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Title: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Monday 31 March 08 17:24 BST (UK)
I am still looking for the children of Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway they married in 1929.They had six daughters.I have just found on a funeral cut from a newspaper Allan and Em and five daughters attended the funeral of Mr A E E Meek.Has anybody any idea where these daughters are,they are my husbands 1st cousins.
Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Monday 31 March 08 17:40 BST (UK)
The trouble with Thomas is that there are so many! If you have full access to full birth indexes you could woek through them all from 1929 onwards looking for births with maiden name Mudway. Possible.
Another angle would be if you know when Allan himself died and could find a will. They can be briilaint for finding someones children, and I n the case of daughters, if it was made after they married can give their married names too.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Monday 31 March 08 18:03 BST (UK)
Hi,

I don't know when Allan Died thats the problem.I haven't got full access to indexes so thats another one.

Janice.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Monday 31 March 08 18:11 BST (UK)
Heres one daughter -

Moderator comment: please don't post details of living people here - against Rootschat policy.  If you can help, please send details by Personal Message.

Will see if I can find anymore....
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Keziahemm on Monday 31 March 08 18:14 BST (UK)
Hi Janice

These are Forest of Dean names, have you tried the History Society?  A lot of the parishes have been transcribed and, once registered, free to search.  You could also put a request on the forum for anyone knowing of this family.

http://www.forest-of-dean.net/

Susan  :)
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Monday 31 March 08 18:24 BST (UK)
Catone.

Thank you so much,first one to be found by anyone.

Regards
Janice.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Monday 31 March 08 18:26 BST (UK)
 Hi Susan,

I have tried The Forest of Dean Site its very good but no luck for this family.

Regards
Janice.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Monday 31 March 08 18:46 BST (UK)
Did you get a note of the birth registration in 1930 (details removed by mods)

Will pm it to you if not

Regards
Cat  :)
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 09:34 BST (UK)
Making a note here of years searched so I don't forget and so anyone else looking doesn't do same years -

1930 - 1 found
1933 - 1 found
1934 all 22 pages! - No finds

Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 09:38 BST (UK)
cat one - you are a star! When I saw how many pages of Thomas's there were for each quarter I backed off and posted as I did (about 9 posts ago)

Now you have put me to shame - I'm off to do 1935 - will report back!

LizDB
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 09:55 BST (UK)
Hi Liz,  :)

Am just stubborn and awkward, dont like being defeated, although I felt like running too when I saw how many pages!  ;D

Its not too bad skimming through MMN for Mudway, its the time it takes for each page to load  ::)

Cat  :)

yeeaaaah! Found another in 1933! Will pm details!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 09:59 BST (UK)
1935 all done - none found.

i'm doing 1936 now - is that OK?
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 10:03 BST (UK)
OK, I'll do 1937, Good luck! One every two years maybe!

Cat  :)
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 10:28 BST (UK)
None in 1936

I'll do 1938 next
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 10:31 BST (UK)
None in 1937, will go back to 1931 and 1932, should be less pages in the war years hopefully! 
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 10:48 BST (UK)
FOUND ONE!!

In 1938 (Oct/Nov/Dec)

Will pm Elton with details

btw - are you remembering to keep checking the rest of the quarter even when you've found one, in case there are twins and other ones name begins with a letter further down alphabet?
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 10:50 BST (UK)
Well done! I'm going crosseyed!

Yes I thought of twins earlier, will have to recheck the one I found yesterday though...

Cat  :)
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:08 BST (UK)
None in 1939.

what have we got now? 1931, 33, and 38 is it? That means 3 more to go. Or, of course it could be more - they could have had other children who either died as children.

Onwards and upwards - i'll start on 1940 (now this is war years is it not? 1939-45?)
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:13 BST (UK)
1930 1/4 was the first one I found, and rechecked to make sure she wasn't a twin!

None in 1932, will check 1931 now in case she sneaked one in then....

Yes,War Years should be quicker to search hopefully, possibly one born not long after war end?!  ;)
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:24 BST (UK)
1940 done - none found

i'll do '41 next
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:27 BST (UK)
Where was yours registered? The two I found before were registered in Monmouth but I've just found one in 2/4 1931 registered in Eton?! Will pm the details to Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:28 BST (UK)
Mine was Forest of Dean
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:32 BST (UK)
Hi,

A Big Big thank you to everyone who has looked at Thomas and Mudway for me so many Thomas's!!
Thank you all again

Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:35 BST (UK)
So 2 in Monmouth, one in Eton and 1 in Forest of Dean, 2 to go now isnt it?! Phewww!

