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				MI for Cupar Parish Church in 2 parts, this is an old cemetery
 and the MIs are from 1800s,and list the 2 maim names
 in the MI
 Part 1
 19   Rev. Laurence   Adamson   died 1795
 179   George   Aitken         Janet   Ponton
 180   Robert   Aitken         Jane   Robinson
 190   James   Anderson      Elizabeth Spens
 62   Thomas Anderson      Ann   Smith
 101   Robert   Arnott         Jean   Moncrief
 127   David   Balfour      Helen   Lawson
 53   Thomas Bilton         died 5.10.1841
 55   Thomas Birrell      Heloner Adam
 216   Robert   Blair         Susan   McFarlane
 208   Alexander Blyth      Margaret Shepherd
 29   David   Boswell      Anne   Govan
 150   David   Boswell      Elizabeth Smith
 5   Captain Briggs      Mary   Swan
 148   Robert   Brunton      Ann   Dall
 31   Robert   Buik         Jean   Dick
 203   William Burns         Margaret Taylor
 224   Rev. George Campbell   died 1824 age 77
 225   Sir George Campbell      died 1892 age 67
 58   John   Carie         Janet   Philp
 182   James   Carstairs      Margaret Burn
 162   William Carswell      Cecilia   Dewar
 24   Andrew Christie      died 1827 age 66
 184   Andrew Christie      Margaret Dempster
 77   Thomas Clark         Jean   Keith
 222   George   Cleland      died 1851 age 38
 34   William Cockburn      Euphemia Hunter
 44   Allen   Comb         Agnes   Brown
 67   George   Constable      Margaret Gentle
 66   John   Constable      died 1808 age 78
 37   John   Coutts         Agnes   Fraser
 189   David   Cuthbert      died 1857 age 74
 1   David   Dalrymple      Violet   Robertson
 183   Alexander Deas      Catherine Low
 32   David   Dickson      Anne   Bonnar
 85      died  1890      Elizabeth Robertson
 86      died  1894      Janet   Robertson
 54      died 1827      Mary   Bruce
 88      died 1836      Elizabeth Russell
 106      died 1844      Isabel   Welsh
 15      died 1882      Dame Elizabeth Montgomery
 70      died 1883 age 42   Mary    Ross
 130      died 1886 age 20   Mary   Walker
 195      died 1895       Christina Birrell
 172      died 1900 age 82   Agnes   Coutts
 26      died 1903      Anna   Moncrief
 28      died 1908      Mary Charlotte Govan
 193   Walter   Dingwall      Isabella Smith
 175   Patrick   Don         Catherine Millie
 198   James   Dott         died 6.9.1894
 115   Matthew Dott         Mary   Wilson
 197   Thomas Dott         died 12.3.1777
 116   William Dott
 96   Andrew Douglas      Janet Gibson
 46   William Drummond      Catherine Bell
 128   Henry Jack Duncan   Katherine Lees
 142   Nathanal  Duncan   Euphemia Mic
 36   Thomas Edgar      Agnes   Henderson
 169   George   Edmeston   Mary   Walker
 149   James   Fairfull      Ann   Inglis
 151   George   Fernie      Jean   Boswell
 146   John   Fernie      Elizabeth Westwood
 147   John   Fernie      Margaret Duncan
 206   Peter   Frazer      Mary   Patridge
 92   John   Gardiner   Anne   Keith
 157   Charles Geddes   Margaret   Brown
 25   Douglas Moncrief   Govan   Helen   Burnett
 30   John   Govan      died 1861
 27   John George Govan   died 1853
 159   John   Granger   Helen   Wallace
 205   David   Greig      Jean   Innes
 160   George   Grieve      Catherine Cunningham
 161   Alexander Haxton   Mary   Miller
 171   Donald   Hay      Ellen J   Little
 9   John   Hedderwick   died  1819
 218   John   Hodge      died 1830 age 63
 109   David   Howie      Janet   Brown
 210   Henry   Hutchison   Helen   Goodfellow
 57   James   Hutchison   Elizabeth   Carie
 119   George Smith Hutton   Anne   Millar
 105   James   Inglis      died 1852 age 94
 173   James   Inglis      died 1878 age 74
 131   Andrew Innes      Margaret   Duncan
 126   David   Innes      May   Morton
 204   George   Innes      Margaret Rodger
 124   Thomas Innes      Marion   Lawrie
 47   Thomas Ireland   Agnes   Smith
 177   Andrew Jamesion   Euphemia Chalmers
 68   Robert   Johnstone   Susan   Scott
 143   John   Kennedy   Jane Munro
 56   Michael Kilgour   died 1819 age 19
 97   Rev  Thomas King   died 1841
 61   James   Laing      Catherine Anderson
 98   Charles Lees      Jean   Young
 100   Charles Lees      Catherine Torbayne
 11   James   Loney      Catherine More
 145   James   Lonie      Jane Stewart
 140   John   Lorimer   died 1862 age 82
 112   John   Lunsden   Ameilia Neish   Patrick
 
 Norrie G
 
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				Part 2
 
 95   John Stevenson Mackie  Grace Cumming
 110   James   Manton   Jean   White
 163   William Martin   Margaret Carswell
 71   James   Mathison   Georgina Webester
 35   Alexander McNab   Marjory Wiseman
 3   Robert   Melville   Helen   Mitchell
 176   John   Miline      died   1844 age 88
 23   Captain James   Mitchell  died 1837
 2   James   Mitchell   Violet   Walker
 202   James   Mitchell   died 1810 age 43
 181   Rev. John Mitchell   Mary   Carstairs
 219   George   More      Chr.   Aitken
 12   Duncan Munro   died 1857 age 74
 152   Capt George Murray   died 1882 Shanghai
 123   George   Ness      Jane   Bell
 187   Andrew Nicol      Isabella Arnot
 38   Robert   Nicol      Amelia   Taylor
 156   David   Niven      Emilia   Carstairs
 118   Joseph   Parker      Christina Bell
 7   William Paston   Elizabeth Arnot
 212   Robert   Paterson   died 1825 age 88
 120   George Ann Paton   Agnes    Hoyes
 45   William Patrick   Helen Baird Smart
 209   Robert   Philp      Elizabeth Trail
 99   Robert   Pittendrich   Catherine Gay
 108   Andrew Pitulloch   died Edinburgh 1680
 164   Robert   Pride      Margaret Johnstone
 93   William Ramsay   Mary   Smith
 94   William Ramsay   Margaret Milne
 220   David   Rattray      Jean   Collier
 194   William Rattray   Isabella Lowden
 221   Robert   Reekie      Mary   Hain
 8   Thomas Reeve      Helen   Campbell
 73   Alexander Reid   Leonora Reid
 74   Alexander Reid   died 1811 age 38
 191   David   Reid      died 1848 age 63
 135   James   Robertson   died 1795 age 24
 87   John   Robertson   died 1886
 141   John   Robertson   Janet   Smith
 84   William Robertson   died 1888
 165   William Robertson   Margaret Rodger
 217   William Robertson   Agnes   Duncan
 102   James   Robie      Christian White
 48   Rev. John Robson   died 1828
 42   William Roy      Catherine Bell
 215   George   Russell      died 1852 age 93
 137   James   Russell      Barbara Scott
 6   John   Russell      Helen   MacLaren
 134   John   Russell      Sarah Ann F   Scott
 207   John   Russell      Agges   Lambie
 89   Robert   Russell      Margaret Coutts
 90   Robert   Russell      died 1877
 214   Thomas Russell   Isabella Yule
 201   William Russell   Margaret Gibson
 192   Peter   Scott      Isabella   Robertson
 17   John   Shith      Elizabeth   Rymer
 178   Capt William Siborne   Helen   Aitken
 65   David   Smith      Elizabeth Thomson
 174   Michael Smith      Helen   Thomson
 16   Thomas Smith      died 1905
 114   William Speed      Elizabeth Speed
 76   John   Spinks      Jannette Reid
 186   Henry Jack Stark   Margaret Horsburgh
 185   James   Stark      Barbara Horsburgh
 60   John   Stark      Margaret Jamieson
 33   John   Stone      died 1878
 213   James   Swan      Jean   McRitchie
 213   James   Swan      Elizabeth Edmonstone
 4   Robert   Swan      died 1848 age 72
 52   Andrew Taylor   Jessie Forbes   Hogg
 51   Robert   Taylor      Margaret Henderson
 166   Thomas Taylor   died 1822
 144   David   Terris      died 1865
 196   William Thomson   Mary Ann   Bayne
 103   David   Thomson    Ann   Spens
 133   Alexander Tullis   died 1836 age 72
 50   George Smith Tullis   Jane M   Brair
 14   James   Tullis      Betsy   Davidson
 49   Robert   Tullis      Agnes   Smith
 10   James   Turner      died 1813
 113   John   Turpie      Jean   Berwick
 21   George Aitken   Walker   Agnes   Malcolm
 41   John   Walker      Margaret Gibb
 22   Peter   Walker      died 1861
 129   William Walker   Helen   Taylor
 153   David   Wann      Elizabeth
 72   Jonathon Watson
 121   Robert   Watson   Ann Watson
 199   Thomas Watson   Betty   Dykes
 223   Rev. James Wedderburn   died 1687 age 52
 80   Andrew Welsh   Katherine   Anderson
 78   Charles Welsh      died 1866?
 79   Charles Welsh      Margaret Ritchie
 81   Henry Jack Welsh   died 1899 age 35
 200   James   Welsh      Isabel   Murdoch
 188   Henry Jack West   Catherine Bayne
 91   David   Williamson   Isabel   Anderson
 18   James   Wilson      Jane   Scott
 18   Thomas Wilson   Mary Ann Robertson
 20   Rev. James Wordie   died 1862 age 82
 104   William Young   died 1816 age 55
 
 Norrie G
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				What does MI Mean?
 
 68   Robert   Johnstone   Susan   Scott
 143   John   Kennedy       Jane Munro   --------Does this mean Jane Munro is wife's name
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				Hi llrieks    MI stands for Monumental Inscriptions
 In Cupar Old Cemetery
 
 the Husbands name & his wives name  eg an inscription
 
 143   1862 Erected by Jane MUNRO
 her husband John KENNEDY late Sergeant 79th
 and 13 years governor at Cupar Jail died 14.8.1848
 wife Jane MUNRO died 12.12.1866
 mother Henrietta MUNRO died 12.1.1835
 sister Sussannah MUNRO died at Sea3.9.1854
 Elizabeth MUNRO died Edinburgh 18.1.1880
 Nephew John Kennedy BRUCE died 17.10.1865 age 5
 NorrieG
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				Thank you for your reply.  Not the John I was looking for but appreciate your thoroughness, which helps me disprove him.  
			
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				Is it possible to get more detail on 
 
 179   George   Aitken         Janet   Ponton
 180   Robert   Aitken         Jane   Robinson
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				Is it possible to get more detail on 
 
 179   George   Aitken         Janet   Ponton
 180   Robert   Aitken         Jane   Robinson
 
 Hi  kdarby   these are the 2 inscriptions you asked for
 My problem is that I can’t find the photographs
 So if these are your ancestors let me know and
 I will go to Cupar And retake them for you.
 
