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Title: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: AileenSusan1 on Saturday 15 January 05 12:29 GMT (UK): According to William's marriage certificate here in Australia he was 32 years old when he married in 1889, his parents on the certificate are Edward McELWAIN and Margaret Morning,
unfortunately he did not put down where he was born in Ireland, place of birth is just that Ireland, I am at a loss to know where to look for him as his birth is too early for the IGI, any suggestions would be most helpful.
Thank you.
AileenSusan1
Australia.
William was my Great Grandfather.
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: Christopher on Sunday 26 June 05 00:13 BST (UK): Hi Aileen

Check this site and search ALL for McElwain. This covers the period 1848 - 1864.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: saz1401 on Wednesday 29 June 05 21:55 BST (UK): Hi AS

I have searched BIVRI for your names with no trace - sorry.
This one came up when I searched for mother. I appreciate the dates are all wrong but wondered if you had considered this spelling rather than "morning"

MURNANE, Margaret Marr 1861 Irel Lime StMich
Sp: Richard HENDERSON

saz :)
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: awd7 on Thursday 05 January 06 13:09 GMT (UK): Hi Aileen,
I came across your message by chance.
Curiously I have a Margaret McIlwain married to a John Morning in 1866 in Scotland. Margaret was born about 1844 in Ireland.
So far I have identified three siblings of Margaret - Andrew, William and Mary (sadly not your William as this one died in Scotland.
Margaret's parents were William McIlwain and Mary Kane who married in Ballyeaston, Co Antrim in 1823
No sign of an Edward though.
I am also interested in your Margaret Morning as I have done quite a bit of research in the Morning families of northern Ireland - mainly Antrim and Londonderry.
If you want to exchange notes please send me a PM
Alan
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: Miss Poohs on Saturday 07 January 06 10:30 GMT (UK): Ohhhhhhhhh I have an Eliza McIlwain who married a John Russell.

They had children Agnes (19), Martha (17), Samuel (15) and Alexander (11) Russell, who I picked up on the Scottish 1861 census.

They were all born in Ireland.

Eliza died here in Glasgow 30 Oct 1858, her parents were David and Rebecca McIlwain (ms Brown)

Wonder if there was any connection?
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: awd7 on Saturday 07 January 06 12:21 GMT (UK): From the death certificate you will get the approximate year of Eliza's birth.
I had a quick look at the 1851 Census index for Glasgow but couldn't see any likely families.
As far as I can judge - assuming my lot came over as a family group, they arrived between 1866 and 1869 - so too late to have a direct link with yours.
Alan
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: Miss Poohs on Saturday 07 January 06 12:35 GMT (UK): Eliza was 48 ish when she died in 1858 - which puts her year of birth approx 1810.
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: awd7 on Saturday 07 January 06 14:25 GMT (UK): Then I think there is no obvious connection. William married in 1823 in Co Antrim - so your Eliza would probably not fit into the normal pattern of25 years between genarations.
Having said that, stranger things have happened so I will keep an eye out for your ancestors in my research.
Alan
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 07 January 06 14:59 GMT (UK): Hi Aileen,

There were families with the Surnames Morning and McIlwaine in the same parish in Co. Donegal during 1848 - 64. I hope this helps in your search.

Best Wishes, Chris
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: awd7 on Saturday 07 January 06 16:04 GMT (UK): Hi Both,
I guess I forgot the most obvious question - what religion?
In that period there are four distinct 'hotspots' of the Morning family - Antrim, Londonderry, Donegall and Wicklow.
Of those that I have managed to track and identify - the Wicklow ones have all been Catholic, The Antrim and Londonderry have all been presbyterian and I don't know about those in Donegall.
I have a wonderful letter written in 1784 about the Antrim Mornings (which I think are my lot). I haven't figured out if I can add attachments - probably not (no doubt Christopher can advise) - but I am happy to provide a transcript to anyone who is interested. The letter is by the local minister and tells the story of a visit he made to the home of Adam Morning of Aird (which is about a mile from the Giants Casueway)
Alan
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: Christopher on Saturday 07 January 06 16:18 GMT (UK): Hei Alan,

