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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: hjem on Saturday 29 March 08 21:48 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
I am looking for the family (parents and siblings) of Margaret Eastop born Glasgow c1851 and moved 'south' at sometime. Married Owen Jones and spent most of her married life in Belvedere Kent. Owen was an engineer and Margaret had 11 children.
Can anyone help??? :)
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Hi
A copy of their marriage cert will give her fathers name and occupation
September qtr 1869 Shoreditch Volume 1C Page 385
There is an 1861 Scottish entry for a Margaret b 1851 Glasgow - parents Alexander & Jessie. However - she is still with them in 1871
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IGI (www.familysearch.org) search from 1846 to 1856 - brings up only 2 Margaret Eastops.
Born 06 March 1855 in Tradeston Glasgow. to Charles Eastop and Jane Malcolm. and to the same couple another Margaret 10 Oct 1867. You'll have to double check with CaroleW's info. All children to this couple born in the same parish.
If the correct parents - it's an unusual name - I've posted you the 9 children by pm. Too tired to sort them out in order. However - if you repost in order - I'm sure those with census info may be able to help. Also some of the names are 'doubles' meaning an earlier sibling had usually died.
If the above 1855 is your Margaret - you 'must' download her birth entry from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk -a ppv site 1855 is the year on which most info was on birth certs in Scotland.
Off to zzzzzzzzzzzzzz :O)
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Hi
I discounted the 1855 Margaret as the marriage was 1869
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hi all
also
scotlandspeople has a death for margaret eastop 1856 tradeston lanark
b c1856( if she died before first birthday ?)
ev
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Thanks everyone, especially Carole, I think the Alexander one is 'mine' as she was is Shoreditch for the first couple of children,, and maybe the others as well. Thats brilliant thankyou - we had no idea of her parents name or definate year of marriage so that has given us something to 'aim' for. :) ;D ;D
Mary
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Hi
I think the Alexander one is 'mine'
I don't think so - see my reply above
There is an 1861 Scottish entry for a Margaret b 1851 Glasgow - parents Alexander & Jessie. However - she is still with them in 1871
As your Margaret married in Shoreditch in 1869 - it cannot be the right parents
The only sure way is to buy a copy of her marriage cert to establish a fathers name and occupation
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Ahh, I can see the flaw in that. Weird though if 2 Margarets came from Scotland to Shoreditch area, will have a look at that wedding cert - maybe she took 1st child to see grandparents (she says clutching at straws). they did go back to Mums sometimes to have the children - or Mums came to look after them, thats how my Granny met her husband - had to look after sister when having child as their Mum (Margaret nee Eastop) was also having a child and couldn't go. Its got to be worth looking into. Thanks :)
Mary
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Weird though if 2 Margarets came from Scotland to Shoreditch area
They didn't - please read my reply - There is an 1861 Scottish entry
1861 for Scotland - not England
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sorry, thought you meant 1861 in Scotland, married down here then back to Scotland. . .ahh just seen the other flaw in that - if she was married it would be Jones not Eastop. My excuse is I'm tired - been up too long!! Think I need to go through it in the morning when my brain is working.
Thanks
mary
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and a P.S., think I need to find out when she got married if I can, or at least have a guess from the birth year of the 1st child. :-[
Mary
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Hi
You really are tired aren't you? Suggest you print off all replies and go through them that way rather than on screen - might be easier
and a P.S., think I need to find out when she got married if I can
I have already given you her marriage details in my first reply
A copy of their marriage cert will give her fathers name and occupation
September qtr 1869 Shoreditch Volume 1C Page 385
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Looked for the name on the 1851 census and got these individual records which may be the one family.
1851 EASTOP THOMAS Male 21yrs GLASGOW GLASGOW/LANARK
1851 EASTOP JANNETT Female 21yrs GLASGOW GLASGOW/LANARK
1851 EASTOP ELIZABETH Female 2yrs GLASGOW GLASGOW/LANARK
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Hi sancti,
Thanks for that info, I've been doing another link so have been pretty tied up with it. I have Margaret on the 1881 census (married with children) being 29 which would make her birth 1852ish, I do remember Mum and Gran years (many!!) ago talking about a Thomas Eastop as well so that could easily be her brother (Margaret was having children when her eldest was having them as well) or even her father. Interestingly Margaret called 1 daughter Amelia Janet (known as Janet) and 1 Elizabeth. Have ordered marriage cert so hopefully it will arrive soon and give parents names. I guess if it was 1 family it could be parents and older sister. Hope cert hurries up!
Many thanks,
Mary
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Have you tried viewing the record on SP? It is a lot cheaper than ordering the cert.
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Thanks Sancti, will give it a go.
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Hi!
I found your posts re: the Eastops and jones by chance and Margaret Eastop & Owen Henry Jones are my GG Grandparents on my mother's side. From reading your posts I think one of your mother's relatives, (cousin or brother maybe), did a lot of research back in the 1970's. I have his information which he sent to my late grandfather who was the son of Margaret and Owen's daughter Harriet born 1903 died 1955. I've tried to attach the copy of the family tree and photos with Margaret and family in, but even just sending one my file is too large. I'll try to work out how to make it smaller!
In the meantime-Margaret Eastop b29.8.1851 Anniesland Glasgow, married 12.9.1869 Shoreditch, died 7.2.1929 Belvedere, Kent. Her husband, b 6.12.1847, Thornham? Norfolk, died 1934 Belvedere, Kent.
