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Hello List
I am looking for the family of William SOWERBY b 1785 Farlam, Cumberland - parents George and Mary nee Hardey .
William married Frances GRAHAM in 1808 and had the following children - all born Farlam ( I have the census results for son William b 1810 )
His other children were:
Thomas b 1812 - m- 1830 to Mary TURNBULL
George b 1814 - m- 1840 to Ann WHARTON
Jane b 1817 -m- 1836 to Joseph PEARSON
Elizabeth b 1819 m - ??
Mary b 1822
Isabella b 1828
Joseph b 1829
Any help would be most appreciated
Kind regards
Kiwi
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Hi Kiwi,
Did he also have a daughter Margaret?
1851
HO107/2427 233 18
Naworth, Cumberland
Howgill
Entiens(?*) Hodgson, head, 34, Coal Miner, b. Castle Camock?
Margaret, wife, 26, b. Farlam
Hannah, dau, 6, scholar, b. Hayton
Sarah, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Thomas, son, 2, b. Farlam
William Sowerby, father in law, wid, 66, Coal Miner, b. do.
Joseph Sowerby, brother in law, 21, Coal Miner, b. do.
George Sowerby, nephew, 4, b. do.
:)
*In 1861, he doesn't have a first name at all! Marriage shows him as Eutychus
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1841
HO107/167/17 4 3
Brampton, Cumberland
Forest Head n° 91
William Sowerby, 55, Coal Miner
Mary, 15
Joseph, 12
Mary, 85, Ind
All born Cumberland
I can't spot him in 1861 :-\
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Hello again Tati!
Thanks so much for those census results - wonderful! I presume Wm snr died before 1861..however, I would love the HODGSON entries for 1861 and 1871 if you have them ( and maybe the any of the others? )- the spelling in 1861 is more accurate than the 1851 for HODGSON - but what a name!
I just found Jane SOWERBY and Joseph PEARSON moved to sth Shields Durham ( a daughter, Margaret married James VEITCH in 1871 ) so the Pearson family should be there from about 1840.
Thanks again
Kiwi
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Hi Kiwi
Looks like Tati has got so high up in her posts she has gone off to bed suffering from vertigo LOL... ;D..
1871 Cencus-Farlam
RG10-5210-29-11
Halbank Gate
HODGSON
Margaret 46 head widow b Farlam
Fanny 26 dau Widow b Hayton Journeyman Grocer
Thomas 22 son b Farlam App Grocer
John Ruddick 16 Lodger b " " "
Jane
PS..I love the occupation of the next door neighbour..he is a Jam Watcher!!!!! ;D
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1861-Farlam
RG9/3908-8-10
Halbank Gate
HODGSON
? 45 head b Castle Canock..Colliery Deputy Overlooker
Margaret 36 wife b Farlam
Frances 16 dau b " Dressmaker
Thomas 12 son b "
Mary J 5 dau b Brampton
George Lomby 15 Nephew b Farlam Coalminer
Jane
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1861 Cencus-Hedworth-Monkton and Jarrow
RG9/3795/12/18
Cuthbert Terr
Joseph Sowerby 31 head Un b Farlam Lab in Chemical Works
Sarah Hodgson 15 Servant Un b Hayton
Jane
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Ooh thank so much for these as well! I am doing this research for an elderly fellow in Sri Lanka, so he will be thrilled!
thanks again
Kiwi
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hello again,
I just had a look at daughter Fannie in 1871 - says she is a widow but I found her with husband and kids in 1881....she should be Frances ROUTLEDGE who married William Senhouse ROUTLEDGE 1874.
Any idea if widow is correct?
thanks
Kiwi
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Hi Kiwi
Here is the image...I thought the stroke indicated she was a widow as the enumerator seemed to use strokes as a ditto ???
Jane
Ummmmm forgot..cant post images on some boards..
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Perhaps someone else could just take a look and give their opinion... :) :)
Jane :)
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Hi again
Right.....looking at it again it would seem the enumerator put a stoke against everyone on the page in the "condition" box so maybe he used the stroke to count the number of people on the page and if that is so then he just left Fannys condition box empty ???
Jane
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The census enumerator left the "marital status" box empty for Fanny HODGSON 26.
I think the person who put the check marks all over the place (when collating the data) was the census registrar.
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Many thanks everyone for helping to sought that mystery out!
I have another now - the George LOMBY in 1861 may be a typo - I am thinking it might be SOWERBY as a George S was born to Mary SOWERBY ( nee GRANT ) in 1846, Farlam....father would be George Sowerby who died 1854.
I wonder if Mary S shows up in 1861 - I have George b 1846 married in 1881 with children.
Thanks heaps
Kiwi
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Hi
Having looked more closely at the 61 entry it does indeed say George Sowerby......you have the 1851 details that Tati posted earlier and by 1871 he was married.
Jane
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Hi Kiwi,
I am a direct decendant of William 1810 through his son James. There is also a connection with Sri Lanka as my Aunt served with the Red Cross in WW2 in what was then Ceylon.
How did you find all the siblings?
Regards
Kirkstall
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Hi Kirkstall and welcome to Rootschat
If you go to www.familysearch.org and select the IGI..where it says fathers name type in George Sowerby..Mother Mary(first name only)then select British Isles..country England..county Cumberland then press search and bingo they should all be there
Hope this helps
Jane
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Thanks Jane,
Posses more questions as to how and who is connected to whom. Is the following correct and if so why?
