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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: 243rose on Monday 14 April 08 15:24 BST (UK)
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Hi.
I am thinking of having my maternal/paternal dna traced to see what tribe in britain i decend from or what part of the world i come from way back when.
Does anyone out there have any experience/ stories about this and was the experience worth the money???????
TA
Iain
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There is a word of warning in a FH Journal I received to-day that going via Ancestry tells you very little. I went to a lecture on DNA and Oxford Ancestor was the one which was recommended.
Oxford Ancestor in a Search Engine will bring it up. It's not cheap but I understood more informative.
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i did have a quick look at that.
my brother is going to go 50/50 with me.
he is convinced he is part viking.
my dad had jupitons contracture and was told by a doctor that dna has narrowed sufferers down to viking decendants.
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Hi again Iain,
Glad to see you're still with us!
Aren't the shape of the feet supposed to be an indicator - or have I dreamt that?
Paulene :)
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well my 2nd toes are way longer than my big toe, same with my mum.
missing link maybe.
Iain
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I can't find the bit about feet at the mo - will let you know if I do.
Hope yours are Ok by the way - and you're eating the cherries and pineapple!
I bought a wonderful book a couple of months ago (haven't read it yet) called Face of Britian by Robin McKie - have you read it, Iain?
Paulene :)
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saw it in the shop then read a negative review on amazon which put me off a bit.
Had a cherry yoghurt the other day if that counts.
Also had several bottles of red wine and no sign of an attack.... i shall keep on experimenting.
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tut tut
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No seriously, I must read it and I'll let you know, Iain.
What it does say though is that they reconstructed the head of an Anglo-Saxon man.....it had a strong cleft chin and a bifid nose, which is marked by a division into lobes at the tip. These bones are linked to a central groove visible on the bone of the chin and on the base of the nose.
Pauene :)
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That all counts me out.
98% of my traced family are from south of england.......... my mums side fenland people from Cambs and Norfolk and my dads surrey and devon.
i think i would be decended from german mercenries......
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Well, Iain, he goes on to say that these cleft chins and bifid noses are characteristics associated strongly with Germanic populations. (or are you joking again Iain!? ???)
Paulene :)
Anyway, we're digressing.
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Well.
i believe that fen people were populated by germanic mercenries who were invited over to sort out a few problems.........
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Hi Iain,
I've been trying to find the information about foot shape, but without success.
However, I found these two sites, which should be of interest. You might have seen the genuki one already:
www.genuki.org.uk/big/bigmisc/DNA.html
http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD020882.html
Hope these help a bit.
Take care,
Paulene :)
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To 243rose. I did post a response on this subject but probably in the wrong section. I just wanted you to know my family: Brother, Son, and I did take these tests and my Brother did two one from Oxford Ancestors and the other RootsforReal. He had to take another Y to get the "Tribes of Britain". It was a very disappointing test getting probability instead of fact and listed "Mediterranean" as the tribe. My son, however, had a very interesting result on RootsforReal listing 50 hits which you could see all over Europe and other parts. I wish myself and brother could have been so lucky receiving so little info. A very good article on RootsforReal of a story of one man who had similar results called The Scotsman Wed. 4th June 2003. Loved Iain Kennedy article.
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Hi.
this is interesting.
did the oxford results match the more detailed rootsforReal results?? and what tribe in britain do you come from.... or was the answer to that european.
i take it the one for you was tracing your maternal line ??
iain
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Hallo Iain. I got interested in DNA following a documentary: African American Lives-2006.4-part series Dr. Peter Forster whose company RootsforReal was mentioned. I was hoping that a follow-up documentary dealing with Europeans would be done. I took the mt/DNA test and my brother and son did the Y/DNA. His result (1) Andalusan Arab, Tunisia (big surprise). Obviously the Father/Son strain mutated or (data base not yet big enough). Mine a poor 5 hits showing Germany/France Helena Halogroup. So, my Brother tried Oxford Ancestry Y/DNA and Tribes of Great Britain test. His certificate showed " He carries a Y-chromosome recognised as being of probable Mediterranean origin concentrated East Anglia and Southern England and his paternal clan was Gilamesh. The one match listed was later withdraw as being incorrect. No matches between RootsforReal or Oxford Ancestry info (different data bases)?