 
 179   Col. George AITKEN of Thornton & Todhall
 died 17.9.1831 age 70
 his wife Janet PONTON died 21.1.1839 age 72
 son Capt. George AITKEN HM. 13th light infantry
 died Culcutta 1831 age 36
 son Capt. Robert AITKEN 6th Bengal Cavalry
 died on the way home from India 1838 age 34
 son John writer Cupar died 21.12.1852 age 59
 daughter Ann Jane AITKEN died Edinburgh 28.3.1880 age 82
 
 
 180   Robert AITKEN died 14.11.1851 age 66
 wife Jane ROBINSON died 3.1.1854 age 66
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Hi NorrieG
 
 Could you please give me details of No 80 & 81
 
 Andrew WELSH & Katherine ANDERSON
 
 Henry WELSH
 
 thanks max
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				Hi NorrieG
 
 Could you please give me details of No 80 & 81
 Andrew WELSH & Katherine ANDERSON
 Henry WELSH
 
 Hi Max these are your inscriptions in Cupar Church Cemetery
 have also included 78 & 79 as they all the one family
 
 78   Erected by Charles WELSH in memory of his father
 Charles WELSH  born 1.6.1803 died 9.5.1866
 
 79   Erected  by James WELSH Auctioneer Cupar
 in memory of his Grandfather Charles WELSH
 Baker & Brewer Cupar died 29.8.1853 age 80
 His grandmother Margaret RITCHIE died 28.8.1829 age 59
 
 80   Father Andrew WELSH Auctioneer Cupar died 7.12.1860 age 62
 Mother Katherine ANDERSON died 5.3.1871 age 79
 Son Andrew died 5.5.1867 age 7
 Daughter Rebeca  Playfair WELSH died 23.5.1867 age 9
 
 81 Another side Son Henry Jack WELSH died 29.4.1899 age 35
 
 82 Another side James Anderson WELSH solicitor Cupar
 Father James Anderson WELSH auctioneer  died 29.4.1904
 Mother Rebacca Plairfair JACK died 22.1.---- age 79
 
 Max I also research Welsh but mine are from the Wemyss area
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Hello Norrie,
 
 Can I get a look at '208 Alexander Blyth and Margaret Shepherd', please?
 
 Regards, Jack
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				Can I get a look at '208 Alexander Blyth and Margaret Shepherd', please?
 Hi Jack your inscription
 
 208   Alexander BLYTH died July 1851
 wife Margaret SHEPHERD died Aug 1852 age 77
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Thanks Norrie, helpful as ever.  Your efforts are much appreciated.
 
 Regards, Jack
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				Hi NorrieG  thanks for the Welsh inscriptions from
 Old Cupar Church Cemetery.
 
 Will check them out
 
 Thanks Max
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				Hi 
 
 Would it be possible to see the details of
 
 44   Allen   Comb         Agnes   Brown
 
 157   Charles Geddes   Margaret   Brown
 
 109   David   Howie      Janet   Brown
 
 Thanks,
 
 John
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 Hi John here aer the inscriptions you asked for Cupar Church
 If you would photographs let me know.
 
 44   Allen   Comb         Agnes   Brown
 
 Agnes BROWN wife of  Allen COMB died 28.5.1820 age 27       Daughter Mary died in Infancy
 
 157   Charles Geddes   Margaret   Brown
 
 stone in 3 parts Charles GEDDES died 19.10.1878 age 76
 wife Margaret BROWN died 1897 age 81
 
 
 109   David   Howie      Janet   Brown
 
 David HOWIE Pressman in Cupar
 died 18.5.1876 age 69
 wife Janet BROWN died 6.8.1895 age 88
 son David died 1.8.1839 age 4
 daughter Margaret died 19.8.1839 age 2
 daughter Maggie Welsh21.1.1850 age 4
 son Peter died 23.1.1850 age 22m
 son John died 25.1.1850 age 7
 
 NorrieG
 
 
 
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				Many thanks Norrie. One of them may fit.
 
 John
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				Hiya
 
 Very good of you to supply details, I am interested in a few unfortunately  ::) but there is no rush. No's 144, 146, 147, 151 and 218. Sorry to be a pain.
 
 Many thanks  ;D
 
 Sarah
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				Hi Sarah  no pain if i did'nt whant people to ask I would
 not post.
 
 Your inscriptions from Cupar Churchyard Cemetery
 If you wish Photographs let me know.
 
 144
 Erected by the Cupar Free Church Sabbath school teachers
 In memory of David TERRIS their devoted superintendent
 For 9 years died 11.8.1865
 
 
 146
 1860 Erected by John FERNIE & Elizabeth WESTWOOD
 in memory of son John  died May 1859
 
 
 147
 John FERNIE  Blacksmith died 16.5.1848 age 62
 daughter Isabella FERNIE died 14.12.1823 age 2
 wife Margaret DUNCAN died 30.7.1869 age 81
 
 151
 Erected by Jean BOSWELL in memory of her husband
 George FERNIE  skinner died 2.3.1858 age 41
 Wife Jean BOSWELL died 15.11.1880 age 73
 Son George died 20.5.1870 age 23
 Son David died 13.3.1872 age 20
 
 
 218
 John HODGE shoemaker Cupar died 28.2.1830 age 63
 erected by brother David HODGE wright Glasgow
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Thank you very much for the look up, I'm sure they fit into my tree somewhere but not as yet unfortunately!
 
 Thanks again
 
 Sarah  ;D
 
 P.s. don't suppose you have Dunfermline, Beath or Kelty do you?
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				Hi Sarah    Yes I have DOUGLAS BANK CEMETERY DUNFERMLINE
 some quite old 2000 headstones
 
 need both parents name.
 
 NorrieG
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				Thanks NorrieG
 
 I dont know the best way to do this really, not sure when people were not buried there anymore so will skip my grandads generation and start with his mother and her siblings.
 
 Elizabeth McIver Duff 1889 - 1969
 Bessie Duff abt 1890
 George Duff abt 1892
 Nellie Duff abt 1894 - 1979
 Maggie Duff abt 1896
 Katie Duff abt 1898 - 1954
 Michael Duff abt 1886
 Donald Duff abt 1885
 John Duff abt 1883
 
 These were all children of Margaret McIver/McIvor and John Duff. John Duff lived 1857 - 1941 and died in Dunfermline and was the son of John Duff and Elizabeth 'Betsy' Hodge.
 
 I have a William Hodge 1803 - 1856 s/o Robertson Galloway and William Hodge.
 
 I have a Margaret McIvor/McIver (married name Aitken) 1821 - 1898 d/o Donald McIvor & Margaret Philip.
 
 I have a Catherine Barrie (married surname Finlayson) 1800 - 1880 who I believe was d/o Jean Bryson and James Barrie.
 
 I'll leave at that for now!
 
 Thanks, it is much appreciated  ;D
 
 Sarah
 
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				Hello from New Zealand
 this is my first message on rootschat.
 
 I would appreciate if you have any information about the Wilson's below all from Cupar.
 
 I see two of them on your MI list of old Cemetery Cupar.
 
 18.    James Wilson       Jane Scott
 18     Thomas Wilson    Mary Anne  Robertson.
 
 
 James Wilson birth about 1720 Cupar   married    Mrs James Wilson,  7 children as follows:
 
 Katherine Wilson  birth  1746    married   Robert Pratt          1777
 James Wilson       birth  1747                                                                                                                                                          William Wilson      birth  1749   married    Euphemia Law      1809,                                                                                                    Mary Wilson         birth  1754                                                                                                                               Thomas Wilson    birth   1756   married    Campbell Watson  1783 ,                                                                                  Archibald Wilson  birth   1757                                                                                                                              John Wilson         birth   1759           all this family born in Cupar.
 
 Perhaps their are no cemeteries  now for the 1700's  ?
 
 Thomas Wilson 5th child of above married Campbell Watson 1783,   14 children as follows:
 All born in Cupar.
 
 James Wilson the eldest                     married Jane Scott,   ...............................  is on your MI list of Cupar
 Margaret Wilson christening  1786     married Thomas Sheppard  1808  Cupar
 William Wilson          '           1787     married  Euphhemia Law    1809  Cupar
 
 Thomas Wilson         "          1788     married Mary Anne Robertson Cupar..........  is on your MI list of Cupar
 
 Agnes Wilson                       1789
 John Wilson                         1791     married  Margaret Anderson   1796  Cupar
 Anne Wilson                        1791         "         William Bryson        1814   Cupar
 Robert Wilson                      1793         "         Elizabeth Mackie      1829   Cupar
 Isabel Wilson                       1795         "         Peter Edie                1821  Cupar
 Catherine Wilson                 1796         "         Thomas Syme          1823  Cupar
 Jane or Janet or Jean Wilson 1798        "         David Farmer           1829  Cupar
 David Wilson                        1800                   perhaps went to Canada
 Archibald Wilson                   1804                   perhaps went to Canada
 George Wilson                      1805        "         Euphemia Duncan   1840 Cupar
 (George Wilson married Euphemia Duncan and they came to live in New Zealand.)
 
 Perhaps some of the Monumental inscriptions will help to go back further in time or perhaps there are
 some relatives of these people still living in Cupar.
 
 Looking forward to your reply
 and a big thank you
 
 Decota
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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				Hello from New Zealand
 this is my first message on rootschat.
 
 I would appreciate if you have any information about the Wilson's below all from Cupar.
 
 Hi Decota Welcolme to Rootsweb
 
 I see two of them on your MI list of old Cemetery Cupar.
 
 18.    James Wilson       Jane Scott
 18     Thomas Wilson    Mary Anne  Robertson.
 Inscription from above
 
 Erected by Thomas WILSON in
 memory of his father
 James WILSON Merchant who died 30.7.1851
 His mother Jane SCOTT died 9.3.1856
 Children Isabella died 27.3.1859
 Frederick died 16.9.1860
 James Scott died 22.6.1869
 Mary Ann ROBERTSON wife of Thomas WILSON
 died 15.2.1871
 son Thomas WILSON died  13.5.1879
 
 There is also this Inscription in Cupar  the mention  of a
 daughter Jane Scott
 Is this any use to you?
 
 16   Thomas SMITH Manufacturer died 12.3.1905
 wife Margaret WILSON died 14.10.1861 age 41
 daughter Jane Scott died 25.11.1846 age 4
 only son William died 1.12.1851 age 10m
 
 James Wilson birth about 1720 Cupar   married    Mrs James Wilson,  7 children as follows:
 
 Katherine Wilson  birth  1746    married   Robert Pratt          1777
 James Wilson       birth  1747                                                                                                                                                          William Wilson      birth  1749   married    Euphemia Law      1809,                                                                                                    Mary Wilson         birth  1754                                                        Thomas Wilson    birth   1756   married    Campbell Watson  1783 ,   Archibald Wilson  birth   1757                                                         John Wilson         birth   1759
 all this family born in Cupar.
 
 Nothing On Index, Cupar Church would be where they would have been buried but no stones
 I see that the above are submitted entries on the IGI
 And you should always be careful in using them.
 
 Thomas Wilson 5th child of above married Campbell Watson 1783,   14 children as follows:
 All born in Cupar.
 
 James Wilson the eldest                     married Jane Scott,   ...............................  is on your MI list of Cupar
 Margaret Wilson christening  1786     married Thomas Sheppard  1808  Cupar #
 William Wilson          '           1787     married  Euphhemia Law    1809  Cupar#
 
 Thomas Wilson         "          1788     married Mary Anne Robertson Cupar..........  is on your MI list of Cupar #
 
 Agnes Wilson                       1789
 John Wilson                         1791     married  Margaret Anderson   1796  Cupar#
 Children Margaret Wilson 3.7.1804
 Mary Wilson 2.4.1807
 Anne Wilson                        1791         "         William Bryson        1814   Cupar#
 Robert Wilson                      1793         "         Elizabeth Mackie      1829   Cupar #
 Janet Wilson 18.5.1834
 Margaret Wilson 16.2.1831
 Barbara Wilson 23.10.1829
 John Wilson 17.5.1836
 Isabel Wilson                       1795         "         Peter Edie  #              1821  Cupar #
 Not on IGI
 Catherine Wilson                 1796         "         Thomas Syme  #        1823  Cupar
 Not on IGI
 Jane or Janet or Jean Wilson 1798        "         David Farmer   #        1829  Cupar #
 Not On IGI
 David Wilson                        1800                   perhaps went to Canada
 Archibald Wilson                   1804                   perhaps went to Canada
 George Wilson                      1805        "         Euphemia Duncan   1840 Cupar
 (George Wilson married Euphemia Duncan and they came to live in New Zealand.) Children on IGI
 
 Catherine   Wilson 3.9.1844
 John Wilson 12.2.1853
 Thomas Wilson 7.2.1841
 George Wilson 10.5.1849
 Euphenia Wilson 29.10.1842
 David Wilson 2.11.1846
 
 Perhaps some of the Monumental inscriptions will help to go back further in time or perhaps there are
 some relatives of these people still living in Cupar.
 There is no 1841 Census for Cupar but you could
 check the later censuses and see if you find them
 let me know if you require further lookups.
 Have attached Photograph
 Norrie
 
 
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 A big thank for the information and especially the photo of the tombstone.
 