George S and Mary Hardy's children: William 1785, Bella or is that Isabella 1784, margaret 1791, Mary 1796, George 1800 and Sarah 1804 when her mother would have been 49! Also if George was born in 1753 and mary Hardy in 1755 they appear to have started the family late. Is Mary H the same Mary S aged 85 in the 1841 census return for Naworth living with son William 1785?
Similarly William S (1785) and Francis Graham's children:- William 1810, Thomas 1812, George 1814, Jane 1817, Mary 1822 or 1826 (above census), Isabella 1828 and Joseph 1829 (also named in above census record)
Sorry to be a pain but I would like to try and get it right and any evidence would be most helpful
Kiwi I think that I also noted the Stockhill name in NZ connected to a Sowerby my grandfathers' brother also married a Stockhill-any connections? but lightening rarely strikes twice.
Regards
Kirkstall
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Hi Kirkstall
Although I cant be 100% sure that Mary age 85 in 1841 is the former Mary Hardy mother of William..I am 99.9999% sure she is.
As for women having babies age 49 + it was a very common occurence...we have to remember that back in those days there was no contreception and so until a woman came to the natural end of her childbearing days there wasnt a lot she could do to stop becoming pregnant.
Perhaps you should PM kiwi with regards the Sowerbys.
Best of luck
Jane
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Hi again Kirkstall
Just been having another look at your post...You say you are decended from James(son of William and Francis)but I cant find any trace of James..when was he born?
Im confused! ;D...unless he is going by the name Joseph b 1829
Jane
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Ah right.....Think Ive found James now on the 1861 cencus..but in the other censuses(41and51) he is called John..
If you need this cencus info...just ask
Jane
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Hello Kiwi, at least I hope that I am communicating with you as I am new to this game.
Have communicated with sister Jane, very helpful and I copy you in.
I am a direct decendant of William 1810 and Ann Armstrong through their son James. There is also a connection with Sri Lanka as my Aunt served with the Red Cross in WW2 in what was then Ceylon.
I think that I also noted the Stockhill name in NZ connected to a Sowerby my grandfathers' brother also married a Stockhill-any connections? but lightening rarely strikes twice.
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Ah right.....Think Ive found James now on the 1861 cencus..but in the other censuses(41and51) he is called John..
If you need this cencus info...just ask
Jane
Sister Jane
I hope I have found you. My original note might have been misleading as I did not quote william 1810's wife-sorry.
James is the son of William 1810 and Ann Armstrong b 2. Mar. 1830, he James married Margaret Bailes 16.12 1850 (I have a copy of M. Cert). This is the family shown on 1861 census. I have not found James and Margaret in 1851 or James in 1841. You will note he is not the Joseph of 1841.-TOO many Williams'.
I hope I have also posted a message for Kiwi.
Do you have an interest in the Sowerby family?
Again thank you for your help.
Kirkstall
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Okey-doky...
1851-Cencus-Heworth-Durham
High Felling
SOWERBY
James 21 head b Templegarth Bricklayer
Margaret 24 wife b Killingworth-Northumberland
Living next door to
William Sowerby age 41 and Ann 43 his wife and family
Jane
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Well done Jane-Thank you.
I have also found him in 1841, Hebburn & Jarrow with Wiiliam & Ann SAWERBY, William 1832 and Louis 1837. The latter is again a transcription error should be Frances J. G.( Jane Graham) who married in March 1870.
Kirkstall
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LOL......I was just about to post the Sawerby details..glad you found them....
I was looking at the later cencus for William b 1810..it would seem he married again at some point and started another family.....unless of course im on the wrong William ..LOL!!
Jane
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Hi There
I have a Sarah Sowerby born Cumberland in 1852 who married a Robert Casson. Could this be a link with yours Sowerby's. I hope so as I seem to have hit a brick wall. Regards Betty
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Hi Betty
Where have you hit your brick wall?
Jane :)
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William Sowerby born about Oct 1785 is my ggggg-grandfather, I have his father and 5 siblings and grandparents. My data is through to date but a bit patchy after 1911. Too much to post here
Bill & Rosie Adams in a hot & humid Sri Lanka
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William Sowerby, Christened on 31 October 1785 in Farlam, Cumberland. Son of George Sowerby (1762 - 1819) and Mary Hardy 1759 -. George & Mary were married in Farlam on 1 July 1784.
SIBLINGS
Bella 1784 -
Jane 1789 -
Margaret 1791 -
Mary 1796
George 1800 - 1831 (Buried with his father in Farlam churchyard. The headstone is still there.)
Sarah 1804 -
SPOUSE Francis (or Frances) Graham 1786 - 1858. MARRIED 26 March 1808 in Farlam
CHILDREN
William Sowerby 1810 – 1913
Thomas Sowerby 1812 –
George Sowerby 1814 –
Jane Sowerby 1817 –
Elizabeth Sowerby 1819 –
Mary Sowerby 1822 –
Margaret Sowerby 1824 –
Isabella Sowerby 1828 –
Joseph Sowerby 1829 –
John Sowerby 1831 –
Adam Sowerby 1832 –
Best regards,
Danny