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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kerry => Topic started by: kirstie on Sunday 06 April 08 15:01 BST (UK)
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hello all
does anyone have any information on an army barracks at Tralee i have searched the web and only come up with one which was called Ballymullen barracks would this be correct? i have a birth certificate of my gg grandfather (henry john Selby) first son which was listed on the army register so was able to send for that with out too much trouble!! on the top of the cert it says 17th brigade regiment of depot place of birth is Tralee and rank of father is Sergeant. I know the family came to england between 1873 and 1875 and henry's regiment was then the Lancashire fusiliers stationed at wellington barracks, bury.
would there be any records at all of the people who were stationed there i found on the familysearch web site a birth ref for the second child which says Kerry barracks
any advice or information would be very gratefully received
regards
kirstie
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Hello Kirstie,
Ballymullen is a Townland.in the Parish of Ratass.the barony is Trughamacmy,or Trughamakmy.
In history in 1810 there was a barracks that was called ballymullen barracks.In part of the parish of Ratass also a goal.
The barracks accomodated 17 officers, 456 non commissioned officers and privates. 6 horses and a hospital for 30 men.
Tralee is the poor-law-union.
AS for records have you tried the National Archives of Ireland. Or you could try putting a post on the Military on this board there are some very good people that know alot about Military.Hope this as helped you a little.
Lep.
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For what I think you probably want to know, you need to approach it from a different direction.
The army pay and muster lists will track the movements of the regiments. These are available at the National Archives.
His army discharge papers will provide you with a summary of his army career. These are also at the National Archives and it may be possible to order these remotely if you have a rough idea of when he was discharged.
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hi leprechaun and pharmakon thankyou so much for your replies i haven't tried the archives yet but i will do. Henry was discharged on 9 DEC 1885 which i found on the times archives he went on to be a clerk for the manchester school board and lived in Pendleton in bury i have quite a bit of info on him when he came to england but none when he was in ireland i am determined this year to find out more about his early life and where he came from in ireland lol
do you think his army records will be at national archives in London? the info i have is that he went from Sergent major to quartermaster in June 1883 then retired in 1885 which would have made him around 40 years old
thanks again for both your advice
kind regards
kirstie
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Have a look at this...
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=14
The first place to try for his records is in pieces WO 97/2172 - WO 97/4231 which are arranged in alphabetical order.
Have a look at the catalogue and work out which piece you reckon his papers should be in. It looks to me as if it should be WO 97/3824. If that's unsuccessful, there are other places to try.
Shout if there's anything you don't understand.
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hi pharmakon thankyou so much for the information you have posted i have read the leaflet and it sounds very positive that there could be some info for me to find
thankyou for your advice and help i will let you know how i get on
kindest regards
kirstie
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Hi Kirstie,
sorry I missed your first post in April.
How have you got on?
You may have discovered by now that it is the 70th Brigade you are seeking based at Ballymullen barracks from 1873.
The 101st and 104th brigades ( later known as the Munster Fusiliers ) where based in Tralee.
You can indeed get all the army records at the National Archives at Kew.
If you live far from there though, I can recommended Richard Moles, who is an army historian. He will carry out the research for you as he is in the NA most days. His rates are very reasonable and he is a helpful guy. he will send you full copies of all your relatives records.
The National Archives will give you his contact number as they do recommend him.
Hope this helps
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Hi,
Tralee Barracks and Ballymullen Barracks are one and the same. The barracks is still there and is occupied on a part time basis by the Irish Defence Forces. Ballymullen is a short distance outside the town of Tralee in Co. Kerry. The barracks is a little the worst for wear nowadays as it no longer permanently occupied, but most of the original buildings are still intact. If you write to the Officer Commanding they might be able to facilitate a visit, however it is a military post so there is no guarantee that you'd be admitted.
Hope that helps.
Regards,
S.
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im currently stationed in ballymullen barracks which is still used by the irish reserves(me) and a few permanent Irish army.most of the barracks looks the same as time your gg grandfather was there bar part of the main building burned down By the the I.R.A in 1922.its a five minute walk from the town centre and was located next door to tralee goal.Tralee library where tralee historical society is based should have records
as you can see from the pic the left wing of the main building was destroyed by the I.R.A
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Joseph Durden born 1850 in Finedon, Northants, was stationed at Ballymullen in 1881 when he married Honoria/Hanora Neligan. They moved back over to Northampton, but were later posted to Malta for a short while. Honoria/Hanora was from a village just outside Tralee. I'd love to hear from anyone connected to this couple.
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if you had the name of the village you could check up her family on the local records birth certs land repayments etc,,tralee library have the 1905 census so if she had brothers and sisters they should be registered where they lived name of there own childern,the population of kerry wasnt huge at the time so perhaps there might have been one or two familys from that area with the name
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Thankyou for replying! She was from Ardfert, but was over in Northampton by 1883 when their 1st child was born, unfortunately. Interestingly, her marriage record says 'Bessie Johnstone' in place of father.