 Decota
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				Hi  Sarah you said
 dont know the best way to do this really, not sure when people were not buried there anymore so will skip my grandads generation and start with his mother and her siblings.
 
 are these any of yours
 
 Elizabeth McIver Duff 1889 – 1969
 Dun1499
 Elizabeth DUFF born 1.9.1873 died 22.3.1914
 Robert CHRISTIE died at Inchyra Perthshire
 12.9.1900 age 57
 And Jane CREWAR  his wife died 1.6.1929 age 80
 Son David died 23.9.1939 age 57
 
 Bessie Duff abt 1890
 Nothing
 
 George Duff abt 1892
 nothing
 
 Nellie Duff abt 1894 – 1979
 Nothing
 
 Maggie Duff abt 1896
 Dun1769
 Alexander PENMAN died 14.9.1933 age 70
 daughter Babrara died 15.1.1914 age 13
 Janet McLEAN widow of James Walls PAGE
 Died 30.5.1934 age 37
 Margaret DUFF wife of James Gordon MURRAY
 Died 25.12.1935 age 33
 His wife Margaret DUFF died 1.9.1955 age 80?
 
 Katie Duff abt 1898 - 1954
 Nothing
 
 Michael Duff abt 1886
 Nothing
 
 Donald Duff abt 1885
 Nothing
 
 John Duff abt 1883
 Dys 434
 John DUFF husband of Susan CAMERON
 Died 3.4.1950 age 52
 Above Susan CAMERON died 27.1.1980? age 86?
 
 
 
 These were all children of Margaret McIver/McIvor and John Duff. John Duff lived 1857 - 1941 and died in Dunfermline and was the son of John Duff and Elizabeth 'Betsy' Hodge.
 
 I have a William Hodge 1803 - 1856 s/o Robertson Galloway and William Hodge.
 Dun.1758
 I have a Margaret McIvor/McIver (married name Aitken) 1821 – 1898
 Dumfermline 462 John Aitken & Margaret McIver
 
 d/o Donald McIvor & Margaret Philip.
 Nothing
 Is this one of yours
 Dun.   2360   Gilbert McIver     Jessie   Dewar
 
 I have a Catherine Barrie (married surname Finlayson) 1800 - 1880 who I believe
 was d/o Jean Bryson and James Barrie.
 Nothing
 
 Norrie
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				Hiya Norrie,
 
 Thanks for the look up, I think a couple could be mine but I am sure these are
 
 
 I have a William Hodge 1803 - 1856 s/o Robertson Galloway and William Hodge.
 Dun.1758
 I have a Margaret McIvor/McIver (married name Aitken) 1821 – 1898
 Dumfermline 462 John Aitken & Margaret McIver
 
 
 
 Also I wondered if you had my great grandparents who were John Clark (s/o William and Georgina Cruikshanks) born abt 1883 & Elizabeth McIver Duff (d/o John Duff & Margaret Mciver) born abt 1889 and died in 1969. And if any of their children are there:-
 
 Elizabeth Clark
 Kate Clark
 William Clark
 Georgina Clark born 1914
 Eileen Elizabeth Clark born 1921
 Susan McIver Clark born 1926
 
 Thanks again
 
 Sarah
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				Dear NorrieG,
 Could you provide the MI details for,
 
 104   William Young   died 1816 age 55
 please?
 
 I believe William Young had a grandson Robert Young b1811 who went to Australia and died in OZ in 1870.
 
 I am hoping he is the William married to Janet Young (maiden name I believe) although you never know! Thanks Tony
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				Could you provide the MI details for,
 104   William Young   died 1816 age 55
 please?
 I believe William Young had a grandson Robert Young b1811 who went to Australia and died in OZ in 1870.
 I am hoping he is the William married to Janet Young (maiden name I believe) although you never know!
 
 Hi Tony sorry  looks like this is not the one your after
 104          William YOUNG Burgess & Guild brother of Cupar
 died 17.9.1861 age 55
 Elizabeth NIVEN died 29.4.1946 age 84
 Georgina NIVEN died 19.2.1948 age 84
 
 Who did your William marry ?
 
 NorrieG
 
 
 
 
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				I have a William Hodge 1803 - 1856 s/o Robertson Galloway and William Hodge.
 Dun.1758
 I have a Margaret McIvor/McIver (married name Aitken) 1821 – 1898
 Dumfermline 462 John Aitken & Margaret McIver
 
 Hi Sarah inscriptions of the above
 Dun.1758
 In memory of my husband William HODGE
 died 7.9.1914
 also John HODGE son of above died 9.9.1927
 also Lillas D RICHARDSON wife of above died
 19.6.1936? age 72
 
 
 I have a Margaret McIvor/McIver (married name Aitken) 1821 – 1898
 
 Dumfermline 462
 John Aitken & Margaret McIver
 
 Erected by the Eldest Son & Daughter in memory of
 their Mother Margaret McIVER AITKEN
 Died 25.2.1898 age 78
 Also their father John AITKEN died 17.12.1899 age 85
 If you wish photos let me know
 
 Also I wondered if you had my great grandparents who were John Clark (s/o William and Georgina Cruikshanks) born abt 1883 & Elizabeth McIver Duff (d/o John Duff & Margaret Mciver) born abt 1889 and died in 1969.
 Nothing on these people
 and I need who their children married
 
 Elizabeth Clark
 Kate Clark
 William Clark
 Georgina Clark born 1914
 Eileen Elizabeth Clark born 1921
 Susan McIver Clark born 1926
 
 Norrie
 
 
 
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				Hi NorrieG,
 I only have hand scribbled notes passed down to me from a distant aged relative who thinks she has a photographic memory. Unfortunately nothing seems to be what it should be to date.
 I quote now;
 Robert Young born 1811 Scotland died in 1870 in Sydney, Australia
 Robert's father Charles and Inn keeper in Fife, married a Penelope Pousty middle of 1798. I now have a Penelope Pousty born 23/6/1779. Charles is supposed to be born in 1775 father William Young and Janet Young in Cupar. That is all I know. I am about to add this to my post as an update.
 
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				Hi NorrieG,
 
 Thanks for the additional info on the graves,and thanks for your kind offer of a picture, but if it is a bother don't worry about it, you have already done so much  ;D
 
 I Will send a pm with the married names of the children I was after incase anybody is still alive.
 
 Thanks again
 
 Sarah  :)
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				Hi again Norrie
 could I please have the the inscription for
 David Dalrymple & Violet Robertson
 
 Thanks Max
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				could I please have the the inscription for
 David Dalrymple & Violet Robertson
 
 Hi Max your inscription
 
 Violet M ROBERTSON died Elie 11.2.1869 age 32
 wife of David DALRYMPLE who died Largo 10.7.1900 age 40
 
 Norrie
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				Hi Norrie could you please check to see if you have anything
 on Violet Robertson parents , I think
 they are Andrew Robertsson & Margaret Turpie
 
 Thanks for the lookup
 Max
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				could you please check to see if you have anything
 on Violet Robertson parents , I think
 they are Andrew Robertsson & Margaret Turpie
 
 Hi Max sorry nothing on the index for Andrew Robertson
 & Margaret Turpie
 I do have this one
 
 Old C   113 John   Turpie   Jean Berwick
 by any chance are these Margarets Parents
 
 NorrieG
 
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				cancel that request  ::)
			
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				Fascinated to read all the info on Cupar!
 
 Wonder could you please give me some info on
 
 135   James   Robertson   died 1795 age 24
 87   John   Robertson   died 1886
 141   John   Robertson   Janet   Smith
 84   William Robertson   died 1888
 165   William Robertson   Margaret Rodger
 217   William Robertson   Agnes   Duncan
 
 
 Many thanks,
 
 :)Danishdots
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				Hi Danishdots your Cupar inscriptions
 
 Wonder could you please give me some info on
 135   James   Robertson   died 1795 age 24
 1834 erected by David ROBERTSON
 his father James ROBERTSON weaver Cupar
 died 19.1.1795 age 24 ?could be 74
 
 
 
 141   John   Robertson   Janet   Smith
 John ROBERTSON died 29.12.1892
 wife Janet SMITH died 12.2.1917
 daughter Isabella ROBERTSON died 15.11.1966 age 83
 
 84   William Robertson   died 1888
 87   John   Robertson   died 1886
 
 84   William ROBERTSON late Bank Manager Ballarat Australia
 died 25.4.1888
 son John C ROBERTSON  Medical Student died 29.8.1897
 
 85   Elizabeth ROBERTSON sister of  William ROBERTSON
 died 11.3.1890
 
 87   William ROBERTSON  died 3.7.1837
 wife Rachel ANDERSON died 20.11.1847
 daughter Isabella died in infancy
 son Thomas ROBERTSON wine merchant died 12.5.1854
 daughter Rachel Low died 10.6.1868
 son James died London 3.7.1872
 
 
 165   William Robertson   Margaret Rodger
 
 1849 William ROBERTSON mason died 30.9.1845 age 60
 2 children died in infancy
 daughter Ann died 19.5.1859
 wife Margaret RODGER died 3.11.1868 age 75
 Grandchildren Mary Ann & William BOYLE
 George ROBERTSON mason died 15.2.1890 age 71
 His wife Jane ROSS died 25.1.1881 age 53
 
 217   William Robertson   Agnes   Duncan
 Erected by William ROBERTSON smith in Cupar
 wife Agnes DUNCAN died 1.1.1797 age 32
 children William & Andrew
 
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				Hi Norrie, hope you're keeping well,
 
 Any chance some of "our" mob might be there - Kinnears, Bairds, Beveridges, Mitchells, Morgans, Hendersons?  Many of yours are the same as mine, as you know :)
 
 Would love to see any pics you might have of our shared rellies.  You have my email addy  :)
 
 Cheers
 Deb
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				Any chance some of these  might be there - Kinnears, Bairds, Beveridges, Mitchells, Morgans, Hendersons? 
 
 Hi Deb   look at Page 1 of Cupar Parish Church MIs and you will
 see the full list, I'm not aware of any of mine being there
 
 Norrie
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				Dear Norrie,
 
 Thank you so much for all the info that you have sent  :D- now to try and look and see if I can link them tro the Robertsons on my tree. :-\  I will get back to you when I've sorted it all out.
 
 Againa, thank you for being so helpful,
 
 Danishdots
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 Hi John here aer the inscriptions you asked for Cupar Church
 If you would photographs let me know.
 
 44   Allen   Comb         Agnes   Brown
 
 Agnes BROWN wife of  Allen COMB died 28.5.1820 age 27       Daughter Mary died in Infancy
 
 157   Charles Geddes   Margaret   Brown
 
 stone in 3 parts Charles GEDDES died 19.10.1878 age 76
 wife Margaret BROWN died 1897 age 81
 
 
 109   David   Howie      Janet   Brown
 
 David HOWIE Pressman in Cupar
 died 18.5.1876 age 69
 wife Janet BROWN died 6.8.1895 age 88
 son David died 1.8.1839 age 4
 daughter Margaret died 19.8.1839 age 2
 daughter Maggie Welsh21.1.1850 age 4
 son Peter died 23.1.1850 age 22m
 son John died 25.1.1850 age 7
 
 NorrieG
 
 
 
 Hello, I am trying to discover the parents of Alexander Geddes born 1834 in Scotland and died 1896 in Philadelphia.  He was married to Sarah ?? and had a son Charles A. who was my Dad's grandfather. I believe that Alexander's Dad may have been named Charles since he named his son Charles A.  I have found a Charles Geddes married to Margaret Brown from Fife Scotland and that they had a son named Alexander.  Can anyone provide me more info on Charles and Margaret's children?  The Alexander Geddes in my family line that moved to Philadelphia was a plumber by trade. Any info on Charles A. and Margaret Brown is appreciated so that I may link them to my heritage.
 
