nee Day) at All Saints Church, Holbeach, the gravestone also had her parents' names and also in much smaller lettering, right at the bottom of the gravestone, the name of her baby daughter who died a few months after her. I guess the space between Ann's name and that of her daughter had been left for her husband, but he re-married about 4 years later. (He's the one buried under the grass patch at Canwick Road Cemetery, photographed by Sally!) Judging by the wording on the gravestone, I would think her parents paid for it, as she is shown firstly as their daughter and then as wife of Charles Cockett.
Lizzie
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Hi Lizzie
Pleased to hear you found your gg grandmother's grave at Holbeach - I too have just found I have an ancestor buried there so I may have to visit sometime!
Glen - I will be visiting Canwick Rd Cemetery again shortly as I've found another 2 graves I need to find in section B & C, so if you'd like me to have a look whilst I'm there please let me have the details.
Regards
Sally
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Hi Lizzie
Gald you found the grave. I bet you was pleased to find it. Have to say have never stopped to look when going by the church to see what condition the gravestones are in, I only get the odd glance as I was going by ;)
ricky
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Sally and Ricky
Many of the gravestones are in a good condition, including, fortunately, the one of my g.g.grandmother. Interestingly, we went along on a Sunday morning just as the service was finishing, so my OH went off to speak to the vicar to ask if he had any parish records! He took us into his vicarage to show us his list of burials (or it could have been MIs). In any case it was a typed list (and judging by the type, done in the 1950s I would guess). He looked for my 3 x g.grandmother's name and also my 3 x g.grandfather (they weren't married and 2 x g.grandfather took his mother's surname). They weren't on the list, but neither were the names of my 2 x g.grandmother and her baby daughter and their grave was definitely there and very legible!
I think what I'm saying Sally is that if you meet the vicar don't expect the list he has to be accurate. ;D
He told us that any after 1850 would be in the Cemetery, but according to NBI, my 3 x g.grandfather who died in 1852 is buried in the churchyard, as is my 3 x g.grandmother but she died much earlier.
Lizzie
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Hi Lizzie
was nice of the vicar to let you have a look, I wish all of them would do that. My OH has a family we are sure are buried in a church yard in Cambridgeshire, and have rang the vicar, written to her, and even e-mailed her, and still got no reply, all we want to do is look at the parish reg, as its not in the records office at Cambridge.
regards
ricky
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Sally
Thanks for the offer, names and plot numbers are listed below, if you can't find anything don't worry too much;
Mabel Hay, 71 Hewson Rd Buried 24/01/1921 Age 12 Canwick Road Plot C1065
George Hay, Sibthorpe St, Buried 05/09/1911 Age 2 months, Canwick Road Plot C1335
Donald Hay, Hewson Rd, Buried 28/09/1916 Age 15m, Canwick Road Plot C1348
I'm going to be really cheeky and just throw another plot number in here, B106, three members of the Elmer family recorded in the plot
George Elmer buried 1901
Susannah Elmer buried 1894
George Thorbon Elmer buried 1942
Thanks again
Glen
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Hi Glen
I was hoping to have visited the cemetery before now, but unfortunately things cropped up and I had to cancel my visit! - but hope to get their next week.
I have taken down the details and as soon as I can get their I will see what I can find out for you.
Regards
Sally
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Thankyou Sally.
Don't panic too much, after all they will still be there next week (and next month :))
Glen
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Hi Glen
I had a wander around the Cemetery for a couple of hours but not much luck I'm affraid :-(
Help from the Receptionist at the Crematorium showed the Hay children were all buried in graves not purchased and therefore she said there wouldn't be gravestones for them.
I will look out for the Elmers when I next visit there as it looks like they are all at St Swinthins!
Sorry I haven't been much help, but hopefully next time I go the Groundsman may be there to help me again ;)
Regards
Sally
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Thanks Sally, your efforts haven't been in vain and i'm very grateful.
The girl on the right of the photograph (Alice) grew up not knowing where her siblings were buried and would often say that they were not buried at all ("they were just taken away"), it's something she used to get quite upset about apparently. It's through her g-daughter that i have the photograph and the story.
Although i know differently about the burials it's nice to see an explanation about the plots and lack of stones, in fact it is probably better knowing that there were no headstones in the first place, better that than thinking they were forgotten and left over the years and something to share with Elsies' grand daughter when i next speak with her.
Thanks again.
