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I would like a lookup please for M.I. St.Deiniol for the following -
Jane Jervis/Jarvis nee Williams born 1834 Beddgelert, died 1882 Llanddeiniolen, possibly Commercial Inn, widow of Thomas.
This was my gt.grandmother's sister.
Thank you.
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I have just realised that My books are in my laptop case which I have left at my sister in law's house. I will get them back next saturday and will look it up for you then - promise!!
Was that the Commercial Inn in Penisarwaun Village? - My mother was born in the small house next door! The house is still standing but not an Inn now as you may well know.
Regards Pingu
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Yes that's it. I have never visited Penisarwaen Village so have no idea what the Inn looked like.
Thomas had moved by 1901 to Disgwylfa, Llanrug, and he died 1907.
Look forward to your reply at the weekend.
Glenys
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Glenys
I will translate the inscription for you
Grave F178
In rememberance of Jane the wife of Thomas T Jervis Commercial Inn Penisarwaun who died June 14th 1882 aged 48. Also their son Robert who died March 15th 1885 aged 17. Also the above mentioned Thomas Jervis who died JAnuary 18th 1907 aged 74. Their son David Closs Jervis who died August 26th 1908 aged 20
Regards
Sharon
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Sharon,
Many, many thanks for the look-up and translation.
Diolch yn fawr
Glenys
:) :) :)
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Croeso
Happy to help
Sharon
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Hi
With reference to the COMMERCIAL INN in Penisarwaun i visited family in that village this summer. I have a photo of the building that was once Commercial Inn (as my Grandmother worked there inthe 1930s)
If you would a copy e, mailing to you let me know.
Gwyn
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I would like a lookup please for M.I. St.Deiniol for the following -
Jane Jervis/Jarvis nee Williams born 1834 Beddgelert, died 1882 Llanddeiniolen, possibly Commercial Inn, widow of Thomas.
This was my gt.grandmother's sister.
Thank you.
Hi I have been researching my family off and on for the last few years, can tell me did they have a daughter Jane who married an Owen Lewis, because my gt. gt.gt grandmother was a Jane Jarvis/Jervis whose father was Thomas from Llanddeiliolen
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Gwyn, apologies for not replying to your offer of photo of the Commercial Inn. Think I may have been sent a pic of this Inn earlier this year by a kind person, but I will check and get back to you.
Didih,
Thomas 1833 had a sister Jane born 1835 - is that about the right age? no marriage information as yet, or are you referring to Thomas's daughter Jane born 1865. I have her marrying a William Dalton.
Glenys
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Dont know about Thomas sister, the Thomas I have in my tree is a Thomas Jarvis/Jervis ( there is some confusion over if it is Jarvis or Jervis as it is different in different records and even amongst the family noone is absolutley sure) who was married to a Jane they had a daughter Jane who was married on 15th March1884 to Owen Owen Lewis when she was 20. Her father on the wedding certificate is listed as Thomas jarvis of the Commercial Inn, Penisarwaun.
Owen and Jane had 6 children one of whom was my grandfather
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Didih,
The info re Jane's marriage was given me by a G.R. member, Karen; I have now checked on freebmd for marriage of Jane Jervis/Jarvis and as you say the only one I can find is to Owen Owen Lewis, March qtr 1884.
The surname does vary from census to census.
Thomas Jervis/Jarvis born 1833 Llandeiniolen married Jane Williams born 1834 Beddgelert, baptised 29th November 1834, Beddgelert. Jane was sister to my gt.grandma Elizabeth born 1847 Llanrug. Jane and Elizabeth had 12 brothers and sisters!!!! Their father Robert Williams was a master shoemaker.
I will contact Karen, and try to find how she came about her information!
Glenys
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Can I provide the following for consideration re the Jervis family of Commercial Inn, Penisarwaen.
An author called Caradoc Pritchard wrote a Welsh novel called Un Noson Oleu Leuad (rough trans One Moonlit Evening) which is based on Bethesda and, as you can imagine, has a number of fictional charcters. However, it was widely believed that these characters had roots in real live people living in Bethesda and a Mr John Elwyn Hughes, a renowned authority on Bethesda matters has written a book called Byd Go Iawn Un Noson Oleu Leuad (rough trans The real World of etc)
He has a chapter on the Schoolmaster (called Preis Sgwl in the novel) which he says is Thomas Jervis born 1858 in Penisarwaen.
He moved to Bethesda from Pensarn, Anglesey where he had been a teacher since 1877. He married Eliza on 4th August 1882 (in Anglesey I think) and the book list their children including Robert who was killed in France on 20th January 1920. There is a moving scene where the local Rector calls in at the School to inform him of his sons death.
Looking on the 1871 Census Thomas Jervis aged 14 Scholar (Pupil Teacher) at Commercial Inn looks good to me. He is not there in 1861 but one of the right age and born Llanddeiniolen is shown as a grandson to Robert Williams, shoemaker at Caeathro, Llanrug parish (can't decide whether this is the area Caeathro or a house called Caeathro) which seems to be the family you refer to in the last post.
gwil
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Gwil,
Yes, this is the same family!
I have found Thomas 1858 in 1861 living Dinorwic Arms, Llanddeiniolen, parents Thomas and Jane.
1871 Commercial Inn, 1881 School House, Llaneilian, Angelsey, 1891 Llanllechid, 1901 Gerlan Schools, Bethesda.
His grandparents Robert and Catherine Williams, nee Griffith, were my gt.gt.grandparents, Robert was a master shoemaker.
I don't have information on all of Robert and Catherine's descendants: three of their children went to Australia, my gt.grandmother being one, and her story is a very interesting one!
If you are able to give me any more information I would be most grateful.
Diolch,
Glenys
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Hmm, yes I see the one on 1861 that you refer to at Dinorwig Arms. Strange that he seems to be also registered with his grandparents as well. Happened often I suppose. ( I started comparing the Jervis/Jarvis through the census years but got bogged down)
I have no further info other than the existence of the book I refered to. I could see nothing regarding Robert Williams side of things. so if it turns out there were two Thomas Jervis/Jarvis born around 1857/8 in Llanddeiniolen then the one in the book could be either.
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Thanks Gwil.
:)