 
 
 
 
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				Hello, I am trying to discover the parents of Alexander Geddes born 1834 in Scotland and died 1896 in Philadelphia.  He was married to Sarah ?? and had a son Charles A. who was my Dad's grandfather. I believe that Alexander's Dad may have been named Charles since he named his son Charles A.  I have found a Charles Geddes married to Margaret Brown from Fife Scotland and that they had a son named Alexander.   
 Hi these are the Children of Charles Geddes &  Margaret Brown  on the IGI
 
 Father: Charles Geddes, Mother: Margaret Brown
 
 7. ANDREW GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 28 AUG 1834 Christening: 21 SEP 1834 Cupar
 
 2. JOHN GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 28 AUG 1834 Christening: 21 SEP 1834 Cupar
 
 5. CHARLES GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 07 AUG 1836 Christening: 28 AUG 1836 Cupar
 
 9. MARGARET GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 10 OCT 1838 Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 
 1. JANE GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 20 FEB 1844 Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 
 I can find nothing on an Alexander born to this couple 1834
 in Fife how did you find the Birth.
 
 Norrie
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				Thanks, Norrie - must have missed that page first time around ... either that, or Alzheimers is setting in!   ::)
			
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				Hello, I am trying to discover the parents of Alexander Geddes born 1834 in Scotland and died 1896 in Philadelphia.  He was married to Sarah ?? and had a son Charles A. who was my Dad's grandfather. I believe that Alexander's Dad may have been named Charles since he named his son Charles A.  I have found a Charles Geddes married to Margaret Brown from Fife Scotland and that they had a son named Alexander.   
 Hi these are the Children of Charles Geddes &  Margaret Brown  on the IGI
 
 Father: Charles Geddes, Mother: Margaret Brown
 
 7. ANDREW GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 28 AUG 1834 Christening: 21 SEP 1834 Cupar
 
 2. JOHN GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 28 AUG 1834 Christening: 21 SEP 1834 Cupar
 
 5. CHARLES GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 07 AUG 1836 Christening: 28 AUG 1836 Cupar
 
 9. MARGARET GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 10 OCT 1838 Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 
 1. JANE GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 20 FEB 1844 Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 
 I can find nothing on an Alexander born to this couple 1834
 in Fife how did you find the Birth.
 
 Norrie
 
 Hello, I am trying to discover the parents of Alexander Geddes born 1834 in Scotland and died 1896 in Philadelphia. He was married to Sarah ?? and had a son Charles A. who was my Dad's grandfather. I believe that Alexander's Dad may have been named Charles since he named his son Charles A. I have found a Charles Geddes married to Margaret Brown from Fife Scotland and that they had a son named Alexander.  
 Hi these are the Children of Charles Geddes & Margaret Brown on the IGI
 
 Father: Charles Geddes, Mother: Margaret Brown
 
 7. ANDREW GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 28 AUG 1834 Christening: 21 SEP 1834 Cupar
 
 2. JOHN GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 28 AUG 1834 Christening: 21 SEP 1834 Cupar
 
 5. CHARLES GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 07 AUG 1836 Christening: 28 AUG 1836 Cupar
 
 9. MARGARET GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 10 OCT 1838 Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 
 1. JANE GEDDES - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 20 FEB 1844 Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 
 I can find nothing on an Alexander born to this couple 1834
 in Fife how did you find the Birth.
 
 Norrie
 
 
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				Thank you for your reply.
 
 I researched this information on familysearch.org and there was a listing for Scotland Births & Baptisms between 1564-1950 on Alexander Geddes born on 28 August 1834 and christened on 21 September 1984 at Cupar, Fife, Scotland with fathers name Charles Geddes and mothers name Margaret Brown. Indexing Project (batch) number C11420-7, System Origin Scotland-VR, Source Film Number 1040101, Reference Number 2:15C12GV
 
 Does the birth date of 28 August 1834 and christening date of 21 September 1984 come up on any other listing?
 
 Thank you,
 Bernadette
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				Hi NorrieG,
 Thanks so much for all your hard work.I'm sure that it is a big help to a lot of us.
 I wonder if I could ask you for further information on 24 and 184, the Christie family?
 Many thanks,
 Annabel.
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				Could I also ask you whereabouts in Cupar this church is?
 Thank you!
 Annabel.
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				 wonder if I could ask you for further information on 24 and 184, the Christie family?
 
 Hi Annabel. this is the inscriptions, photo of 24 available
 
 24   Andrew CHRISTIE Esq.  Many years Banker here
 died 5.5.1831 age 66
 son Cathcart died 11.7.1832 age 35
 Wife Margaret DEMPSTER died 5.8.1842 age 73
 Son Captian Andrew CHRISTIE of the Bengal Army
 Died India 26.11.1821 age 33
 Charles DEMPSTER of St Andrews, widow Jane DEMPSTER
 died 12.1.1830 age 92
 
 
 184   Andrew CHRISTIE & Margaret DEMPSTER Children
 Alexander born 26.3.1790 died in Infancy
 John & Cathcart twins born 26.6.1791 died in infancy
 Henry born 25.7.1792 died in infancy
 Agnes died 18.4.1818 age 12
 George late banker Cupar died 29.7.1848 age 38
 John officer 3 Bengal Light Cavalry & Major General
 Indian Army CB & for some years Hon. ADC to the
 Queen in succession raised 8&9 regs. of Bengal Cavalry
 Known as Christie’s horse died San Remo Italy 7.5.1869 age 64
 Charles Lt.Col. 7th Bengal Native infantry for11 years
 paymaster Mutta division  died Edinburgh 10.3.1870 age 81
 Jane died 18.1.1874 age 79
 Margaret died 7.2.1874 age 72
 Robert died 12.9.1880 age 69
 Mary died 17.5.1882 age 84
 Melville died 6.12.1882 age 87
 Alexander died 13.3.1885 age 81
 
 This map site shows the position of the Church in the town
 
 http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=337320&y=714340&z=106
 
 NorrieG
 
 
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				NorrieG, this is wonderful as Andrew and Margaret are my husband's ggggrparents.
 I hope to be up from sussex soon, but if not can I PM you for a photo?
 I really am very grateful, and for the map details which are so helpful.
 A big thank you!
 Annabel.
 
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				Hi Norrie could I please have the inscription for
 
 No  51 Robert Taylor & Margaret Henderson
 
 Thanks Max
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				Hi Norrie,
 
 Could I please have the inscription for No162 William Carswell who died 1882 and his wife Cecilia Dewar who died 1895.
 
 Thank you  -   Weemanswife
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 Could I please have the inscription for No162 William Carswell who died 1882 and his wife Cecilia Dewar who died 1895.
 
 Hi    Weemanswife this is your inscription, photograph available if required
 
 
 162    1851 Erected by William CARSWELL & Cecilia DEWAR
 son George died 22.5.1850 age 4
 daughter Mary CARSWELL 28.6.1851 – 7.71851
 William CARSWELL died21.5.1882 age 64
 Wife Cecilia DEWAR died 8.2.1895 age 76
 
 Norrie G
 
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				Hi Norrie,
 
 Would love a photo of the grave of Wm Carswell & Cecillia Dewar.
 
 Thanking you.
 Weemanswife
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				could I please have the inscription for No  51 
 Robert Taylor & Margaret Henderson
 Hi Max your inscription
 
 51   Robert TAYLOR Writer in Cupar died 1.5.1845 age 54
 wife Margaret HENDERSON died 4.2.1864 age 78
 son David died 20.1.1827
 son George died 16.2.1833 age 13
 son Robert died 21.12.1834 age 6
 daughter Helen died 1.7.1843 age 31
 
 Norrie
 
 
 
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				Would love a photo of the grave of Wm Carswell & Cecillia Dewar.
 Hi  Weemanswife
 have attached photograph William Carswell & Cecillia Dewar
 
 Norrie
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				Hi Max what is your intrest in 
 Robert Taylor & Margaret Henderson
 
 I have TAYLOR ancestors in my tree, mostly in Central Fife
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Hi Norrie,
 I'm looking for death records for the following and wondered if you could help:
 
 William Jordan born about 1882 - son of Wm & Isabelle Jordan
 Robert Jordan born about 1888 - son of Wm & Isabelle
 James Jordan born about 1893 - son of Wm & Isabelle
 
 Other names I'm interested in:
 Thomas Dall married Margaret Ramsay - date of death unknown.
 Charles Watson & Jane Law - date of death unknown
 
 Any information on Jordan & Dall family from Cupar area would be appreciated.
 
 Regards
 Marion
 
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				William Jordan born about 1882 - son of Wm & Isabelle Jordan
 Robert Jordan born about 1888 - son of Wm & Isabelle
 James Jordan born about 1893 - son of Wm & Isabelle
 
 Nothing in index on JORDAN but remember that my index is for Cupar parish church, there is the extension and I have photographed of the new Cupar
 cemetery, will check later.
 
 Other names I'm interested in:
 Thomas Dall married Margaret Ramsay - date of death unknown.
 nothing on the above but see they had a number of children born 1830s
 and some on 1881 census, do you know who the children married?
 
 Charles Watson & Jane Law - date of death unknown
 
 Nothing on above do you know who children married?
 
 Norrie
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				Hi Norrie,
 Thanks for your reply, I'll check my records for more information
 Marion
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				Hi all   off  to get away from Fife for a touch of the sun
 
 will be back  26 September 2011 so just keep posting your
 
 Enquires and I will answer them when I get back, thinking
 
 of you all ( Good food wine & sun )
 
 Norrie
 
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				Hi Norrie
 
 I have the following names in my research but not sure which cemetery they would be in, going on other information I have it may be Cupar
 
 Thomas Dall & Margaret Ramsay
 Charles Watson & Jane (Jean) Law
 Thomas Jordan & Margaret Craley (Craillie) I have her death as 1888 so assume he will be around that time but unable to match a record to him.
 John Jordan & Martha (no surname) both born late 1700's early 1800's in Ireland but died in Fife. Any information on Jordan or Dall family would be appreciated.
 Thanks
 Marion
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				Hi Marion
 
 Thomas Dall & Margaret Ramsay
 nothing in index but I see they had quite a few
 children 1825 to 1840 do you know who they married
 Charles Watson & Jane (Jean) Law
 Nothing who did their daughter Jane marry
 Thomas Jordan & Margaret Craley (Craillie) I have her death as 1888 so assume he will be around that time but unable to match a record to him.
 Nothing in index
 John Jordan & Martha (no surname) both born late 1700's early 1800's in Ireland but died in Fife.
 Nothing on index
 Any information on Jordan or Dall family would be appreciated.
 only 3 Jordans in index
 Patrick   McHale   Bridget   Jordan
 George   McKay   Mary   Jordan
 Ord. Seaman A E    Jordan    died 1916 H.M.S. " Crescent
 I have about 40 headstones with Dall but only 1 in Cupar
 Robert Brunton   Ann Dall
 
 Norrie
 
 
 
 
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				Hi Norrie
 
 thanks for looking anyway, I'm drawing blanks on some of these names also.
 
 Marion
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				I'd be really grateful if you could tell me what the entry for Alexander Haxton and Mary Miller says (No.161)
			
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				entry for Alexander Haxton and Mary Miller says (No.161)  
 Hi kevalina  this is the inscription from the headstone in the
 Old Parish Church in Cupar, photograph is available.
 
 1840 Erected by John HAXTON baker
 his father Alexander HAXTON died 10.3.1835 age 77
 his mother Mary MILLAR died 30.10.1809 age 50
 son John died in infancy
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Thanks alot Norrie that's helped fill in a few gaps, 
 
 Kevalina
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				Hi Norrie
 
 I saw on reply#24 of this thread you refer to Elizabeth Duff, Robert Christie and Jane Crewar (I always believed this was Grewar with a G). Is it possible to get more information on these 3 people.
 
 Thanks so much!
 Susan Duff Timinski
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				Hi Norrie, Re: Thomas Dall & Margaret Ramsay
 
 The information I have on their family is
 Henry born 1 May 1825, Cupar
 James born 1 April 1827, Cupar
 Janet born 22 Feb 1829 - Cupar
 Cathrine born 27 Mar 1831, Cupar
 Thomas born 10 Mar 1833, Cupar, (my direct relative) he married Jane Watson
 Margaret (Maggie) born 11 Jan 1835, Cupar
 Henry born 12 Mar 1837, Cupar, assuming the 1st Henry had died by this time
 William born 2 Mar 1840, Cupar
 John born about 1842, Cupar
 
 Still looking for partners of the family will let you know as soon as, however any information on the above would be appreciated.
 
