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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: coombs on Sunday 06 April 08 19:53 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have a 5xgreat grandfather who was Scottish and several 5 and 6x great grandparents who were the grandchildren of French Huguenot refugees in London and am more than pleased to have some non English ancestors. I dont want just a family tree that has a complete set on English rellies.
I am exceptionally pleased to have a bit of Scottish bagpipes in me. When I told my aunty she just said "Well that has probably well worn away by now". I thought, "Why"? I love non English ancestors.
Have you any relatives that dont like the fact that they have foreign overseas ancestors or UK but non English ancestors such as Welsh, Irish or Scottish ancestors?
Ben
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I have Huguenot ancestors too. My mother's surname Honeysett is French Huguenot. :)
I had a similar problem when contacting a relative online. She had a common ancestor with me but she didn't seem too pleased that they were in fact Jewish as she had always believed them to be Irish. At first she just dismissed the link in our families but I sent her the information I had and I never really heard back from her again.
It was a shame really as I have very few living relatives descended from that line. I hope I didn't upset her and would love to hear back from her again. :(
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Hi
Wre your Jewish ancestors Polish, Russian or German Jews??
My French Huguenots came to London in 1865 mainly from Normandy or West France. The names are Auber, Fradin, Morin, Pequin etc. They were silk weavers and craftsmen and worshippped in many French churches in the East End Of London.
Ben
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Hi
Wre your Jewish ancestors Polish, Russian or German Jews??
My French Huguenots came to London in 1865 mainly from Normandy or West France. The names are Auber, Fradin, Morin, Pequin etc. They were silk weavers and craftsmen and worshippped in many French churches in the East End Of London.
Ben
:( Mine were always more lowly, the oldest two I know of are Jacques and Adrien Annesett who were murderers. I have the court transcript from the 1500s (I think) - very far back indeed.
I have most of my information from hunnisett.org - Frengman means Frenchman.
Between 4 and 5pm on 28 July in Frankham Park in Wadhurst Adrian Annesett late of Wadhurst, 'Frengman', murdered Jordan Tassen late of Wadhurst, 'Frengman', with a knife called 'a Flemysprake' worth 3d. which was held in his right hand, giving him a wound in the right side 2 inches long of which he immediately died. John Annesett late of Wadhurst, 'Frengman', aided and abetted him in committing the murder, after which they both immediately fled.
I think they were mainly metal workers though.
My Jews were Sephardic, originally from Spain/Portugal they then went to Holland and then onto England sometime in the 18th Century. John Braham the tenor is my great, great, great, great, great grandfather's brother. :)
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I have Welsh, Scottish, Huguenot and Scandanavian blood mixed in with my English, all of which I adore. All on my mums side except the Huguenots, they're only half related to me as my great great great gran's 1st hubby married into them and I'm from the 2nd hubby, although their son carried the Hugenot name as he was born before his parents marriage.
My only slight I suppose snobbery is towards my Herts and Beds ancestors. Being a proud Yorkshire family we were all a little disappointed to find one line didn't originate from Yorkshire on my dad's side! Oops!
Legs
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I have the complete opposite. I have an uncle who refuses to hear anything about our English ancestors, who are proving to be rather interesting. He insists it is all Irish in our blood. Well, he should pay to send me over there to find them then. :o
Kath
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Thankfully things are a little less ... erm ... isolationist (?), nowadays, ... because I strongly suspect, that ... had my late mother-in-law known that her 2xgt grandfather was Chinese ... she would have been absolutely mortified! She was quite okay with having had a Swedish grandfather (although not delighted by the fact that nobody seemed able to trace his roots - a situation which persists to this day), ... but 'way back when she was a child, unfortunately, the Chinese immigrants were not highly regarded. Quite sad, considering the amount of work these so-called "coolies" did, to help build Australia's rural heritage. They certainly have my respect.
