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I'm a beginner at this and looking for my roots from Angus. I know that Alexander Simpson was born in 1857 to William and Elisebeth Low Simpson and married Elizabeth Nicol in 1881 (Parish of Edzell). Elizabeth's father was John Nicol and mother Catherine Grant Nicol. I would like ANY info :) Thanks so much!
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Hi Suzieroots,
Welcome from the world,
Sorry it has taken so long to get, a response.
After our private, talk, I have found this out for you, I have put it here, so others, can view, possible relations. I know youknow some of this already.
1881 census of the parents of Elizabeth Nicoll
Dwelling: 22 St Marys Place
Census Place: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John NICOLL M 71 M Tannadice, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Ag Lab (Unemployed)
Catherine NICOLL M 67 F Kirkden, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Janet NICOLL U 42 F Aberlemno, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Linen Weaver
Janet NICOLL U 23 F Oathlaw, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Grand Daur
Occ: Linen Weaver
Andrew NICOLL 15 M Brechin, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
Occ: Scholar
George NICOLL 10 M Kinnel, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Grandson
Occ: Scholar
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1881 census
Parents of Alexander Simpson
Dwelling: Burnteadie
Census Place: Lethnot & Navar, Forfar, Scotland
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William SIMPSON M 52 M Stracathro, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Ag Lab (Farm Serv)
Elisabeth SIMPSON M 49 F Farnell, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Wife
James S. SIMPSON 12 M Lethnot, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William SIMPSON 10 M Lethnot, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Jane B. SIMPSON 4 F Lethnot, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Dau
CHILDREN OF
Father: John Nicol, Mother: Catherine Grant
[they married 3 Jun 1837 Dunnechen, and 17/6/1837 Aberlemno, Angus]
JANET NICHOLL Female Christening: 17 JUN 1838 Aberlemno, Angus, Scotland
WILLIAM NICOLL Male Christening: 08 SEP 1839 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
Mary Ann Nicol Female Birth: 1840 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
GEORGE NICOLL Male Christening: 01 OCT 1843 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
JOHN NICOLL Male Christening: 25 MAY 1846 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
CATHERINE BAXTER NICOLL Female Christening: 04 APR 1848 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
ALEXANDER NICOLL Male Christening: 30 SEP 1849 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
HOMAS WILSON NICOLL Male Christening: 17 APR 1853 Tannadice, Angus, Scotland
ELIZABETH NICOLL Female Birth: 30 JUN 1855 Oathlaw, Angus, Scotland
HELEN NICOLL Female Birth: 03 AUG 1859 Fern, Angus, Scotland
THOMAS NICOLL Male Marriage: 04 DEC 1874 Errol, Perth, Scotland
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CHILDREN Of
William Simpson and Elizabeth Low [ they married 13/10/1854 Edzell]
MARY ANN WYLLIE SIMPSON Female Birth: 30 JAN 1855 Brechin, Angus,
ALEXANDER SIMPSON Male Birth: 29 MAR 1857 Edzell, Angus,
MARJORY SIMPSON Female Birth: 18 FEB 1859 Fettercairn, Kincardine
JOHN SIMPSON Male Birth: 12 JAN 1862 Lethnot And Navar, Angus,
BETSY CHRICHTON SIMPSON Female Birth: 11 APR 1864 Lethnot And Navar, Angus,
DAVID SIMPSON Male Birth: 11 APR 1866 Lethnot And Navar, Angus,
JAMES SMITH SIMPSON Male Birth: 17 JUN 1868 Lethnot And Navar, Angus,
WILLIAM SIMPSON Male Birth: 21 JUL 1870 Lethnot And Navar, Angus
i have the Deaths of Elizabeth Low Simpson and John Nicoll and his wife Catherine Grant Nicoll.
I just have to work out the spelling..
get back to you kenjo ;D
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Update, for Suzieroots,
DEATH of...........
Elizabeth Simpson, aged 52yrs, died of Fatty disease of Heart.
married to William Simpson [ploughman]
7 Jan 1883, at 1.10PM. Boglon , Lethnot.
Father .... John Low [cowfeeder]
Mother.....Mary Sievwright, deceased
Informant was Husband,, William Simpson.....
This means also that Elizabeth's father was still alive when she died.
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DEATH of....