 Regards
 Marion
 
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				I saw on reply#24 of this thread you refer to Elizabeth Duff, Robert Christie and Jane Crewar (I always believed this was Grewar with a G). Is it possible to get more information on these 3 people.  
 
 Hi Susan   yes your right, after looking again at the picture
 it should have been GREWAR, photo available if you wish one.
 Know nothing else on the above family, but have these other
 stones in Dunfermline Cemetery, do you see any names in your research
 
 Dun.   1524   Jame   Christie   Christina   Allan
 Dun.   960   James   Christie   Margaret   Ritchie
 Dun.   1752   James   Christie   Helen   Thomas
 Dun.   675   John   Christie   Elizabeth   Christie
 Dun.   1868   John   Christie   Jemima   Keddie
 
 Dun.   2598   Alexander   Duff   Elizabeth   McBain
 Dun.   1890   David Oglivie Duff   Mary Christie Leitch
 
 Dun.   426   Robert   McPherson Agnes   Duff
 Dun.   1499   Robert   Christie   Elizabeth   Duff
 Dun.   2282   Matthew   Armit   Johnina B   Duff
 Dun.   1769   Alexander   Penman  Margaret   Duff
 
 Norrie
 
 
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				Hi Norrie
 
 I would love the picture for Jane Grewar and Elizabeth Duff if you have them.
 
 Thanks so much!!
 Susan Duff Timinski
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				Hi Susan headstone photo
 Norrie
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				Thanks so much Norrie! You do not have an image for Jane Grewar as well, do you?
 
 Sue
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				Hi Susan that was the only Headstone image I have
 that mentioned Jane GREWAR
 
 Norrie
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				Thanks Norrie. Is it that they are buried in the same location and the stones were updated? You do not happen to have MIs for Cothill or Clunie churchyard?
 
 Thanks! You have been a great help!
 Sue
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				Is it that they are buried in the same location and the stones were updated? You do not happen to have MIs for Cothill or Clunie churchyard?
 
 Hi Sue      question did Jane Grewar die someplace else
 
 I don't have the MIs for Cothill or Clunie churchyard
 If you google Clunie churchyard you will an address in
 Blairgowrie you can contact for burial details
 
 Norrie
 
 
 
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				Hi Norrie
 
 I believe Jane is correct. I was moving onto her first husband John Duff. I figured since you were so helpful with Jane you may know about Cothill Clunie or how I can get the correct information. I have a death record for John Duff and it states 26Jun1875 Cothill, Clunie Perth. Am I wrong to assume Clunie churchyard? I am stuck with him as I cannot find birth information anywhere. I am hoping the MI may help me if there is one  :)
 
 Thanks so much!
 Sue
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				I was moving onto her first husband John Duff. I figured since you were so helpful with Jane you may know about Cothill Clunie or how I can get the correct information. I have a death record for John Duff and it states 26Jun1875 Cothill, Clunie Perth. Am I wrong to assume Clunie churchyard? I am stuck with him as I cannot find birth information anywhere.
 Hi Sue   as you have the death certificate who was his parents.?
 Cothill was a farm Clunie, Google Cothill for a map.
 have you checked the 1871  Census?
 you said on roots web
 I’am looking for any information about John Duff he was born 1844 in Scotland, and died June 29, 1875 in Cothill, Clunie, Perth, Scotland. He was married to Jane Grewar on December 17, 1869 in Inverharrity, Glenisla, Angus, Scotland,
 IGI gives
 Father: John Duff, Mother: Jane Grewar
 
 1. ELIZABETH DUFF - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 01 SEP 1873 Glenisla, Angus, Scotland
 
 2. PETER DUFF - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 25 APR 1870 Glenisla, Angus, Scotland
 
 3. MARJORY DUFF - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 09 FEB 1872 Glenisla, Angus, Scotland
 
 it also has a John Duff born 11.2.1844 to James Duff & Agnes Osler
 
 NorrieG
 
 
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				Hi Norrie
 
 We believe John who was married to Jane Grewar has parents Peter Duff and Elizabeth McKay. I cannot find any info about the birth of John aside from the location in the census and death records.
 
 I do have the 1971 census. It has John with Jane and son Peter with John listed as ag laborer. It has him living at 5 Craig and confirms his birth in Coupar Angus. I assume Craig is the farm lived and worked on. I am unable to find any birth for John or marriage record for Peter and Elizabeth McKay. Peters death record has him married to Elizabeth McIvers.
 Any ideas? ;)
 
 Susan
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				Hi Norrie,
 
 I was wondering if you could send me the photo of 162  eg. William Carswell and his wife Cecilia Dewar who died 8 Feb 1895.
 
 Thanking you
 Joan
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				 was wondering if you could send me the photo of 162  eg. William Carswell and his wife Cecilia Dewar who died 8 Feb 1895.
 
 Hi Joan I sent you the picture on reply 55 on the 6th July
 roots web won't allow me to send again
 
 162    1851 Erected by William CARSWELL & Cecilia DEWAR
 son George died 22.5.1850 age 4
 daughter Mary CARSWELL 28.6.1851 – 7.71851
 William CARSWELL died21.5.1882 age 64
 Wife Cecilia DEWAR died 8.2.1895 age 76
 
 Norrie
 
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				Hi Norrie,
 
 Sorry about that.  Looked back and got it.  Thank you.
 
 
 Weemanswife
 
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				Hi Norrie,
 
 Any HAGGARTY's at all?
 
 It's a longshot.. can't find any trace anywhere!
 
 klg8
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				Any HAGGARTY's at all?
 It's a longshot.. can't find any trace anywhere
 
 Hi Klg8
 sorry no Haggartys in index
 on Haggarts in 1841 free Cen for fife or
 pre 1855 FFHdeath cd
 but in the 1851 Free Cen for fife there is one
 family in Dunfermline
 
 Piece: SCT1851/424 Place: Dunfermline -Fife Enumeration District: 13
 Civil Parish: Dunfermline Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Dunfermline
 Folio: 0 Page: 16 Schedule: 63
 Address: Kirkgate Street Taylors Close
 
 Surname   First name(s)   Rel   Status   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks
 HAGGARTY   John   Head   M   M   40   Labourer    Ireland - -
 KEITH   Ann   Wife   M   F   46   Housekeeper    Ireland - -
 HAGGARTY   Andrew   Son   U   M   13   Scholar    Ireland - -
 HAGGARTY   Bridget   Dau   M   F   19   Ragcleaner & Picker    Ireland - -
 HAGGARTY   Sarah   Dau   U   F   17   Ragcleaner & Picker    Ireland - -
 DUNLOP   Patrick   Sonlaw   M   M   30   Labourer    Ireland - -
 DUNLOP   Nelly   Visitr   U   F   12   Scholar    Ireland - -
 
 could this be what your looking for
 
 Norrie
 
 
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				Hi Norrie G,
 
 Wondering if you could give me the MI and the photo for 163 its for William Martin died 13-8-1924 and Margaret T Carswell.
 
 Thank you,
 
 weemanswife
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				Wondering if you could give me the MI and the photo for 163 its for William Martin died 13-8-1924 and Margaret T Carswell.
 
 Hi Wemyss wife your inscription & photograph
 
 163   1873 Erected by William MARTIN in memory of daughter
 Cecilia died 25.8.1866 age 6w
 Son John died 25.6.1859
 Margaret Carswells died 22.4.1872 age 28
 Daughter Cecilia Dewar MARTIN died 26.12.1956 age 88
 Above William MARTIN died 30.8.181924 age 91
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Hi Norrie,
 
 Thanks so much for looking for me. I'm new on this rootschat and finding everyone so helpful  :)
 
 My HAGGARTY interest stems from the following:
 
 Janet YOUNG (b. 26/03/1780 Cupar, Fife d. 1864) md Charles HAGGARTY 07/12/1802 Edinburgh.
 
 On the marriage entry it says Charles was in the Royal Navy. There was some later paperwork that indicated he was in the Merchant Navy so not quite sure. From what the family knows they went to Belfast, Ireland where their son Andrew HAGGARTY was born 01/10/1804. His birth shows up in the Cupar parish records but I think he was born in Ireland.
 
 From what we then know Charles must have died - perhaps in the Napoleonic wars of the time and we think Janet remarried as the son Andrew became known as Andrew Haggarty GILLESPIE. We've been unable to find Charles or the GILLESPIE marriage so we're not 100% on all this but Ireland does seem the most likely place Charles was originally from.
 
 I just keep looking for Haggarty's in hope that someone stumbles across the right one.
 
 klg8 (Karen).
 
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				I just keep looking for Haggarty's in hope that someone stumbles across the right one.
 
 Hi Karen  I will keep your HAGGARTYs on my wanted list
 all the best with your research
 
 Norrie
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				Hi Norrie
 Could you please send me the MI for George Edmeston and Mary Walker  No.169
 And I would love a photo of the grave if possible
 Many thanks
 Margaret
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				Could you please send me the MI for George Edmeston and Mary Walker  No.169
 And I would love a photo of the grave if possible
 
 Hi Margaret  the inscription reads, included Photo
 
 169   Erected by George EDMESTON in memory of his father
 James EDMESTON died    27.10.1820 age 92
 Mary WALKER wife of George EDMESTON
 died 6.2.1839 age 67
 Back of stone
 Barbara SMITH 1st wife of James EDMESTON
 died 23.5.1781 age 43
 Betty Bennet 2nd wife of James EDMESTON
 died 7.12.1803 age 48
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Hi Norrie.   The gravestone must have originally been upright if there is an inscription on the other side as well.  You wouldn't by any chance have a photo of the other side would you ?   I  don't really expect so, but just thought I would ask.
 Thanks for this, much appreciated.
 Margaret
 
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				You wouldn't by any chance have a photo of the other side would you ?
 
 Hi Margaret sorry no as you say its lying flat
 the inscription on the back came from Mitchell MIs
 recorded in 1972
 
 Norrie
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				Hi NorrieG
 
 Could you please give me details about the following MIs:
 
 98   Charles Lees & Jean Young
 100 Charles Lees & Catherine Torbayne
 128 Henry Jack Duncan & Katherine Lees
 
 TIA Helen
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				Hi Helen these are the inscriptions from Cupar Parish Church
 Photos are available
 
 98   opposite side of 100
 father Charles LEES died 1823 age 78
 mother Jean YOUNG died 1831 age 84
 son George Torbayne LEES died 12.7.1859 age 39
 wife Euphemia GLENDAY died 18.5.1901 age 75
 daughter Catherine died 10.10.1870
 daughter Mrs Farmer died 3.10.1885
 daughter Helen died 29.6.1901 age 94 ( wid. Of Thomas GREIG)
 
 
 100   Charles LEES Manufacturer here died 15.10.1855 age 81
 daughter Jessie died 20.101839 age 25
 daughter Euphemia died 26.12.1846
 wife Catherine TORBYANE died 13.3.1856
 
 128   Henry DUNCAN shoemaker died 26.12.1807 age 72
 Henry DUNCAN Manufacturer died 28.7.1848 age 77
 Wife Katherine LEES died 6.6.1836 age 65
 William DUNCAN tailor died 4.5.1841 age 38
 Jean DUNCAN died 23.6.1864 wife of James CURR
 Henry DUNCAN brick & tile Manufacturer died 2.12.1870 age 73
 David DUNCAN jeweller Cupar died Striling 2.4.1875 age 65
 Back of stone
 Son William surgeon dentist in Cupar & St Andrews
 died 19.7.1919 age 81 buried Warriston Cem. Edinburgh
 wife Cathrine AINSLIE died 10.2.1922 age 81
 Charles DUNCAN painter died 9.10.1884 age 84
 
 Norrie
 
 
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				That's brilliant, thanks Norrie.  And yes, I would like the photos if that's at all possible.
 