Glen
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WRONG TOWN! I am looking for Grantham cemetery LOL
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Hi Debbie
Canwick Road is in Lincoln, Grantham is about 26 miles away
ricky
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Hi Debbie
Canwick Road is in Lincoln, Grantham is about 26 miles away
ricky
HAHAHAHA, yes, I live in Lincoln!! I was thinking about new information I received regarding plot numbers for Grantham cemetery when I started reading this and had a brain melt down I suppose you could call it, so posted a query about Grantham cemetery and then realised I looked totally mad asking a question about Grantham and not Lincoln so modified :ie deleted the intial post of mine.
silly loopy me! LOL
Best
Debbie
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Hello everyone :)
I'm coming very late to this thread but I hope I can clarify some details on Canwick Cemetery.
I've just returned today from a successful visit having gained some knowledge from here beforehand
All three cemeteries now have new plot reference boards installed and I've uploaded them below.
I was searching for my GGrandfather in plot D2815 and had no success using the grid shown earlier in this thread.
A cemetery staff member was very helpful - he was grass cutting but gave up his time to fetch both the register and plot plans from the office.
I hope these photos help :)
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I was searching for my GGrandfather in plot D2815 and had no success using the grid shown earlier in this thread.
Welcome seejayess :)
Sorry my earlier plan wasn't right :-[ Clearly the people who deposited the MIs in the Archives must have made their own plan. Perhaps it explains why I couldn't find my grandparents grave.
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As you say Geoff there are two different methods of recording the plot, i have finally found the MI listing for some of my relatives as compiled by the FHS and available in the library.
The listing is for the Old Cemetery and the plot reference is N37 (Last entry on the lsit below, surname of Hay). Clearly there isn't a section "N" on the board as you enter the cemetery but the listing is in a loose cover which has an outline of the section and all the 31,32,33...... numbers noted to indicate where they are.
The loose covers are useful but for plots on the right hand side of the cemetert it is more difficult to place them accurately as the sections "c" and "d" as shown on the board are almost mirror images of each other.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/scan0001.jpg)
The cemetery register gives the plot number as A740 (i found the details when familyhistoryonline.net was still functioning).
The location of the plot is marked below,
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/glenintinselknickers/canwick.jpg)
Looking back over the thread i did post a picture of the stone (13th of September), the MI listing and the headstone only show two burials, the cemetery register shows a third burial in the plot, it's only by combing the MI listing, cemetery register and a bit of legwork that i pieced it all together, the MI list alone might not be enough to locate a grave and it's also worth remembering the MI list was comiled some time ago and lists some stones which no longer stand.
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you can buy CDs from the Lincs Family History Society, I think they were £10, of the Lincoln burials and that gives plot numbers. I have found LOADS of mine. If you want anything looking up let me know the name approx. date of death, approx. age at death and last address if you have it . I know the £15 charge from the cemetery is expensive but I know if you give them notice of your visit and you know the plot numbers they can arrange for someone to show you where they are. It is a HUGE cemetery
Penny
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Lizzie W
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Hi Penny
Sorry, if I confused you, it was nothing to do with your post.
I typed a comment about a Rootschatter finding the grave (no stone) of an ancestor of mine in Canwick Road Cemetery and then realised I'd already typed something similar when the thread first started, so I deleted my response.
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that's ok then. I have the CD from the Lincs FHS of Lincoln Burials which gives plot numbers if you need anything looking up
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Thank you. I presume you mean just Lincoln cemeteries.
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Hi Lizzie - yes just Lincoln. The CDs I have cover the following
Canwick Road (Old and New) 1856 - 1985
Canwick Road 1986 - 1999
St Swithins (on Canwick Road) 1890 - 1999
Newport 1856 - 1942 and 1943 - 1999
St Peter in Eastgate 1856 - 1999
If you or anyone else needs a look up I'd be more than happy.
The office at Canwick Road cemetery is more than happy to help you locate a plot if you have the plot number but always best to give them a call and let them know when you plan to visit.
Penny
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Thanks Penny, when I have time I'll look at the details of my Lincolnshire ancestors to see which ones died in Lincoln itself.
Lizzie
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worth bearing in mind that SOMETIMES people died in the surrounding villages but were buried in Lincoln when local graveyards ceased being used but the CD does give the last address of the deceased.
Let me know when you need anything looking up
Penny
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I've just opened up a massive new line of Chambers family and found a few probate entries for some but still have lots to go through and sort out, doubtless all the ones I had and dismissed before are records I now need!! ::)
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Don't know if you still need help - you can buy a CD of the Lincoln burials for £10 from the Lincs Family History Society
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Hi Penny
Appreciate the thread is from a few years back.
My 3x great grandparents Mary (d1886) and Patrick (d1901) King are in Canwick Old plot D795. No idea if MI.
I am visiting Lincoln this weekend, any chance your CD database gives any further details. I know from Cemetery record transcript on FindMyPast they lived in St Peter Gowts - Princes Street for Mary and then Salthouse, later renamed as eastern Princess - for Patrick, which tallies with censuses.