John Nicoll, General Laborer, 72yrs,
Married to Catherine Baxter Grant.
Died 25th Dec 1882, at 1.45PM, at 22 St Mary St, Dundee.
Father William Nicoll, General Laborer.deceased
Mother Barbara Nicoll, maiden surname H???e. deceased
Informant, son John Nicoll, living at 214 Abergate.
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DEATH of...........
Catherine Nicoll, aged 79yrs, widow of John Nicoll, Farm Servant.
died 22 Oct 1892, 9.15 PM. living at 20 Fleuchar st, Dundee.
Father David Grant, Lint Mutler. deceased.
Mother Jane Tindal, deceased.
Died of simple fracture of neck of Femur, shock and debility.
Informant Andrew Nicoll grandson.
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DEATHOF......
MAY LOW 70yrs, married to John Low [Dairyman]
died 16/6/1873, at 10.30PM, living at Banks of Brchin.
Father John Sievwright [shoemaker Master] deceased.
Mother Jean Sievwright Maiden surname Dorward. deceased.
died of Bronchitis,
Informant , husband John Low.
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DEATH OF......
JOHN LOW, 88yrs, Cowfeeder, Married to 1st May Sievwright,
and 2nd to Betsy Willocks,
died 26/4/1891 at 11PM, at Banks of Brechin,
Father.... John Low , Handloom Weaver, deceased.
Mother ....Isabella Low, Maiden surname, Brown, deceased.
died of Heart disease.
Informant David stewert, Neighbour.
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1881 census
Dwelling: Banks
Census Place: Brechin, Forfar, Scotland
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
John LOW W 78 M Farnell, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Dairyman
Isabella FINLAYSON U 58 F Farnell, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Niece
Occ: Servant Domestic
Elizabeth CARR U 55 F Edzell, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Servant Domestic
Betsy WILLOCKS U 46 F Lethnot, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Servant Domestic
Helen MITCHELL 15 F Kinnell, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: Servant Domestic
regards
kenjo ;)
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Thank you so much :)
Suzie
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Has anyone any details of the marriage of Elizabeth Nicol born 1738 Montrose to Alexander Spark on 5 Jun 1763 in Montrose.
I am trying to find where Alexander came from and who his parents were.
Elizabeth's parents were Peter Niccol and Mary Walsh who married 27 June 1736 in Montrose
Cheers Jane
Alexander & Elizabeth's 5x Gt Grandaughter
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I don't have any info right now, but I'll keep my eye open and let you know if I run across anything. ;)
Suzie
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Name: Frederick NICOLL
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Birth: 1819 Arbroath, Fofar.
Christen: 24 4 1819 St. Vigeans, Arbroath, Fofar.
Death: 10 1 1863 34 Applegate, Arbroath, Forfar.1
Occupation: Weaver later Pte. 71st Foot.
Father: David NICOLL
Mother: Bryce BARRIE (1792-1858)
Marriage: 6 7 1839 St. Vigeans, Arbroath, Fofar.
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Spouse: Catherine LOW
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Birth: 1816 Glasgow
Children:
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1 M: Joseph NICOLL
Birth: 1840 Angus
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2 M: George Stevenson NICOLL
Birth: 25 8 1847
Christen: 20 9 1847 St. Vigeans, Arbroath, Fofar.
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3 F: Ann Gilchrist NICOLL
Birth: 9 11 1855 Arbroath, Fofar.2
Notes for Frederick NICOLL
1841 Census recs.
Dwelling: Back Abbey Street
Census Place: Arbroath, ANS.
NICOL Frederick M 20 Canvas Hand Loom Weaver Angus
NICOL Catherine Low F 20 Angus
NICOL Joseph M 1 Angus
NICOL John (brother Frederick NICOLL) M 15 Canvas Hand Loom Weaver Angus
1855, 26th Jan, enlisted 71st Foot, Arbroath district:
Rgtl no. 3934
Pte., Federick NICOLL.,
Age 26,
Height 5ft. 8 1/2ins.
Quarterly Pay List recs:
Levy payment £7-2-6d and a Highland Allowance of 8s.
1855 Regimental Muster Roll recs.
Jan-Mar, Winchester Depot.
Apr-May, in hospital, Winchester.
Jun 1st, Reported with rest of unit to 4th Company Depot, Perth.