Checking 1945 now...
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:43 BST (UK)
none in 1941  -they certainly spread them out didnt they?

Did you do 1929 - in case they were quick off the mark? i'll either do that or 1942.
Will rest my eyes whilst waiting to hear back as to what you are doing so we dont duplicate!

so - we've got 30, 31, 33, 38 ? yes?
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 11:47 BST (UK)
Yes, 1930, 1931, 1933 and 1938 so far....

No, I didn't do 1929, still on 1945 at the minute

added, none in 1945, on 1946 now....

Then the problem will be what are the girls married names?!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 12:07 BST (UK)
none in 1929 - so I'll do 1942 now
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 12:22 BST (UK)
none in 1942, I'm calling it a day for now!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 12:46 BST (UK)
None in 1946 either, will check 1943, then have a rest I think!

added - none in 1943
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Tuesday 01 April 08 14:07 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thank you, you certainly all need a rest and a cup of tea,can't thank you all enough.

Kind Regards
Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 15:06 BST (UK)
Just done 1944
So I think that means between us we have covered 1929 - 1946 incl, but only found four of the six for you.
I cant guarantee I didnt miss any, thouh I did my best. It does make you go cross eyed after a bit!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 15:14 BST (UK)
If Emma is the Emma Selina born in Monmouth in 1909, then by 1946 she is 37, so still has some childbearing years left ......

What year was A E Meek's funeral, Janice? I cant imagine them taking very small children to it.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Tuesday 01 April 08 16:12 BST (UK)
Hi,

The piece of newspaper I have got says he was 6oyrs old so if he was born as I think in 1900 that makes it 1960.And yes it was Emma Selina born monmouth.Thank you so much for all this infomation that you have given me I am so grateful.
Thank you once more
Janice.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 16:26 BST (UK)
This must be the death reg then?

Albert E Meek March 1960 Forest of Dean Vol 7b Page 468 age 60

I presume its ok to post this as hes no longer with us....

ps. searched 1947 too, no results....
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Tuesday 01 April 08 16:35 BST (UK)
Hi,

I would think its alright,never know might find some of his ofspring I don't know about.One BIG thank you for all your time today.
Kind Regards
Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 16:49 BST (UK)
None in 1948 either
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Tuesday 01 April 08 16:53 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thank you so much,I think you deserve a pat on the back.

Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 01 April 08 16:57 BST (UK)

Then the problem will be what are the girls married names?!

Hi Girls,

Sorry not to have joined the search earlier today  ;D
Is it possible that MR A E Meek was married to one of the daughters?
They'd all go to a funeral of their sisters hubby surely?

Oh scrap that idea  :-[ I didn''t see that he was 60 in 1960. DOH !!!

Carol
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 16:59 BST (UK)
Hi Carol

Where HAVE you been? We've been at this one ALL day!!!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:01 BST (UK)
 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

I have just found an Albert E Meek on same page of marriages in Dec 1925 as a Elsie K Thomas in Monmouth.

Any good?

Carol
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:03 BST (UK)
P'raps Elsie is Allan's brother. JAnice may well know.

Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:13 BST (UK)
never know might find some of his ofspring I don't know about.

so .... would you like us to start looking for Meeks with mums maiden name Thomas now from 1926...... (will be a whole load easier as there will not be so many pages of Meeks!)
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:16 BST (UK)
FreeBMD  has two 1926 and 1928 in Monmouth.
HAve to watch Thomas's in Wales, there are so many it must be easy to get worng ones
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: carol8353 on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:18 BST (UK)
That's not fair Liz, I tried twice and it timed me out both times saying it was too busy to complete that action!

Have we got all 5 Thomas girls now,or are there anymore years still to be searched?

Carol
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:24 BST (UK)
Janice said in her first post that there were 6 girls, five at the funeral.

We have found 4 - in 1930, 1931, 1933 and 1938

Have searched 1929 - 1948 incl
(mother, Emma is about 39 by 1948)

It was Cat One who started the search - she needs the medal for taking it on and getting us all addicted!!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:28 BST (UK)
Hi,

Yes Elsie is Allan's  sister they were my husbands mothers brother and sister,they were part of a big family from the Forest of Dean but alot moved to different parts of the county and I presume lost touch.My inlaws moved to Birmingham where I now live.Thank you but the meeks are not really the family I am after it is the Thomas side.

I can't thank all enough for todays work.
Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 17:33 BST (UK)
Janice, what was the source of the info that there were actually six daughters?  Can any more be gathered from that source?