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Hi Ben
My maternal grandmother's paternal grandmother was an Auber. The family tree shows up Helsdons and Harbords (from Norwich), plus Fradines, Morins and Pequins from London EC.
What do you know about them, particularly the Aubers (I can track them back only s far as 1750, but suspect the name came from the Dieppe area).
PaulW
London SE.
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My Jews were Sephardic, originally from Spain/Portugal they then went to Holland and then onto England sometime in the 18th Century. John Braham the tenor is my great, great, great, great, great grandfather's brother. :)
My wife is a Braham descendant. A distant cousin has a reference to a connection with John Braham, but we are unable to confirm the link. I would be very interested to find out whether my wife is indeed related to John Braham.
(By the way she is proud of all her ancestry, English, Scottish, Irish, Jewish and Chinese.)
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I haven't had a problem with my mixed ancestery of Welsh, Irish, English , Greek and whatever remains to be found.
However, we are convinced that we are related to a well known banking family, but the people we have spoken to, in that family, think that this is unlikely, as they are so socially superior!
So it's not ethnicity, but class that is proving to be a problem there.
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Hi PaulW
Yes my Aubers have Helsdons, Fradines and Morins in the tree.
My 3xgreat grandmother was Clara Emma Auber born in 1835, the daughter of John & Elizabeth Auber nee Helsdon. Johns father was Samuel Auber.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Ben
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Hello Ben
I have only just picked up your reply of 1 Nov to my message re the Aubers - sorry for the delay. Matilda Auber was my maternal grandmother's grandmother.
I established that a few years ago, but a hunch in an idle moment last summer about her name and City address made me Google Matilda's name and location and I picked up your work. Splendid. I always had a soft spot for the Huguenots now I know why!
The family married in to the Rowleys from Pattingham in South Staffordshire, which is rather odd to my mind, except that I noticed the Huguenot Society has collated the Pattingham parish records. I have also noticed that the 'Roelli' name is associated with French protestants from inter alia Picardy (and the Rhineland), but I don't now if this is coincidence.
Anyway, thanks for getting back.
Kind regards
PaulW
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Hi Paul
John Auber, Matilda's grandfather was born in 1783 in Shoreditch, son of Samuel and Elizabeth Auber. Samuel was born in 1750 in Mile End New Town, son of Samuel and Susannah Auber nee Barham. Susan died in 1815.
Ben
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Hi Ben
Yes, Matilda's grandparents were John and Elizabeth Auber. Do you think there is any chance of finding out where the Aubers orginated from do you think, ie before c.1750?
Paul W
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Hi Paul
I am not sure but I do know that many came from Lunneray in France. Samuel Auber married Susan Barham in 1743 at the Fleet in London. He must have been previously married as there was a Samuel Auber born in Whitechapel in 1740, son of Samuel and Mary Auber.
I have noticed that Auber also has a name variant of Obey.
Ben
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Hi Ben
Well, failing that I'd like to find out more about the Fradin/es and Morins.
Paul W
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Hi
Susan Fradine was born in 1765, daughter of Francis Fradin and Elizabeth Morin. Francis was born in 1741 to Claudius and Sarah Fradin. Claudius was born in about 1700 to Claude and Catherine Fradin. Claude was born in about 1664, probably in France.
Elizabeth Morins father Jean was from Mouilleron En Bas Poitou in France. Elizabeths mum was Elizabeth Susan Pequin born in 1708 to Jean Pequin and Marie Hallot from Normandy.
Ben
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My relatives on my dad's side of the family know there is Spanish/Portuguese blood in the family, but we can't trace the source. However, I have my suspicions that the reason I'm getting nowhere is that these people were Jews, possibly Sephardic and may even have changed their names.
On the other hand, however, my Mum always thought that she had French blood in her background, only because someone mispronounced her maiden surname and then said that they thought it was French ::) She was quite disappointed when I traced it back to the late 1700s and not found any French, although the surname is a little common in Hastings, so I suppose it could have been French - the Norman Conquest etc.
Lizzie