Jun 30th, to Malta.
Aug 2nd, to the Crimea.
Sep 1st, joined Highland Division, Balaclava, the Crimea.
Oct, to Yenikull, the Crimea.
Nov 2nd, to Chichester, England.
1856 Regimental Muster Roll recs:
Jan 12th, to Perth.
Jan-Feb, on furlough.
Mar-Jul, in hospital, Perth.
Aug 28th to 23rd Sep, on furlough.
Oct 18th, discharged by reduction, Perth.
Ref. The National Archives, WO12/7895-7897.
Notes for Catherine LOW
1841 Census: Back Abbey Street, Arbroath, ANS, NICOL Catherine Low F 20 Angus
Notes for Joseph (Child 1)
1841 Census: Back Abbey Street, Arbroath, ANS, NICOL Joseph M 1 Angus
Sources
1. Death cert. No.15
Frederick NICOLL, weaver, marr. Catherine LOW
d.1863, Jan 10th, 34 Applegate, Arbroath, ANS, age 44.
f.David NICOLL, flaxdresser, decd.
m.Bryce NICOLL, ms BARRIE, decd.
cod.cancerous tumour.
sign.William NICOLL, brother.
reg.1863, Jan 12th, Arbroath.
2. Birth cert. No.524
NICOLL Ann Gilchrist
b.1855, Nov 6th, Hamilton Green, Arbroath, ANS.
f.Frederick NICOLL, Private 71st Regiment, age 38, pob.? Street, Arbroath.
marr.1839 Jul 5th, St. Vigeans.
sibls.3 boys & 2 girls living, 2 boys decd.
m.Catherine NICOL, ms LOW, age 39, her 8th child, Glasgow, LKS.
sign.Catherine NICOL, her X mark.
wits.William NICOL & Alexander NICOL.
reg.1855, Nov 28th, Arbroath, ANS.
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Last Modified: 22 3 2006
Created: 22 3 2006
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I have also got NICOLLs & SIMPSONS in my tree.
Name: Frederick NICOLL
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Birth: 8 2 1844 32 Church St., Christ Church, Spitalfields, Whitechapel, MDX1
Christen: 31 3 1844 St Mary's, Spital Square, Spitalfields, London.
Death: 15 7 1907 65 Arbroath Rd., Dundee.2
Occupation: Ship wright
Religion: Church of Scotland
Father: George Griffith NICOLL (1812-1874)
Mother: Mary Ann ANDERSON (1821-1906)
Marriage: 27 12 1865 20 Ladyloan, Arbroath3
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Spouse: Eliza SIMPSON
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Birth: 10 1 1845 Arbroath, Forfar.
Christen: 20 1 1845 Arbroath, Forfar.
Death: 23 4 1914 8 Lilybank Rd., Dundee.4
Occupation: Flax mill worker
Religion: Church of Scotland
Father: John SIMPSON (1819-)
Mother: Martha ANDERSON (1819-1896)
Children:
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1 M: Charles NICOLL
Birth: 17 9 1867 47 1/2 Ladyloan, Arbroath5
Death: 10 10 1867 20 Ladyloan, Arbroath6
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2 F: Betsy Simpson NICOLL
Birth: 5 5 1869 3 Marr St., Govan, Lanark7
Religion: Presbyterian
Spouse: George MOORE
Marriage: 24 10 1890 Dundee8
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3 M: George NICOLL
Birth: 17 6 1871 Lady Bridge St., Arbroath, Forfar.9
Death: 2 2 1924 42 Lilybank Road, Dundee10
Occupation: Jute Millworker
Religion: Presbyterian
Spouse: Margaret KENNEDY
Marriage: 7 10 1892 8 Lilybank Rd., Dundee11
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4 M: Frederick NICOLL
Birth: 27 9 1873 7 Guthrie Port, Arbroath, Forfar.12
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5 F: Martha Anderson NICOLL
Birth: 7 10 1875 7 Old Shore Head, Arbroath, Forfar.13
Occupation: Jute Millworker
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6 F: Mary Ann Anderson NICOLL
Birth: 26 10 1877 7 Old Shore Head, Arbroath14
Occupation: Jute spinner.