Any further info would be great.
Many thanks
David
Long Buckby
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Hi I have been out all morning so just seen this. I'll see what I can find for you. Enjoy your trip to Lincoln
Penny
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Hi. I've had a look and found a few things for you. Mary King buried 20th Feb 1886. From scan of burial register :-
Mary King of 65 Princess Street, St Peter at Gowts (which is towards the bottom end of the High Street), buried 20th Feb 1886 age 76 ceremony performed b William Croft Catholic Priest. In unconsecrated plot.
Patrick King of 1 Salthouse Lane, St Peter at Gowts. Buried 6th April 1901 age 95 Ceremony performed by William Croft Catholic Priest. In unconsecrated plot.
There is a 3rd person in the grave - don't know if there is a family connection at all.
Arthur Emmanuel Loewental of Wellingore Old Vicarage. Buried 19 Nov 1964 (didn't check the scan of the burial register as it's pay to view). His wife Rosa Katherina J Loewental of West Parade Lincoln buried 5th Feb 1958 she in the next door plot D794. I did find her probate record attached. Her husband was an artist - interesting. No trace of probate record for him.
If D 795 is a shared grave ie the Kings didn't purchase the grave plot it's unlikely there's an MI. It's not listed on the Lincs MIs on FindMyPast but the Bereavement services of the council who operate the cemeteries should be able to tell you - bereavementservices@lincoln.gov.uk they're very helpful and if you arrnage it beforehand they'll usually arrange for someone to take you to the plot and show you where it is. Hope this helps. Enjoy your visit to LIncoln . Kind regards Penny
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Patricks burial record
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Mary King burial register scan
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Let me know how you get on.
Kind regards
Penny
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The Lowenetals mentioned a lot on the British Newspaper Atchives website apparently a famous scluptor who exhibited at the Usher Gallery. If you google him https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB889GB889&sxsrf=ALiCzsZ5W9a0RUNVpTU4TPHVuOSCkFyduA:1652886822977&q=artur+immanuel+loewental&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwie2L-fq-n3AhWuQUEAHY5HAk0Q7xYoAHoECAEQMg&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1 think he was buried with your Kings as in the next plot to his wife.
Penny
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several items mentioning him of the British Newpaper Archives website https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=loewental%20&somesearch=loewental&retrievecountrycounts=false&sortorder=dayearly&country=england&page=4
I also found his probate record https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/17868337:1904?tid=&pid=&queryId=38b030d4a0efb2fd76f036bc76583166&_phsrc=YEd19604&_phstart=successSource don't know who the executor is Gizelle Bauer Kind regards
Penny
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The Loewentals in 1939 in London, from google then came here from Austria in 1934 and lived in Lincoln for the last 20yrs of his life. Looks like they had a son, if you could trace descendants they may know why he's buried with your Kings ..https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=TNA%2FR39%2F0466%2F0466A%2F010%2F14 Kind regards
Penny
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Penny
Thank you so much for all of this. Excellent background with some intriguing mysteries. I always prefer to see copies of actual records and the burial entries will be a valuable addition to my vast archive.
Patrick and Mary (nee Quin) were born in Ireland in 1806 and 1810 respectively. They moved to Lincoln before being recorded on the 1851 census living in Ashton’s Court, St Peter at Gowts, where they were also in 1861. 1871 they were in Gowts Passage - appears to have been somewhere off the High Street at around no. 404-405. Their last ‘sighting’ in 1881 was in Princess Street.
Patrick was a bricklayer, no doubt one of many who escaped the Famine to make a life for his family in England. His son Thomas, also born Annagh Co. Mayo, married a Lincs lass Jane Emmingham - I have her family back 5 generations to the 1650s in Corringham. A daughter of Thomas and Jane was Mary Ann King, my Nanna’s mother.
Patrick and Mary King were Catholic, confirmed by the priest holding the service, and possibly the reason for unconsecrated ground. I would not expect an MI.
The Loewental information may just be as you suspect - overspill from the next plot. I have not located the lives of all of Patrick and Mary King’s children so there is a possible connection - unlikely. More research needed.
Once again many thanks. Our visit is short, with a lot to do. Many churches and graveyards unfortunately no longer exist like St Martins where Thomas King and Jane Emmingham were married - I have just learned today that one - St Botolphs - has recently been sold to the Greek Orthodox Church. At least it still stands!
I have emailed the bereavement address for some guidance on the cemetery.
