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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Aussie Pom on Wednesday 09 April 08 13:20 BST (UK)
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Help!
I am trying to find an Elizabeth Burns who was born July 1856 in Tyrone, NI or Strabane Co Londonderry. Her father was James Burns and her mother was Mary Anne McLoughland. Elizabeth had a brother Joseph and a sister, Jane.
In about 1870ish they immigrated to Australia. The family used to run a pawn shop in Strabane
Any information would be appreciated, as i have nothing!! :)
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Strabane is in Co. Tyrone not Londonderry. Mother's surname might be McLoughlin rather than McLoughland.
If the parents died in Australia- do there death certificates give any clues?
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Help!
I am trying to find an Elizabeth Burns who was born July 1856 in Tyrone, NI or Strabane Co Londonderry. Her father was James Burns and her mother was Mary Anne McLoughland. Elizabeth had a brother Joseph and a sister, Jane.
In about 1870ish they immigrated to Australia. The family used to run a pawn shop in Strabane
Any information would be appreciated, as i have nothing!! :)
Hiya Aussie Pom,
Wanted to wish you luck with your Burns! If they are like mine, Irish, they are most likely spelt BYRNE which is also Burns!
My Gran's Dad came from that area! I cannot pin them down at all. So I hope that you have better luck with yours!
I put a notice on the Irish board, and all I got were jokes about the different ways of spelling it! I will keep you in mind while I am searching for mine!
Rabbit B ;D
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Thanks Rabbit B. Much appreciated! :)
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Hi AussiePom,
Mary Ann Burns, nee McLoughlin, arrived in Melbourne in October 1863 with five children: Jane (c 1845); James (c1847); Mary Ann (c1851); Robert (c1852); and John (c1859).
I don't know what happened to James (nor Joseph & Elizabeth, but this is the first I've heard of those two) but when Robert married Mary Ann McGloughlin (!!!!) in Melbourne in October 1871 a newspaper notice noted him as "third son of the late James Burns, Strabane, County Tyrone, Ireland".
My presumption has been that he died in Ireland and Mary Ann brought the kids to Australia. I have not been able to find any birth marriage or death details for any of them in Ireland, nor a death for Mary Ann in Australia.
Hope you can tell me more about their background in Ireland. I'll have a look for Joseph and Elizabeth in Australia.
cheers
GazT
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Try the Irish sites on RC, GazT & Aussie Pom,
You might get lucky, it is the births that I am having trouble with too.
I was told her mum's name, but can only find it on one census after that it changes, yet there is no other marriage. Weird!
Good luck 8)
Rabbit B :)
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The 1858/59 directory for Belfast and Ulster has a James Burns "clothes dealer" listed at Bridge End, Strabane. Clothes dealers sometimes used to take clothes on a pawn basis.
http://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/app/WebObjects/StreetDirectories.woa/3/wo/toJw98QqEGZzlqtOg3EPVw/8.0.0.1.10.0
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Hi Rabbit B & Elwyn,
Mary Ann Burns, daughter of James & Mary Ann, lists James as a farmer on her marriage certificate but I know that could easily be a mistake as she was 11 or 12 when she arrived in Australia. I saw a listing from, I think 1846 that had James as a clothing dealer at Bridge End.
Rabbit, you talk about census info on, I presume, Mary Ann McLoughlin. What year is that and what does it show?
GazT
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Hi Rabbit B & Elwyn,
Mary Ann Burns, daughter of James & Mary Ann, lists James as a farmer on her marriage certificate but I know that could easily be a mistake as she was 11 or 12 when she arrived in Australia. I saw a listing from, I think 1846 that had James as a clothing dealer at Bridge End.
Rabbit, you talk about census info on, I presume, Mary Ann McLoughlin. What year is that and what does it show?
GazT
Hi GazT,
My census was for an Irish family in Liverpool UK, I think that they must have come over from Ireland in the Great Potato famine. There are loads in Liverpool in the 1800's
I suggest that you check out both spellings.
Rabbit B ;D
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Rabbit B
Thanks for that, though I can't find matching Burnses in Liverpool in 1861, though Mary Ann and the five children embarked from there in July 1863.
I dug up Mary Ann (junior's) marriage certificate here in Melbourne and it lists her father James as "outfitter", so I think it's a very good chance he is the same person in the directory selling clothes at Bridge End.
cheers and thanks
GazT
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Hi GazT,
Well keep going, that is all you can do, but try leaving out the second name!
Rabbit B ;D
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Hi Rabbit B (and Aussie Pom, if you're still reading this thread)
I think I've found Elizabeth and Joseph Burns, the original subjects of AP's request. It looks like they arrived in Melbourne aboard the Morning Light on 26 July 1864 with 18-year-old elder brother (I presume) Hugh Burns. This was a full nine months after their mother and siblings arrived. Elizabeth would have been eight and Joseph 10 at the time of arrival and I dont know how common it would have been for children to remain in the home country with an older sibling after their parents had emigrated.
Elizabeth married a David John Powell on 1 December 1872, with the consent of her mother, given she was not yet 17. She died in February 1944 after having a dozen children.
No idea what might have happened to Hugh or Joseph and if anyone can help, I'd be grateful
GazT
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Hi GazT,
That was a bit of luck. It just shows that persistence pays off
Rabbit B ;D