Was Elsie still alive when hubby A E Meek died? Is there likely to be a funeral for her round about then too, when who knows, Allan, Emma and their girls might be there (and the newspapaer reporter might be a bit more detailed...)

OK maybe I am clutching straws, but that is what this game is all about, then suddenly one avenue of enquiry comes good. well, that is the idea!

Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 18:09 BST (UK)
Have you got Allan and Emma's marriage cert? Was he a bachelor? just wondering if the missing daughters could have been born pre 1929 from a previous marriage. Unlikely to be Emma's, she was only 20 when marrying Allan, but wondered if could be his.

 - still thinking this one over whilst ironing!!!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 01 April 08 18:14 BST (UK)
Well, we like the awkward ones don't we??!!  ;D Its been a challenge!!

I'm wondering if we've missed a couple earlier on though, pre war years, maybe a mistranscribed one  :-\

I thought maybe A Meeks was an uncle of the girls, as he must have been a close family member for their parents to take them to a funeral, maybe if you can find descendants of his (his children, cousins to the girls) they could give you info on who the other girls are/marriages etc...

Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Tuesday 01 April 08 18:23 BST (UK)
Hi,
I can't remember where I got six from,They weren't at Elsie Meeks Funeral she died aged 74yrs so about 1974c At Alberts funeral.FLOWERS.....sent Allan Em and five Daughters.Alan was a bachelor when married.
Regards
Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 01 April 08 18:27 BST (UK)
Oh well, worth a try!

MAybe the fifth that we havnet found was born before the marriage and actually registered as Mudway?

must go and get dinner now!

Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: carol8353 on Wednesday 02 April 08 07:17 BST (UK)
I have just done Mudway's from 1926-29 inclusive,but found none born to a mum called Mudway.

I think this mystery might only be solved if you manage to find living descendents from one of the other girsl found so far.

Carol
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Wednesday 02 April 08 07:37 BST (UK)
Hi,

A really big thank you for all your help with these children,and now to see if and who they married,and also if they had children.I am going to send for a couple of their Birth Certs to see where they were born address etc and go from there.
Kind Regards
Janice.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 02 April 08 09:38 BST (UK)
Their marriages will be too late for FreeBMD, Janice, so if you dont have access to the full indexes, then you will need someone to do the trawling for you again.

That's why I thought a Will for Allan might be a help - they can be wonderful at listing daughters with their married names!! Do you know when Allan was born? was he def spelt with the slightly unusual 2 'l's' We know he was alive in 1960 if he went to the Wells funeral - any other clues as to when he might have died? Or Emma his wife? If she outlived him then hers may be a more informative Will.

The daughter I found in bn 1938 had a reasonably unusual Christian name, so I will look for a few years for a marriage for her, for you.
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 02 April 08 09:48 BST (UK)
Sorry, have to cancel that idea! I may have thought it an unusual name, but I have only looked in 1958 and 1959 and have already found 7 people called Thomas with that Christian name marrying!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Wednesday 02 April 08 09:50 BST (UK)
Hi,

This is quick I must go out today(Husbands waiting!) Allan is Allan on the Funeral bits I have,Emma Selina Died 1987 aged 78yrs Gloucester.I know nothing about Allans death.
Regards
Janice
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: lizdb on Wednesday 02 April 08 10:01 BST (UK)
the most likely death for Allan looks like:

Jan 1988
Allan Henry Thomas d-o-b 15 Feb 1904
death registered Jan 1988
age 83
Gloucester ref 22 2135

now, I dont like to spend your money for you (!) but getting his will might be a good move, if he made one.
His wife has predeceased him, so it is likely he will leave stuff to his daughters. Now, depending on when he wrote the will (if he made one) it could well have the daughters married names. if you are really lucky it might have other snippets like addresses or grandchildrens names.  Or , of course, he might leave everything to the Dogs Home, or not have made a will!
If there is one, there will also be, hopefully, th eaddress of the executor when the will was proved in 1988, so IF that is a daughter or son-in-law, you will get an address, albeit 20 years old.
Enjoy your day out!
Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: mippsaublue on Thursday 03 April 08 15:53 BST (UK)
Hey - Can I join in???

Can't help with the girls of the above union, but can give you Emma's ancestors back to 1711.

Emma Selina Mudway was born on 14 Dec 1908 and died mar qtr 1987 aged 78 yrs. ;D

Title: Re: Allan Thomas and Emma Mudway
Post by: Elton on Thursday 03 April 08 21:17 BST (UK)
Hi,

Please if you could give me some so that I can check that what I have is right.

I would be most grateful,just her direct line as its the Thomas line that is my

mine interest.

Kind Regards
Janice.