 Helen
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				hi Norrieg,
 
 have you any info on MI #11 James Loney and Catherine More.
 
 thanks in anticipation,
 barry
 South Australia
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				have you any info on MI #11 James Loney and Catherine More.
 Hi Barry this is the inscription from Cupar Parish Churchyard, photo included
 
 11  Erected By James & Catherine LONEY in memory to her
 mother Catherine MORE who died 18.12.1846 age 50
 widow of James LONEY who died 11.1.1862
 
 Norrie
 
 
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				Norrie,
 Thanks for the early reply and photo. This will fill in a blank for us.
 We are having some problems with the early spelling of family names .e.g., Lonie and Mair in  lieu of Loney and More.
 But that is part of the fun in tracing our family history.
 Barry
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				Hi Barry  these are the headstones  I have with varions on Lonie
 do you see any names of intrest
 
 St.Dr   362 John   Paton   Barbara   Lonie
 Abst   482 Walter   Stavert   Janet Buchanan Lonie
 Lg   631 Joseph   Hampton   Jessie   Lonie
 Les.   176 Charles   Hume    Jessie    Lonie
 Les.   321 Andrew   Wallace   Eliza   Lornie
 Dun.   75   William   Brown   Jean R   Lornie
 Ceres   31  Andrew   Lonie   Mary   Greig
 Dys   849 Henry   Lonie   Elizabeth   Nicol
 Old C   145  James   Lonie   Jane   Stewart
 Ew   1650 John   Lonie   Isabella   Grant
 Kh   125  John   Lonie   Dorothy   Baldwin
 Dys   289  Thomas   Lonie   Helen Ramsay  Shand
 Kh   126  William Roy   Lonie   Betsy   Cunningham
 Ceres   31    Andrew   Lonie Jun.   Jessie   Christie
 Lg   604  William   Lonnie   Mary   Moodie
 
 Norrie
 
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				Hi
 
 I am a beginner to all this so please excuse any daft questions.
 
 I am looking for information regarding the McLean family which I have traced back to the Parish records for Cupar where James McLean married Christina Bell in 1839.
 
 I am therefore interested particularly in the following
 
 42 Catherine Bell
 46 Catherine Bell
 118 Christina Bell
 123 Jane Bell
 
 thanking you in advance
 
 
 
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				I am therefore interested particularly in the following
 42 Catherine Bell
 46 Catherine Bell
 118 Christina Bell
 123 Jane Bell
 
 Hi e2dmc   the above inscriptions
 
 42   From Mitchells MIs
 ( column with an urn) Catherine Bell wife of William ROY
 died New Orleans 27.5.1858 age 41
 
 46   Mitchell MIs
 William DRUMMOND Esq. Banker died 29.3.1867
 Wife Catherine BELL died 1.10.1877 age 82
 Children Eliza M. died 31.5.1828 age 3
 Mary E. died 22.4.1840 age 10
 William F. died 24.12.1844 age 18
 John died 7.8.1850 age 29
 Walter died 29.7.1850 age 27
 Thomas B. died 19.5.1854 age 26
 James died 24.2.1858 age 25
 
 118   1853 In memory of Joseph PARKER died  1852 age 47
 wife Christina BELL died  1888 age 83
 children  George & William
 Francis Emsley PARKER died Hyeres France 1882 age 32
 George Hampshire PARKER died Los Angeles Cal. 18.2.1928 age 77
 Christine PARKER died 13.2.1929 age 88
 
 123   1844 George NESS died 28.11.1847 age 74
 wife Jane BELL died age 44
 daughter Mary died age 8
 son John died age 2
 son William died 2.11.1855 age 46
 back of stone Alex. TERRIS died 1844 age 41
 granddaughter Elizabeth TERRIS died age 2
 
 regarding the McLean family which I have traced back to the Parish records for Cupar where James McLean married Christina Bell in 1839.
 I have nothing in Index for this Family
 they did not seem to redgister their children with the Church
 the 1851 census gives
 1851 census: Cupar Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island:
 Folio: 319 Page: 20 Schedule: 101
 Address: 10 Well Street, Cupar
 
 MCLEAN   James   Head   M   M   33   Shoemaker    Fife - Cupar
 MCLEAN   Christina   Wife   M   F   34       Fife - Cupar
 MCLEAN   Christina   Dau   -   F   10       Fife - Cupar
 MCLEAN   Euphemia   Dau   -   F   8       Fife - Cupar
 MCLEAN   James   Son   -   M   1       Fife - Cupar
 
 Question did they stay in Cupar or did the move to Dundee or Kirkcaldy
 
 Norrie
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				Norrie
 
 Thank you for your prompt reply!
 
 Yes they moved to Dundee and I have been working backwards, hoping to find some record. By the way I have a copy of the 1851 census and I read the address as 16 Well Street.
 
 Edwin
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				 have a copy of the 1851 census and I read the address as 16 Well Street.
 hi Edwin the census I used was from Free Cen they have it as 10
 
 I had these from the 1881 census you will likely have them
 
 1881 census
 Institution:   "Poor House Parish Of Dundee & Liff & Benvie"
 Census Place:   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
 Source:   FHL Film 0203489     GRO Ref    Volume 282-4    EnumDist 42B    Page 19
 Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
 John YOUNG   W   78    M   Lochee, Forfar, Scotland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Labourer
 Mary Ann ANDERSON       11    F   Feary Port On Craig, Fife, Scotland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Agnes WRIGHT   U   27    F   Dundee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Alexander WRIGHT       2    M   Dundee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Ann CARGILL OR MOOR   M   45    F   Arbroath
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Ann MOOR       9    F   Arbroath
 Rel:   Inmate
 James MOOR       > 1   M   Dundee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Mary MC LEAN OR KELLY   M   47    F   Dundee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Margaret LAFFERTY   U   42    F   Huntly
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 John MC INTEE   W   50    M   Ireland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Weaver
 Elisth. MC LEAN OR STEWART   W   68    F   Dundee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Ann MC MAHON OR ALLAN   M   30    F   Ireland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Barbara SINCLAIR   U   48    F   Aberdeen, Scotland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Jane REITH   U   40    F   Aberdeen, Scotland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Robert REITH       10    M   Dundee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   None
 Jane BRANNAN       13    F   Glasgow
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   None
 William SADDLER   W   72    M   Inverarity
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Carter
 Elizth. SINCLAIR   U   35    F   Lochee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Weaver
 Mary Ann SINCLAIR       12    F   Lochee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Euphemia SINCLAIR       8    F   Lochee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Catherine SINCLAIR       3    F   Lochee
 Rel:   Inmate
 James MC LEAN   M   60    M   Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Shoemaker
 Jane BRAND   U   40    F   Coatbridge
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Ann FORBES OR IRONS   U   57    F   Aberdeen, Scotland
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 Betsy TAWSE   U   31    F   Dundee
 Rel:   Inmate
 Occ:   Millworker
 
 Dwelling:   5 Tindals Wynd
 Census Place:   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
 Source:   FHL Film 0203483     GRO Ref    Volume 282-3    EnumDist 2    Page 2
 Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
 James MC LEAN   M   30    M   Cupar, Fife, Scotland
 Rel:   Head
 Occ:   Porter At Railway
 Georgina MC LEAN   M   30    F   Peterhead, Aberdeen, Scotland
 Rel:   Wife
 James MC LEAN       10    M   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
 Rel:   Son
 Occ:   Scholar
 George F. MC LEAN       6    M   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
 Rel:   Son
 Occ:   Scholar
 John MC LEAN       4    M   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
 Rel:   Son
 Occ:   Scholar
 Frederick MC LEAN       1    M   Dundee, Forfar, Scotland
 
 Norrie
 
 
 
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				Thank you again.I have the 1881 census details for Tyndals Wynd, who are my direct ancestors. I have been using Scotlands People, so will now try Free Cen where I can. Not sure how I missed Free Cen as I have been using Free BDM but for English/Welsh ancestry. I will have to see where the other McLeans take me.
 
 Edwin
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				Hi Norrie
 
 Any chance of photos of these three MI's.
 
 98   Charles Lees & Jean Young
 100 Charles Lees & Catherine Torbayne
 128 Henry Jack Duncan & Katherine Lees
 
 Many thanks.
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				Any chance of photos of these three MI's.
 98   Charles Lees & Jean Young
 100 Charles Lees & Catherine Torbayne
 128 Henry Jack Duncan & Katherine Lees
 
 Hi Wacky these are the inscriptions, the photographs are not all that clear
 and I have used Mitchiles MIs to help
 
 100   Charles LEES Manufacturer here died 15.10.1855 age 81
 daughter Jessie died 20.101839 age 25
 daughter Euphemia died 26.12.1846
 wife Catherine TORBYANE died 13.3.1856
 
 98   opposite side of 100
 father Charles LEES died 1823 age 78
 mother Jean YOUNG died 1831 age 84
 son George Torbayne LEES died 12.7.1859 age 39
 wife Euphemia GLENDAY died 18.5.1901 age 75
 daughter Catherine died 10.10.1870
 daughter Mrs Farmer died 3.10.1885
 daughter Helen died 29.6.1901 age 94 ( wid. Of Thomas GREIG)
 
 128   Henry DUNCAN shoemaker died 26.12.1807 age 72
 Henry DUNCAN Manufacturer died 28.7.1848 age 77
 Wife Katherine LEES died 6.6.1836 age 65
 William DUNCAN tailor died 4.5.1841 age 38
 Jean DUNCAN died 23.6.1864 wife of James CURR
 Henry DUNCAN brick & tile Manufacturer died 2.12.1870 age 73
 David DUNCAN jeweller Cupar died Striling 2.4.1875 age 65
 Back of stone
 Son William surgeon dentist in Cupar & St Andrews
 died 19.7.1919 age 81 buried Warriston Cem. Edinburgh
 wife Cathrine AINSLIE died 10.2.1922 age 81
 Charles DUNCAN painter died 9.10.1884 age 84
 
 Norrie
 
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				Hi Wacky I have these 2 Headstones in Ceres Cemetery, not
 to far away from Cupar any intrest?
 
 Ceres 4   David   Lees   Isabella   Forrester
 Ceres 97   David   Lees   Elizabeth Lawson   Anderson
 
 Norrie
 
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				Hi Norrie
 I looked on your list for an MI for my ancestor Rev Dr James Cochrane but he doesn't seem to be there.  He was the Minister there from 1841 to his death in 1877.
 There is a stone and a window for him and his 2 sons - they must be inside the church:
 
 stone 232: Rev Dr Cochrane minister first charge here, son Henry John 14/4/1850.  (perhaps this was instead of a MI?)
 
 233 (window) James Church Cochrane of Bengal Civil service died Azamgarh 4/2/1874.
 
 Any chance of a photo of these?  I would love to see one, or anything about Rev James Cochrane in the church records.  I'm trying to find out more about him but can't find a date of birth to go back any further.
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				Hi Kirsty  sorry no photos inside Cupar Church 
 
 This is all the information I can find out about James Cochrane
 
 Piece: SCT1851/420 Place: Cupar -Fife Enumeration District: 1
 Civil Parish: Cupar Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Cupar
 Folio: 420 Page: 15 Schedule: 66
 Address: Millgate, Cupar
 
 Surname   First name(s)   Rel   Status   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks
 COCHRANE   Jas (The Revd)   Head   W   M   45   Minister 1st Charge Cupar    Clackmannanshire - Alloa
 CHURCH   Margaret   Sislaw   U   F   41   Domestic Duties    Dumfries-shire - Canonbie
 COCHRANE   Jane M   Dau   U   F   6       Fife - Cupar
 COCHRANE   Catharine M   Dau   U   F   4       Fife - Cupar
 COCHRANE   Eleanor C   Dau   U   F   3       Fife - Cupar
 BLYTH   Agnes   Servnt   U   F   22   Servant    Fife - Cameron
 LUMSDEN   Marion   Servnt   U   F   21   Servant    Midlothian – Edinburgh
 
 
 JAMES JAMESON COCHRANE  Male
 Birth:  23 MAY 1805
 Christening:  02 JUN 1805   Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
 Parents:
 Father:  ROBERT COCHRANE  Family
 Mother:  JEAN COWIE
 
 Father: Robert Cochrane, Mother: Jean Cowie
 
 1. JAMES JAMESON COCHRANE - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 23 MAY 1805
 
 2. JAMES JAMESON COCHRANE - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Christening: 02 JUN 1805 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
 
 3. WILLIAM COCHRANE - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Male Birth: 23 AUG 1801 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
 
 4. MARJORY COCHRAN - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Birth: 11 OCT 1808
 
 5. MARJORY COCHRAN - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Christening: 20 OCT 1808 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
 
 6. ELIZABETH COCHRANE - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Christening: 20 SEP 1795 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
 
 7. JEAN COCHRANE - International Genealogical Index
 Gender: Female Christening: 09 AUG 1798 Alloa, Clackmannan, Scotland
 
 Norrie
 
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				Hello Norrie G , i am trying to trace a Thomas Kirkaldie , died 1903 in Dollar and believed to be buried in Cupar .
 tom
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				... my ancestor Rev Dr James Cochrane ...  He was the Minister there from 1841 to his death in 1877.  
 