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7 F: Eliza Frederickina NICOLL
Birth: 10 5 1880 8 Shore, Arbroath15
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8 M: John Simpson NICOLL
Birth: 20 12 1882 22 Bearhope St., Greenock, Renfrewshire16
Occupation: 1891 Census rec. scholar
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9 M: George Nicoll MOORE (Grandchild)
Birth: 15 2 1893 St. Vigeans, Arbroath17
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Susie I need to talk to you. The Nicoll line is my family, Catherine Baxter and John Nicoll. WE live in Australia. \
Geraldine
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Hi Geraldine in Oz,
One set of my GG Grandparents in Forfarshire was James Nicoll (b. Cortachy & Clova) 1814 and Elizabeth Baxter (b. Menmuir) in 1815, who married in Montose in 1841.
Any possible link ?
Aye
DDJJAKE
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DDJJAKE My Nicoll is John Nicoll and Catherine baxter Grant.
John's parents were William Nicoll and Margaret How. They were all born in Forfar, Angus.
See we have a James born 1812. But have nothing on him.
Geraldine
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Hi Geraldine
We each have Nicoll folks in Cortachy and Clova in the 1700s.
I go back to the marriage of James Nicoll (Farmer) b. Dec 1740 who married Mary Addison (b. Mar 1747) in C & C in Dec 1770.
I also have William Baxter b. 1803 Menmuir m. in Brechin 1831 to an Agnes Grant b. Aberlemno 1802.
Aye
DDJJAKE
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We havent been able to go back that far yet.
Still trying to get around this one and also another line.
Geraldine
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Hello, was searching for some information on one of my ancestors and came across this forum posting and I may be able to help with some info here too.
Nicoll's my family and we've got a fair distance back (well c1740 to Griffith and and Mathilda Carey).
We have Frederick and Catherine down. Frederick is my 2nd great granduncle!
So, seeing a few people had replied to this saying they had information and can link - am curious to see where they link in too.
Census info up there is gold dust! thanks for posting that! :)
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DDJJake, I have been going through the Nicoll tree and see where you are talking about Agnes and William Baxter.
Do you have Agnes as the daughter of David Grant and Jean Tindall.
We have Catherine Baxter Grant, born 1817 and that is my realation. There seems to be a big gap in ages with the family.
We wondered where the Baxter came from but don't think from Agnes as she was not married to William when she was born.
The name Catherine Baxter Grant (Colville)was also my grandmother's name and she used it all the time.
So there is a connection with us. Sorry for the late reply.
Geraldine
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Hi Geraldine,
My Agnes Grant [of unregisterd birth on GRO] who married William Baxter in 1831 ... and your Catherine Grant [of unregistered birth on GRO] who married, per GRO image, as plain Catherine Grant, John Nichol (Nicoll) in 1837 both had the parents David Grant and Jean (Jane) Tyndal (Tindall) The middle name Baxter does not appear until Catherine and John Nicoll had their sixth child - Catherine Baxter Nicoll in 1848. This Catherine Baxter Nicoll may have died young as she does not appear in the 1861 Census with mother Catherine and father John ... or may have been with other relations or as a servant as a 12 year old during the 1861 Census
But Helen Nicoll is born as child number ten to Catherine and John in 1859, her mother named as Catherine Baxter Grant ... and on John Nicoll's death registration in 1882 his widow is again named as Catherine Baxter Grant by informant son John Nicoll [born 1846]. But Catherine is again, plain Catherine (Grant) Nicoll on her death registration by grandson Andrew in 1892. It may be that Catherine and John had a good friend or cousin called Catherine Baxter and named child number six after her ? N.B. A Catherine Baxter born in 1833 to William Baxter's brother James would be a 'sort-of' cousin-in-law of your Catherine Grant. B.T.W. John and Catherine Grant's Janet Nicoll b. 1838, had at least one illegitimate child, Janett in 1857. I have not investigated the origins of the additional grandchildren Andrew and George who appear in the 1881 Census !
You and I are not related as I descend from Baxter and you from Grant .. a pity.
Aye
John... son of James Nicoll Kerr Henderson [1908-1989]
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I will PM you with my e-mail as I have Catherine's Death certificate and her 1837 Parish Marriage certificate.
JH
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Hi, I'm related to the Nicol's of Tannadice (David born 1874 was my great great Grandfather- his parents were John Nicol & Jemima Duke) just done a little research myself if I can be of any help please let me know