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ah there's not many neligans from artfert i should know my mothers from there,there is still neligans there anyway!
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;D oh Lordy they must be related to my family! I'll contact the library tonight about Bessie on the 1905 census, and might email the paper local to Ardfert about Honoria. Im desperate to find out about her ancestry, its driving me insane.
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the census was in 1901... and is due to be available in full on the website of the National Archives early next year.
Shane
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Oh. In Ronan's earlier message he mentioned a 1905 census.
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go on da dubs ;D ;D
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hi again rebekahm28
just wondering ..do you have an approximate year of birth for Honoria ?
also do you have an actual place of birth for, or is Ardfert her residence at the time of her marriage...
Shane
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Hi Shane sorry only just read your post. Her residence at time of marriage was Ardfert...Ive been assuming that was her birthplace and I must stop doing that! Bit of a habit with me. Approx birth year is around 1860 we think, but havent got any further. We think she died in Malta, as she and husband Joseph were over there for a bit, cant find a British death for her, then he remarried to a girl born in Malta, we think a soldiers daughter. They came back to Northampton and Joseph died there in 1899, his 2nd wife registering the death. Honoria/Hanora's details are from the marriage entry, and their middle childs birth cert.
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a couple of possible baptism for you from the IrishGenealogy website (http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/index.html) - although some a little bit earlier than 1860..
Honoria Neligan of Ballymullen - 15 June 1854 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/affd0b1201533?name=neligan&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&type=B&diocese=KERRY&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=100&submit=Search) Parish : Tralee R.C.
Honora Neligan of Gearha - 30 July 1855 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/9d95c60957491?name=neligan&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&type=B&diocese=KERRY&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=100&submit=Search) Parish : Firies R.C.
Honora Neligan of Cloultebrid - 1 August 1860 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/8c77710958171?name=neligan&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&type=B&diocese=KERRY&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=100&submit=Search) Parish : Firies R.C.
Honora Nelligan of Galey - 1 March 1862 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/3efd6b0755831?name=neligan&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&type=B&diocese=KERRY&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=100&submit=Search) Parish : Ballybunion R.C.
edit : just spotted the marriage on the same website - and it gives more details
Marriage of Joseph Edward Durden and Hanoria Neligan (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e2ea301310823?name=bessie&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&type=M&diocese=KERRY&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=100&submit=Search)
Parish : Tralee C.of I.
date : 28 December 1881
bride's father : Maurice Neligan
witness 2 : Bessie Johnston
Honoria's father's name matches up with the 1854 baptism...
Shane
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Shane! You are a diamond, I havent even viewed the links yet have only just come in from work but when I saw the marriage listed I thought oh my Lord this is definate. Thankyou so much, this family mean so much to me. xx
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no problem ... hope you can establish some details on your Kerry connections from that.
Ballymullen is just over 2 km south est of Tralee - Ardfert is about 9km to the North - see google map : Ballymullen to Tralee to Ardfert (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=tralee,+kerry,+ireland&daddr=ballymullen+to:ardfert&geocode=FSuSHQMd_Pxr_ynpYlwaZDVFSDF_NjCXY-BxbA%3BFTRtHQMdwCJs_ymV30TPnTVFSDFxKyC7p8cAJg%3B&hl=en&mra=ls&sll=52.265584,-9.69655&sspn=0.01132,0.025148&ie=UTF8&ll=52.291473,-9.72702&spn=0.090506,0.203247&z=12).
Shane
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while I'm on a roll - one more for you.. probable marriage details for the parents of the Hanoria baptised in Ballymullen :
Marriage of Maurice Neligan and Margaret Sullivan (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/afc3b91278960?name=MAURICE+NELIGAN+&name2=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&type=M&diocese=KERRY&parish=¢ury=&decade=&sort=date&pageSize=50&submit=Search) 12 Oct 1851 Tralee RC Parish
Shane
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Eeek! Youre a star Shane, really appreciated. Im googling my head off now and putting the names on every genealogy site known to man, I never expected this breakthrough, Im really over the moon. Have a lovely Christmas!
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My G Grandfather was based at the Barracks William Stevens. He was injured by a spear in the Boer War . The family all lived in Tralee I cannot find any information anywhere on the Stevens He was married to Annie and they had a daughter Eliza ( my Grandmother) born 1904 who married Geoffrey O'Donoghue and they moved to England.
If anyone has any information I would be pleased to hear Are there any records from the barracks anywhere? or the Stevens in Tralee
Jane Richards
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Jane, have you had a look at the Co. Kerry website: www.irishgenealogy.ie? It has a lot of records on Stevens. All the best. Napaljarri
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Thanks thats great Stephens and Stevens appear to be mixed up