 
 Hi Kirsty
 
 I thought you might be interested in the entry under the heading of Cupar Presbytery for James in the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae the succession of ministers in the Church of Scotland Hew Scott D.D., Vol 5, Synods of Fife, and of Angus and Mearns. Oliver & Boyd Edinburgh: Tweeddale Court 1925
 
 "JAMES COCHRANE, M.A.: pres. by Queen Victoria 5th Feb., and ord. 13th May 1842; trans. to First Charge 18th Aug. 1843."
 
 pres. = presented
 ord. = ordained
 
 Not a lot, I appreciate, but somethiing different nevertheless.
 
 Regards
 
 Chiad Fhear
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				There was a bit more on another page ...
 
 JAMES COCHRANE, born Alloa 1805, son of John C. and Catherine Anderson; educated at Univ. of Edinburgh; M.A. (1828); licen. by Presb. of Edinburgh 28th April 1830; private secretary to Dr. Thomas Chalmers and librarian to Theological Library, Univ. of Edinburgh; ord. to Second Charge 13th May 1842; pres. by Queen Victoria 3rd, trans. and adm. 18th Aug. 1843; D.D. (Edinburgh 1871); died 21st May 1887.  He marr. 22nd Oct. 1841, Jane (died 3rd April 1850), daur. of James Church, Park House, Canonbie, and had issue – Henry John, born 2nd Jan. 1843, died 14th April 1850; Jane Margaret, born 28th Oct. 1844 (marr. William Little, Burnfoot, Langholm); Catherine Mary, born 27th Nov. 1846 (marr. Ernest William Peto Betts, Rector of Drayton – Beauchamp, Bucks.); Eleanor Christian, born 26th Jan 1848 (marr. Henry M. Church M.D., Edinburgh); James Church, Indian Civil Service, born 4th March 1850.  Publications – Manual of Devotion (Edinburgh, 1836); The Protestant’s Manual (Edinburgh, 1839); The Works of H. Binning, with a Life of the Author (1839); The Present State of the Church (Cupar-Fife, 1843); Manual for Sabbath School Teachers ; Communicant’s Companion ; The World to Come (Edinburgh, 1847, 2nd Ed. 1852); Discourses on Peculiar Texts of Scripture (Edinburgh, 1848); Companion to the Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper (Edinburgh, 1850); Discourses on Difficult Texts of Scripture (Edinburgh, 1851); Discourses on the Last Things (Edinburgh, 1855); The Temple of God and how to Build it (Cupar, 1861); The Resurrection of the Dead (Edinburgh, 1869). – [The Fife Pulpit, 118-128.]
 
 Regards
 
 Chiad Fhear
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				trying to trace a Thomas Kirkaldie , died 1903 in Dollar and believed to be buried in Cupar .
 
 Sorry Tom nothing on my index for Cupar parish Church Cemetery.
 but could be in the new cemetery just ouside Cupar
 
 Scottish Monumental Inscriptions are about to bring out a Cd for this
 cemetery and you can check on line to see if his name is listed.
 remember its only where there are headstones
 
 Norrie
 
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				Thanks very much Norrie , is the ceres cemetery transcribed , he could be there .
 Tom
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				Hi Tom   yes there is a stone for Kirkcaldy in Ceres
 but wrong spelling KIRKCALDY
 Thomas Kirkcaldy died 1959 age 78 & Christina McLEAN died 1939 age 58
 I see in 1881 census Edinburgh a Thomas KIRKALDIE born 1854 Cupar
 and his wife Janet? born 1853 Burntisland
 who were his parents?, did they always spell Kirkaldie that way.
 
 Norrie
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				thanks Norrie , none of these dates match up with mine , there are a few different spellings even in the same families ,often the mistake of registars who just wrote it down as it sounded and was never corrected , i will need to do a bit more research , i believe there are a few in Kilmany churchyard but without stones .
 thanks tom .
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				Hello Norrie , sorry my dates were wrong , the thomas you mention in the edinburgh cesus is the son of the thomas who i believe is buried in cupar , the census confirms he belonged to cupar , i am fairly sure he would have a stone as they were quite well of , what other cems are in the cupar area ?
 regards tom .
 
 
 
 
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				Norrie, 
 I have just found this thread ,and wondered if you had any information on a Robert Robertson b about 1760 and his wife Clementina Stuart b about 1760 , They had five   children I believe , Jane 1789,Agnes 1791, Robert 1793, Elizabeth 1794, and William 1796. Robert senior was  a jeweller in Cupar. If you had a photo of their gravestone I would be very grateful . I think the cemetery is near `wynds`?
 much obliged
 ep
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				Hi Evelyn sorry no headstones in Cupar Parish Church Cemetery
 for your Robertsons, there are a number of Robertsons there, just not
 yours.
 
 FFHs pre 1855 death Cd gives this information
 
 Robert Robertson Cupar
 Buried 21.12.1820 age 65
 Cause Dropsy
 
 Clementina Robertson ( Stew) Cupar
 Buried 10.4.1830 age 71
 Widow of Robert Robertson
 
 William Stewart Robertson  Cupar
 Died 22.10.1847 age 51
 Tinsmith & plumber
 Son of Robert Robertson & Eliz Stuart
 
 NorieG
 
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				Norieg,
 Thank you so much for the info , it was good of you to look it up . Although there is no headstone I now have some definite dates for Robert and Clementina .
 Many thanks
 EP
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				Hi Norrie
 A latecomer to this thread.  :)
 Are there any gravestones for OGILVY?  My grandmother, Lizzie Ann Bruce INNES, whose mother was Elizabeth Ogilvy, was born at Coupar Grange in 1877, and Ibelieve there was family there.
 
 Many thanks
 Dorothy
 New Zealand
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				Norrieg
 You happened to mention other Robertsons last time . Could I trouble you for their names and headstones  if there is not too many for you to detail ? Hoping  I may be able to connect them up .
 Much obliged
 EP
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				,My grandmother Lizzie Ann Bruce INNES, whose mother was Elizabeth Ogilvy, was born at Coupar Grange in 1877,  
 
 Hi Dorothy  when I look for Coupar Grange it comes up as in Perthshire
 
 Cupar Cemetery is in the middle of Fife,
 
 Who was Elizabeth Oglivie married to?
 
 NorrieG
 
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				Oh.  Sorry!  Elizabeth was married in Dundee in 1875 to Alexander INNES from Banffshire.  He died in Canada in 1890.  Elizabeth was born in Dundee, the daughter of John OGILVY and Elizabeth BRUCE, in 1843.  She died in Balmerino in 1922.
			
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				You happened to mention other Robertsons last time . Could I trouble you for their names  
 
 56   James Scott died 1869 wife Mary Ann Robertson
 died 15.2.1871
 
 74   William Robertson d 3.7.1837 wife Rachel Anderson died 20.11.1847
 son Thomas wine merchant d12.5.1854. daugh. Rachel Low d 10.6.1868
 son James died London 3.7.1872. son William late bank manager
 Ballarat Aust. Died 25.4.1888. son John  Wine Mch. died 4.6.1886
 Son John medical Student d 29.8.1897. da Janet d 18.4.1894.
 da Eliz d 11.3.1890.
 
 88   Peter Scott d 24.1.1858 age 63
 wife Isabella Robertson d 18.12.1873 age 73
 
 157      James Robertson weaver d 9.1.1795
 
 177         Erected by Robert Robertson Farmer
 William Stewart Robertson d 22.10.1847 age 50
 Gfa Robert Robertson d 1821 age 60
 Gfa James Mitchell d 1825 age 59
 Ggm Violet Walker d 1848 age 80
 William Stewart Robertson d 16.12.1854 inf.
 Eliz Robertson d 11.9.1855 age 2
 Robert Robertson d 10..6.1871 age 13
 Father Robert Robertson d 10.11.1874 age 46
 Wife Barbara Wilson d. 1869 age 36
 
 186   John Robertson d 29.12.1892
 wife Janet Smith d 12.2.1917
 da. Isabella d 9.11.1960 age 83
 
 197      William Robertson smith Cupar
 wife Agnes Duncan d 1.1.1797 age 32
 
 223      1849 William Robertson mason d 30.9.1846 age 60
 2 children died in infancy
 da Ann d 19.1852
 wife Margaret Rodger d 3.11.1868 age 75
 George Robertson Mason d 15.2.1890 age 71
 Wife Jane Ross d 25.1.1881 age 53
 
 Norrie
 
 
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				Norrieg,
 Many thanks for these , hopefully they will shed some light on members of the family .
 Much obliged to you .
 EP
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				Hi Norrie and Chiad Fhear 
 Firstly, apologies - for some reason I didn't get an alert about responses to this thread, and have been by for a while, so have only just seen your replies. Thank you both very much for looking up Rev Cochrane for me - that's really helpful and you have filled in some gaps for me.
 
 cheers
 Kirsty  :)
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				Hi Norrie looking back through your postings on 
 SCT-FIFE you posted New Headstones in Cupar Old
 Parish Church 4
 in 2006
 
 could I please have inscriptions for
 165 William Robertson & Margaret Rodger
 204 George Innes & Margaret Rodger
 
 Thanks Max
 
 
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				Hi Max your inscriptions from Cupar Parish Church
 
 165   1849 William ROBERTSON mason died 30.9.1845 age 60
 2 children died in infancy
 daughter Ann died 19.5.1859
 wife Margaret RODGER died 3.11.1868 age 75
 Grandchildren Mary Ann & William BOYLE
 George ROBERTSON mason died 15.2.1890 age 71
 His wife Jane ROSS died 25.1.1881 age 53
 
 
 204   George INNES mason died 22.12.1863 age 65
 wife Margaret ROGER died 27.5.1883 age 65
 daughter Margaret died in infancy
 daughter died April 1894 age 49
 
 Norrie
 
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				Hi Norrie  could I please have a photograph of this headstone
 165   1849 William ROBERTSON mason died 30.9.1845 age 60
 2 children died in infancy
 daughter Ann died 19.5.1859
 wife Margaret RODGER died 3.11.1868 age 75
 Grandchildren Mary Ann & William BOYLE
 George ROBERTSON mason died 15.2.1890 age 71
 His wife Jane ROSS died 25.1.1881 age 53
 
 Thanks Max
 
 
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				Hi Max  the photo is not all that clear but remember its been around
 from 1859.over a 150 years. and it is of sandstone which dosen't wear well.
 I took the inscription from Mitchells MIs which is from Around 1970/80
 
 Norrie
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				Hello Everyone.  Sorry if I am in the wrong topic but my search led me to one of the middle pages.
 
 I am researching my dad's side of the family  and I have gotten stuck at only my Great Grandfather.  Unfortunately no other family exists to give me any info so I am looking for some here.
 
 My dad, George Donald Brown b. 7 Sep 1929 Cupar d. 27 Mar 1994 Kirkcaldy
 His dad: George Brown b. 1900 Cupar d.1963 Cupar. Married to Kate MacCorquodale
 His dad: George Brown b 1861 Dunbog Married to Helen S Turpie Parents to George & Helen A Brown.
 
 If anyone can provide information on either the Browns or the Turpies I would be most grateful
 
 The 'next dad', my Great, Great Grandad may also have been a George and he may have married one Helen Black!
 