David
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Hi David. I remember St Martins church well and it's 2 graveyards. I lived on Victoria Street 1956 - 1959 and went to the Girl Guides at the church which was just opposite the end of Victoria Street. The 2 graveyards are in Garmston Street off Hungate behind the Cheese Shop, just the slabs used as paving which I used to walk through going to school at St Martins school 59 - 60 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itWQOvFWq6s and another graveyard at the bottom end of Beaumont Fee which was used as an overflow burial ground for St Martins up to 1850. It was mainly the graveyard for St Mary Crackpool (long gone) https://heritage-explorer.lincolnshire.gov.uk/Monument/MLI89657 I hope you enjoy your trip
Penny
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I was looking for the parish record for the marriage of Jane Emmingham and Thomas King at St Martins as you said but it's not there, they were married at St Paul in the Bail up by the castle (gone now) I've attached the parish record for you and link to FindMyPast https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FLINCS%2FLINCOLN_ST_PAUL_IN_THE_BAIL_PAR_1_7%2F0257&parentid=GBPRS%2FLINCS%2FMAR%2F00266690%2F2 Hope you don't mind me pointing it out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3ZabY6inHQ Penny
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Penny
Certainly do not mind the correction. I have the marriage record copy - was trying to get things ready for trip tomorrow - attending a wedding in North Hykeham - and got my Lincoln churches confused!
Returning to the Loewental family I think we are perhaps looking at either a sexton or clerical error. Their son Anton Ignatz appears to have changed his name on naturalisation in 1947 to Lucas. He appears to have married Doris Louise Ghetler in 1950 and Electoral Registers show them as living in Church Street Leatherhead in 1961-62. There is a tree on ancestry with Anton and Doris - I have messaged the owner for more info.
As said I am not expecting an MI, however there may be one for such a reknowned sculptor such as Artur Imanuel Loewental and his wife which would stand out. Hopefully my ancestors are in the next plot.
Looking forward to this short trip - have many ancestor families all over Lincolnshire so certainly have to come back.
Just hope I get the right church!
Kind regards
David
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I was born and raised in Lincoln and lived there til my early 20s when I went down South to work for an airline where I met my husband. After we married in 73 we moved to Lincoln but hubby did not settle and we moved back down South in 76 and been here ever since but I miss Lincoln more than ever now. I too have my roots in LIncolnshire and have been researching since I retired in 2010. I hope you solved the issue with which grave Artur is in and which your Kings, I would have thought he would have been placed with his wife but stranger things have happened. Hope you have a good weekend, and if I can help in any other way just give me a shout.
Kind regards
Penny
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yes under Penny van den Bosch
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Hi Had a freind request on FB from David Cadd. Is that you ?
Kind regards
Penny
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Hi Penny
Yes it is.
David
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ok that's fine, just wary re accepting friend requests from names that aren't familiar
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Hello everyone :)
I'm coming very late to this thread but I hope I can clarify some details on Canwick Cemetery.
I've just returned today from a successful visit having gained some knowledge from here beforehand
All three cemeteries now have new plot reference boards installed and I've uploaded them below.
I was searching for my GGrandfather in plot D2815 and had no success using the grid shown earlier in this thread.
A cemetery staff member was very helpful - he was grass cutting but gave up his time to fetch both the register and plot plans from the office.
I hope these photos help :)
Thank you for this,
What I was confused about before seeing this, was when Canwick Road New Cemetery opened. My 3x great Phoebe Hall (maiden name Clapham) was buried on the 1st of June 1864 in plot number A650. :)
Her husband was buried at Canwick Road New Cemetery in 1917 in section S, plot number 288, with his second wife.
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I went today, visited both Canwick's, Swithins and Newport.
Using Findagrave, Newport is quite easy to navigate if you have the plot number.
Canwick New Cemetery is okay, once you get used to the way the plots are in squares.
Canwick Old is difficult, and I had the same as many people, I found only one of 5, but the staff there are really helpful and we had quite a chat. They don't mind helping if you have only a couple of names. I had 25, but as I said to them, I only needed help with The Old Cemetery, and they got the maps out to help. He later came across to the New Cemetery to see how I was getting on, so really nice to help.
David
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Just before the pandemic hit I set myself the task of piecing together the hundreds of Chambers burials in Lincoln as I had a feeling many were related to each other. Many times the same forenames appear and the census returns showed them living in the same area, often as neighbours or just a few doors apart.
Using the FHS listings I was able to work out quite a few family groups by address and/or plot numbers. I was in the process of entering them on findagrave (I had entered about 90), but soon after I started the entire FHS listing was uploaded to findagrave. With the mass upload and several years of work done by another findagrave member in the years before I now know there are in excess of 300 of the family related to me buried in the Canwick and Newport cemeteries and over 800 when including other surnames.