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i suppose it is still in it's infancy.
it's very tempting to have it done although i'm not sure the money spent will equal the results obtained.
So overall you would probably recommend the RootsForReal.
will you have it done again in 5/10 years maybe when the database is fuller.
iain
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My response is I, personally, will wait until they have found a better method of locating a better way to test Mt and Y DNA before I would pay for another test. We have always been told we came from Africa and Roots for Real map show the migration patterns and the route your possible ancestors took which is quite interesting.
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Okay.
thanks.
will let you know my results if i have it done.
all the best
iain
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I have tested with 6 different DNA testing companies now and run the Kennedy project with DNA Heritage who use 43 markers. This test is compatible with the new DNA.Ancestry (ancestry.com) test. Although I have used Oxford Ancestors they are lagging a bit in terms of what they offer (10 markers). Bit of a shame really as Professor Sykes at Oxford was the one who got the whole concept of surname DNA testing going.
Yes you could wait for more people to populate the various databases, but suppose everyone did that?
Iain Kennedy
http://www.kennedydna.com
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Iain.
Thanks for the telling off...... i like a bit of disipline.
I have had a quick look at yr website and after reading for a couple of minutes will settle down to read the rest.
Hopefully it'll give me a greater insight into the whole process and point me in the direction i should go .
Many thanks.
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That was interesting but as we say here in USA I want the most bang for my bucks and my family submitted swabs for the tests I had mentioned there was no info re "mutation" factor but that Father to Son, Mother to Daughter was an unbroken line. I found out that mutations do occur and that break sends out a new line which as far as I know the before/after gives little retrievable info. Things seem to be moving ahead at fast speed and I agree the more markers the better the test. Good Luck if you go ahead you may turn out to be one of those with unbroken lines.
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i've felt pretty broken for a long time.....i will let you know how it goes.
I read the web site adhered to in a previous post.
i would have liked the explainations to be a bit more reader friendly.... there is a place for plain speak.
Cheers
iain
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Iaian Kennedy. Read you One-Name Article and have a question for you re your reference to R1b haplogroup. How does the R1b fit with the names such as Ursula, Helena, etc. or does it? Thank you
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Ursula Helena etc are user-friendly names made up by Professor Bryan Sykes to head up the maternal (mitochondrial) groups. These are what he called the Seven Daughters of Eve as almost everyone in Europe descends from one of them. I'm in Helena (group H) along with about 40% of Europeans.
R1b is the biggest paternal (Y-chromosome) group in Europe.
Both groups have sub-divisions. eg I'm in R1b1c7 for Y-DNA which is a Celtic sub-group from Ireland and Scotland mostly. You can get sub-group tests for Helena too although I haven't done mine yet.
Iain
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Did you find out about sub group R1b1 by DNA test or by joining Kennedy Surname search. Would you know if any of these companies that offer free DNA tests include the new more recent SNPs 2006 that you mention in your article. Thank you
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R1b is most common in Western Europe, and R1a is most common in Eastern Europe.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Y-Haplogroup_R1_distribution.png
R1b is red, R1a is pink.
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Thank you Comosus. A good map to go into my file.
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The only organisation I know of that offers free testing is SMGF and that would not cover low level SNP testing such as you mentioned.
http://www.smgf.org/
Iain
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Are there some who offer free testing based on a particular surname that is being researched?
I seem to vaguely remember reading some time ago about a project, might have been the Richards surname, which invited free testing - or did I dream it!?
Paulene :)
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Each surname project has its own funding policy and you would have to inspect each one individually to find out. I offer free tests to Kennedys subject to some criteria.
http://www.kennedydna.com/volunteer.htm
A number operate like mine by offering free tests to build the base for the paying customers (usually brick-walled in the New World) to compare themselves against.
Iain Kennedy
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IanKennedy. I questioned RootsforReal.com re my brother's DNA result. I am told he belongs to "G" Haplogroup. Also they very kindly sent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroups.( I am so inefficient on a computer so hope you can get this address). It really has some interesting info. even about the Group you belong to.