 Thank you
 Mike Brown
 
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				My dad, George Donald Brown b. 7 Sep 1929 Cupar d. 27 Mar 1994 Kirkcaldy
 His dad: George Brown b. 1900 Cupar d.1963 Cupar. Married to Kate MacCorquodale
 His dad: George Brown b 1861 Dunbog Married to Helen S Turpie Parents to George & Helen A Brown
 
 Hi Mike welcome to Fife Roots Chat I have checked my headstone index but cannot see stones for the above. In the presently in use Cupar Cemetery in the index of the Scottish Monumental
 Inscriptions for that Cemetery it lists a MacCorquodale this could be the above Kate
 you can purchase their Cd for £12
 
 Norrie
 
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				Thanks Norrie, but Kate is buried in teh main cemetery on teh Ceres road.  I realised that teh topic was the old church's cemetery, no relatives there IU'm sure, but my search lande me in teh middlle of this topic and I didnt know where elese to look.
 Thanks
 Mike Brown
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				Dear Norrie,
 Wonder can you help again please?  Am just out of hospital and remember finding a fabulous photo of headstone, before I was admitted,  in Fife ???Cupar with PRATT and SANDS on it but cannot remember where or how I found it!!!  I should have kept the link I know!  Can you give me any lead please? :-[
 
 Much appreciated,
 Danishdots
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				Hi Danishdots  Sorry they were not mine. don't know where else you could look
 
 Norrie
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				Thanks Norrie- will just have to keep looking.  
 
 :'(
 Danishdots
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				Hi, Norrie
 I couldn't find a direct thread for Ceres gravestones so I thought I'd ask you directly if you've any photos or records for Ceres.
 I've a relative who was married to John Howie of Ceres. Her name is Jean Dobie or Durie. The Dobie is not traceable so I think it may be Durie.
 However, there is a MI inscription, I assume for Ceres, which reads something like Jean DOBIE Alias HOWI:(e) of Ceres. Died: Aug 1799 Aged: 82 Widow of Jean (John) Howie. Year tentative   Mitchel Monumental Inscriptions - according to the FFHS disk. On looking at it I can see that, if the stone were old and weathered, the top of the O if missing could be a U, and the B could be an R.
 
 Hi Jim sorry nothing for John HOWIE & Jean DOBIE but there are 2 headstones
 in Ceres Cemetery, could they be connected ?
 
 45   Oliver HOWIE Builder died 11.11.1863 age 75
 children Margaret & Agnes died in infancy
 Jane Howie died 14.8.1844 age 17
 Oliver Howie died 7.11.1859
 William Howie died 1866
 George died 1887?
 Robert died 28.6.1887
 Elizabeth died 1861
 wife Agnes Clark died 1877
 
 46   Erected by George HOWIE in memory of his wife
 Agnes YOUNGER died 9.11.1829 age 38?
 son George died 25.5.1827 age 1 month
 Margaret PETRIE his mother died 9.9.1833? age 70?
 his brother James HOWIE died 24.9.1845 age 38
 his father John HOWIE died 4.5.1845 age 58?
 above George HOWIE who departed this life 28.3.1861 age 79
 
 attached photos  Norrie
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				Hello, Norrie
 Thanks for the photos. I have the Oliver Howie / Agnes Clark family on one of my branches. Oliver was a grandson of John Howy and Jean Durie/ Dobie whom I'm trying to sort out.
 Just for the record, their son George died 03 Jan 1867 at Ceres and daughter Elizabeth died 02 Dec 1868. As far as I can tell there were ten children. The dates on the stone were useful, thanks.
 As for George Howie and Agnes Younger, and George's parents John H and Margaret Petrie, I've stumbled across them a few times but haven't been able to link them with my tree. There appear to be twelve children of John and Margaret.
 Given the large number of Howies from Ceres, I'm surprised that there are only two Howie headstones.
 I'm grateful to you
 Jim
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				Hi Norrie
 If you ever come across a gravestone in Cupar Churchyard for James Cochrane, 1805-1877, I'd love to see a photo. There's a plaque for him inside the church, and 2 windows for his sons, which I have seen and photographed. He was the minister at Cupar (1st charge) from 1842-77 and the current minister says he is buried in the churchyard somewhere. I spent a couple of hours looking at the gravestones there last year but couldn't find it, and the minister wasn't sure where it was.
 
 best wishes
 Kirsty
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				Hi Norrie
 I'm interested in the Thomson MIs, if you would be so kind  :)
 
 196   William Thomson   Mary Ann   Bayne
 103   David   Thomson    Ann   Spens
 65   David   Smith      Elizabeth Thomson
 174   Michael Smith      Helen   Thomson
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				Hi Norrie
 I'm interested in the Thomson MIs, if you would be so kind  :)
 
 196   William Thomson   Mary Ann   Bayne
 103   David   Thomson    Ann   Spens
 65   David   Smith      Elizabeth Thomson
 174   Michael Smith      Helen   Thomson
 
 
 Hi Fifer your inscriptions for above
 
 Norrie
 
 65   1868 David SMITH  Builder Cupar died 12.10.1860
 wife Elizabeth THOMSON died 14.7.1850
 son David died Limerick 3.6.1847
 daughter Christina died 9.11.1865
 daughter Elizabeth died 23.9.1869
 son George died 22.3.1873
 son Arthur died Bredbury Cheshire 22.7.1885
 granddaughter Catherine died 8.3.1880
 daughter Agnes died 15.1.1915
 
 103   David THOMSON died 8.4.1879 age 87
 wife Ann SPENS died 20.3.1872 age 73
 Children John & Nathan died in Infancy
 Son James died Fitzroy Town Hall Melbourne Aust.
 10.9.1881 age 58
 son Robert died Luthrie 24.3.1889 age 70
 
 174   Michael SMITH in Cupar Muir died 26.1.1829 age 74
 wife Helen THOMSON died 20.6.1841 age 78
 son David farmer Cults & Walton  died 21.7.1853 age 27
 daughter Margaret died 17.11.1870 age 80
 son Michael died 22.11.1882 age 82
 
 
 196   Erected by William Thomson  Merchant in Cupar
 wife Mary Anne BAYNE died 7.2.1814 age 26
 
 
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				Thank you Norrie I'll now search amongst my Cupar/East Neuk Thomsons to see if any of these might tie in!  :)
			
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				Norrie, 
 Would you be so kind as to send me a photo of number 23
 
 23 Captain Andrew MITCHELL Royal Tay Fencibles and afterwords
 Fifeshire Militia died 1837
 Captian James MITCHELL Fifeshire Malitia died 29.4.1837
 His wife Margaret CARASTAIRS died 15.11.1837
 2nd son John died 1822 infant
 1st son James bank manager Wigan died St. Andrews 8.1.1901
 To the memory of Ann BURN wife of Rev. James TRAIL
 Minster of St Cyrus ( aunt of the above Margaret CARSTAIRS
 
 Thank you,
 C Wallace
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				Norrie, 
 Would you be so kind as to send me a photo of number 23
 
 23 Captain Andrew MITCHELL Royal Tay Fencibles and afterwords
 Fifeshire Militia died 1837
 Captian James MITCHELL Fifeshire Malitia died 29.4.1837
 His wife Margaret CARASTAIRS died 15.11.1837
 2nd son John died 1822 infant
 1st son James bank manager Wigan died St. Andrews 8.1.1901
 To the memory of Ann BURN wife of Rev. James TRAIL
 Minster of St Cyrus ( aunt of the above Margaret CARSTAIRS
 
 Thank you,
 C Wallace
 
 
 Hi your photo for the above
 Norrie
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				Thanks, Norrie. 
			
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				inscription only for no. 3, please !...thanks i.a.
			
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				inscription only for no. 3, please !...thanks i.a.
 
 
 3   Erected by Robert MELVILLE ( London)
 John MELVILLE died 9.6.1810 age 49
 Wife Helen MITCHELL died 10.12.1832 age 70
 Children Helen died 5.9.1827 age 25
 John died 30.9.1828 age 31
 Andrew died 28.8.1833 age 44
 Christian died 2.2.1840 age 38
 Above Robert MELVILLE died Riverhead Kent 27.9.1868
 
 NorrieG
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				James Cochrane, 1805-1877 ... was the minister at Cupar (1st charge) from 1842-77 
 Hi "kirstyc"
 
 I'm not connected, but the attached image is from Rev James Cochrane's entry in the Fasti Ecclesiæ Scoticanæ, New Edition, Volume VII: Synods of Fife and of Angus and Mearns, The succession of Scottish Ministers in the Church of Scotland from the Reformation, by the Rev. Hew Scott, D.D.
 
 Regards
 
 Chiad Fhear
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				Hi "fifer"
 
 I though you might be interested in the Funeral Notice for who I think may be your James from "The Argus" Melbourne, Victoria : Monday 12 September 1881:
 
 "THE Friends of the late Mr. JAMES THOMSON, stonemason, many years hall-keeper, Fitzroy-Town-hall, are respectfully invited to follow his remains to their last resting place, in the Melbourne General Cemetery.
 The funeral procession will move from his late residence, Fitzroy Town hall, THIS DAY (Monday, the
 12th inst.), at a quarter to 2 o'clock precisely."
 
 There isn't a Death notice, but this is sometimes the case in the Australian papers  ::)
 
 Cheers
 
 Chiad Fhear
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				Can I have any info that pertains to James Laing and Catherine Anderson please.
 
 Any mention of NZ. I am chasing info for John Laing born Cupar Fife 1833 son of James Laing esq, Merchant Cupar Fife ( thses details were on a newspaper notice for his marriage on 29 Dec 1857 to Christina Brown here in Wellington NZ.
 
 Thanks for anything
 Sue Bowers
 New Zealand
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				Can I have any info that pertains to James Laing and Catherine Anderson please.
 
 Any mention of NZ. I am chasing info for John Laing born Cupar Fife 1833 son of James Laing esq, Merchant Cupar Fife ( thses details were on a newspaper notice for his marriage on 29 Dec 1857 to Christina Brown here in Wellington NZ.
 
 
 Hi Suzi,
 
 Hope you don't mind but I thought it may be best to include your request being to NorrieG which I'm including from his post of burials on page 1...
 
 61   James   Laing      Catherine Anderson
 
 Annie
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				Hi Rosinish & Suzi the inscription from Cupar Parish Cemetery is
 
 
 61   James LAING Merchant in Cupar died 20.9.1833 age 44
 son died in infancy 7.3.1834
 erected by wife Catherine HENDERSON
 
 have included a photo
 
 NorrieG
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				Thanks very much for your time and information
 
 Regards
 Sue B
 New Zealand
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				Been researching my Family for past couple of years and traced them to Cupar/Kemback area. Due to health and now disability am restricted in travel. Therefore am asking if anyone can help and has information on Wilson's of Fife. 
 I live in Dunbar and was taken for a very short visit to Cupar church where I took pictures of (18) James Wilson & Jane Scott, & (18) Thomas Wilson & Mary Ann Robertson's headstones, but they don't seem to be link to my branch.
 My family are
 (1) David Wilson (b.abt1691) m.1716 Catharine Rodger (b.abt1695)
 (2) David Wilson (b.1719 Ceres) m.1737 Jannet Peatie (b.1718 Leuchars)
 (3) John Wilson (b.1745 Ceres d.1812 Kemback) m.1768 Agnes Gibson (b.abt1747 d.abt1824)
 (4) John Wilson (b.1780 Kemback d.bfr 1861) m.? Jean Cunningham (b.abt 1792 Kemback d.aft11861)
 (5) John Wilson (b.1821 Kemback d.1878 Inveresk, Musselburgh) m.1847 Cupar, Janet Ness (b1825 St Andrews d.aft1891 England)
 I have much, much more information to share with those interested. Because the family lives and work in and around Cupar/Kemback I suspect they may have been interred there.
 My e-mail address is gavin1wilson@btinternet.com
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				Dear Norrie
 I would be grateful for any further detail on:
 186   Henry Jack Stark   Margaret Horsburgh
 185   James   Stark      Barbara Horsburgh
 60   John   Stark      Margaret Jamieson
 Many thanks
 Peter