I have not figured how to add attachments to RootsChat either 8)
I know how to do it with e-mails. I wonder if it is something similar? ???
Try http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,285.0.html
There are times I am a bit dense 8) Technical jargon is beyond me ???
If you understand the reply sent to you would you mind translating it into Plain English for me please. I hope you are soon able to add attachments as I am sure everyone would love to read the wonderful letter about the Antrim Mornings.

Best Wishes,

Kristoffer
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: awd7 on Saturday 07 January 06 16:58 GMT (UK): Just to prove you can teach an old dog new tricks - sorry Christopher
When you go to post a message if you look just below the Message box you will see a link that says 'additional Options' - click on this and the bottom option allows you to add attachments with some limitations. The file types are those that are less likely to harbour viruses so I guess this is the reason why the attachments are limited to these file types: txt, jpg, jpeg, gif, pdf, mpg, png, ged.
I have attached a PDF of the transcript of the letter - hopefully you and others can cope with this file format.
Alan
PS - now to see if the theory actually works - no doubt someone will tell me if I haven't uploaded the file!!
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: saz1401 on Saturday 07 January 06 23:53 GMT (UK): Hi Alan

The theory worked and makes interesting reading!!

You have proved you can teach old dogs new tricks after all - sorry Christopher!

saz ;D
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: Christopher on Sunday 08 January 06 00:39 GMT (UK): lol Saz

I will get the hang of it eventually

Uncle Chris
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: stevenson on Sunday 08 January 06 16:14 GMT (UK): I did it....I did it.....all by myself as well 8)

Alan..............Thank you for sharing that with us a lovely read.

Steve
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: saz1401 on Sunday 08 January 06 23:42 GMT (UK): Well done sis

You are such a clever girl now!

Just think how much clever you will be when you get to my age!!!!!!!!!! :-* :-* :-* :-*

Happy Birthday to me-21 again ;D - Happy birthday to me 21 again ;D - Happy birthday to me 21 again ;D
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: Christopher on Monday 09 January 06 00:29 GMT (UK): She has such a long way to go to catch up Steve. I doubt her brain will cope.
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: mmcelwain on Tuesday 21 February 06 20:50 GMT (UK): I'm descended from a William McElwain, born 1798 near Cookstown, Co. Tyrone, Ireland (died near Orangeville Ontario in 1880). But my clan emigrated around 1836 clearly not to Australia but to Quebec and then to Ontario Canada. My William married an Eliza (Beggs) too. Presbyterian. My William begat a son, also William, but that William (the second) was born around 1840 near Sorel, Quebec. I would be very happy to find the link between my McElwains and the McIlvaine clan who were in Ayrshire Scotland until the late 1600s.... But no links to be found yet.

Mark McElwain
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: RAYMAC on Wednesday 23 January 08 20:19 GMT (UK): Mark,

If you look at the MacBean (Bain) website you will see McElwain listed as a Sept of the Clan

A Sept = A family under the protection of

This info was also given to me back in the 70's by the Scottish Tartans Association at Comrie Perthshire

Mac
Title: Re: William McELWAIN b. c1857 Ireland
Post by: RAYMAC on Wednesday 23 January 08 20:33 GMT (UK): Forgot to say I am a McElwain

So far I have got back to my Great Grandfather Alfred's Marriage in 1853 and on the Certificate his Father's name was John, but I cannot make any connections between Alfred and John or any other ancestors
Alfred was a Tailor in London until 1859 before going to India in the army under a different name

John could have been born any time between 1798 and 1808, Ireland or Scotland

Alfred was born on three dates according to census returns and death certificate and in two different places, Liverpool or Scotland

My brick wall is 1853 Good Luck with yours

Mac

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