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Looking for information on the family of my great great grandfather James Scott Christie, he was a convict sent to Tasmania in 1842. His fathers name was James, a Tobacco and Snuff manufacturer in Golden Square, he also had two brothers John a parliamentary secretary and William a master baker, We have found a lot of information in regards to James Scott but not a lot on his two brothers and mother and father.
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From A2A
http://www.a2a.org.uk/
Guildhall Library
Records of Sun Fire Office (Insurers)
FILE - Policy register - ref. MS 11936/471 - date: 1816-1817
item: [no title] - ref. MS 11936/471/919947 - date: 25 July 1816
Insured: James Christie 42 Brewer Street Golden Square tobacco manufacturer
FILE - Policy register - ref. MS 11936/477 - date: 1818-1819
item: [no title] - ref. MS 11936/477/944056 - date: 29 July 1818
Insured: James Christie 42 Brewer Street Golden Square tobacco manufacturer
FILE - Policy register - ref. MS 11936/521 - date: 1828-1829
item: [no title] - ref. MS 11936/521/1078729 - date: 30 July 1828
Insured: James Christie 43 Brewer Street Golden Square tobacconist
FILE - Policy register - ref. MS 11936/533 - date: 1831-1832
item: [no title] - ref. MS 11936/533/1133607 - date: 20 January 1832
Insured: James Christie, 43 Brewer Street Golden Square, tobacconist
Regards
Valda
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According to James Scott Christie's letter this is his father's death registration.
http://member.melbpc.org.au/~albonser/christies.html
Deaths Mar 1838
Christie James St James Westminster 1 135
You can order the death certificate from the GRO
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
If James Christie senior was buried
'He died in January 1838 - buried in the famed Bunhill Row Burying Ground'
Then he was non-conformist. A look up request for Bunhill Row Burying Ground should give you the names of anyone buried with him.
A possible for his brother William
Guildhall Library
Records of Sun Fire Office (Insurers)
FILE [no title] - ref. MS 11936/540 [n.d.]
item: [no title] - ref. MS 11936/540/1172635 - date: 12 February 1834
Insured: William Christie, 31 Bow Lane, baker, and Thomas Lott, 43 Bow Lane Cheapside, solicitor
FILE [no title] - ref. MS 11936/554 [n.d.]
item: [no title] - ref. MS 11936/554/1247184 - date: 15 March 1837
Insured: William Christie 51 Bow Lane baker
Regards
Valda
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A possible for brother William
1841 census HO107 722/4 Enumeration scedule 7
Bow Lane St Mary Le Bow London
William Christie 35 Bist (Biscuit) Baker born Middlesex
Charlott Christie 35 not born Middlesex
plus 2 baker journeymen
Adult ages (those over 15) usually rounded down to the nearest 5
This may not be the same man
Prerogative Court of Canterbury will
Will of William Christie, Baker of No 31 Bouverie Street , City of London 02 April 1842 PROB 11/1960
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/
but Bouverie Street is very close to Holborn
Deaths Mar 1842
CHRISTIE William London 2 140
1851 census HO107 1530 folio 13
51 Bow Lane St Mary Le Bow London
Charlotte Christie Head Widow 47 Baker City of London
plus 2 baker journeymen
Regards
Valda
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A possible for John Christie if he lived in London
1841 census HO107 736/10 Enumeration schedule 6
Queen Street St James Westminster
Elizabeth Christie 48 (but might be 68) Ind.(Independent means) Scotland
John Christie 25 Solicitor born Middlesex
1851 census HO107 1485 folio 226
36 Broad Street St James Westminster
John Christie Lodger Unmarried 34 Solicitor's General Clerk St James Westminster Middlesex
Joseph Ivory Visitor 16 Carpenter Deptford Kent
May not be his death registration but I can't find him on subsequent censuses
Deaths Sep 1854
CHRISTIE John St James 1a 313
These baptisms might have been later than the births but otherwise they don't fit the birthdate James Scott Christie gives but do fit this John, so he may be a red herring
JOHN CHRISTIE
Christening: 31 MAR 1816 Wells Street Scotch Church, Saint Marylebone, London
Father: JAMES CHRISTIE
Mother: ELISABETH
JAMES CHRISTIE
Christening: 17 MAY 1818 Wells Street Scotch Church, Saint Marylebone, London
Father: JAMES CHRISTIE
Mother: ELIZABETH
WILLIAM CHRISTIE
Christening: 13 JAN 1822 Wells Street Scotch Church, Saint Marylebone, London
Father: JAMES CHRISTIE
Mother: ELIZABETH
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
Thanks for all the information you found. I'm the sister of 'mebe' and just came across this through a search engine.
What we have so far is the following:
Baptism Records: actual photos of the records, which list the fathers occupation as Tobacconist, so we're pretty confident that it's them.
We 'think' James Scott Christie may have mixed up his year of birth, as we found him on the York Convict Ship in the 1841 census, and he's listed as 20. If he'd actually been born in 1813, that should have had his age at 25. After seeing some of the actual handwriting, I can understand how this could have been muddled up.
Copies of the Insurance Records for James Christie, Tobacconist (All four of them)
Death Certificate: James Christie, Tobacconist. (Carnaby Street) This sadly only gave us a rough year for when he was born, and John's address (Golden Square) and occupation.
We also 'think' we may have found the marriage of James and Elizabeth (Hall), in 1815, St. George Hanover Square, but haven't gotten around to researching that any further yet. No other marriages seem to fit, and the one thing I've noticed while doing this research is that generally, a couple got married and had children within the first year or two.
The information for the 1851 census was to be our next step. It's good to see that John may still have been around then, although, as you mention, he and William seem to just disappear after that. It's interesting that John may have been a lodger at Broad Street, as we've assumed that's where William was living in the 1841 census, but it doesn't give the actual house number.
I've only just finished a subscription at one site, and I was going to sort out all that information before moving onto the next subscription, although, seeing that John Christie in the 1851 census is a little exciting, and the sorting may get put on hold!
Again, thankyou for the information.
Victoria
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Hi Victoria
Adult ages on the 1841 census, those over 15, were usually rounded down to the nearest 5.
Regards
Valda
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Valda,
That's why we think that if he was born in 1813, his age in 1841 would have been 28, so he'd have been listed at 25, not 20.
Thanks again
Victoria
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If he was a convict James wouldn't be the one supplying the information to the census enumerator. Institution officals were not always precise about inmate details.
Regards
Valda
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Not sure if we are crossing paths here but I'm a Rodsted and chasing info as well re Christie. My Great Grandmother was Jessie Christie.
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Your name's giving it all away Darcy! lol you need to check out one of my other posts!
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James Scott Christie and Hannah Tyley were my great great great grandparents.
Is anyone still on this thread?