Margaret's parents were Thomas Eastop b around 1830 prob Glasgow married 31.12.1850 Glasgow, died 17.01.1906 Shoreditch, occ iron moulder. His wife was Janet Macaulay or McAulay b 24.02.1830 Govan, Glasgow. Died 22.01.1868 Hackney.
Thomas Eastop's father was called James died by 1869 no further details on the Eastops.
Janet Macaulay or McAulay's father was Alexander Macaulay b. 21.8.1802 Govan. Married before 1824 Govan Glasgow and was still alive in 1839. Janet's mother was Elizabeth Scott b 20.9.1803 Govan alive in 1839.
Alexander's father was Andrew McAulay a labourer who married Janet Hamilton on 12.2.1794.
Elizabeth Scott's father was Andrew Scott a weaver who married Jane Robertson on 11.9.1798.
When you've confirmed you've got this message , if you are interested I'll see what else I've got. Rev Richard Jones' descendents were one John Jones and Hannah Goodwin. Your/my relative strongly suspected that the Goodwins were related to Bishop Goodwin and that we were related to the Bishop's brother a 'gentleman'. I have more on that stored somewhere and some pictures of them too. If this is correct that would be a picture of our something like 12x great grandfather.
In any case, I am grateful to that relative for firmly establishing as much as he has-it must have taken a great deal of effort, travel and expense 30 odd years ago! I'm sure by now he may have more-I'll ask my parents who are in touch.
Did you have much success since your last post in May?
Regards,
Rina
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Hi Rina
what a lot of info you have!! We went to Ruthin last year to find Owens birth and his parents, but couldn't find Richards parents!! Shame we didn't have contact before!! They are also my GGparents on Mum's side - Elizabeth. I also have contact with 2nd? cousin from Gertie who has been doing some family stuff as well, and another who is related to (I think) Joseph William Jones. Mum always said we had a famous rev in the family who she thought had been a missionary, we thought maybe this had been Richard - she also used to say we were related to Lord Macauley (the poet) which is something 2nd cousin also 'knew' about, but with no real info. Unfortunately his Mum has passed away and mine now has dementia so we can't get accurate info anymore. If only we'd listened to all the family stories Granny used to talk about!!!!!
Would love to meet up and exchange info with you, although I don't think I'd have anything you don't!!
Brilliant!!
Mary
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Hi Rina
When I used to go on Roots a lot last year there was a bit where you could send personal messages (and therefore e mail addresses) without everyone seeing it - do you know f they still do it? Can't find it on this bit.
Have just spoken to 2nd cousin who said he remembers Harriet & Ted's family. Are you related to Will, Maggie, Dolly (Edith), Robbie or Charley?.
Can you remember the name of the person who did all the research before, or which bit of the family he came from?
We have a couple of pics of Owen & Margaret taken at Belvedere in the garden, we went to see 'the old house' a couple of years ago, did you know it was a 'back-to-back house? We didn't. The chap who owns it was researching the history of the house so we sent him some copies of the pics we had.
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Hi Mary!
I didn't expect such a quick reply! Yes, I'm trying to work out the personal message bit but TBH I'm not finding the site v. easy to use so far. There is something in the personal message instructions about needing to send or post 3 messages before you can send a personal one. Not sure but I'm trying to think round this. Maybe if nec. to create Flickr/Facebook or similar. What UK area do you live in? I'm south west London. I have photos of my mum's photos and grandad's documents which he's saved from your relative.
The photo I have of Margaret is probably the same-there's 13 people in the photo-little Ethel is on Margaret's lap. Our relatives are either side of their brother Owen. Elizabeth is second from right at the back. My Great Grandma Harriett is third from left at the back. If it's the same photo I can give you the other names. I didn't know where it was taken so thank you for that. My grandfather was Will, (my Mum's dad). His proper name was Edward William Owen Brockman and his wife was Violet nee Shelton. Sadly they died late 70's and early 80's. Charlie died in the 70's I did meet him a few times-a lovely man. His wife is still in touch with my Mum. Of course my mum remembers them all much better than me as she knew them all well. Auntie Maggie had a farm in Kent near Silverstone- I remember camping there as a child. I think Rob ran a post office in Dartford as some point-family legend has it that schoolboy Mick Jagger and friends practiced their music in his shed!! But enough of that for now!
Do you know if Margaret and your Elizabeth's husbands were related? The relative who did all the research is related to one of them but not sure which. His name is Alan and my Mum was in touch with him in 2002.
I'll reply to the Richard Jones post separately.
Rina
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Hi Rina and Mary
Rina, you just need to do one more post here on the main forum and you can use the PM service :)
A quick and easy way to access the PM service is to click on either of your green scrolls which show under your names on the left hand side of posts. This will take you straight through to the PM screen. Works very much like an email account with in/outboxes. You can also click on someone's user name (also on the l/hand side) on their posts to take you to their personal profile which includes a link to the PM service.
If you look at the very top of the screen, you will see: Welcome back xxx, you have xx messages, x are new. Clicking on that takes you through to your own PMs.
Good luck with your research :)
Monica
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Re: Richard JONES!
Here are the details which I have, (courtesy of our relative via my grandfather). Richard JONES M.A. (Oxon) b 1757 married 7.11.1754 died 23.4.1814. Rector of Llanychan nr. Ruthin. Wife Grace JONES b 1761/2 buried at Llanychan 27.10.1826.
Richard's father was apparently one Richard JONES but I don't have birth/death dates. I do have a title beneath but it's all handwritten and I'm not sure what this means. Looks like corvirct of Ruthin. His wife is marked as Mary JONES. That Richard JONES', (corvirct?!) father is recorded sa John JONES and his wife is Hannah GOODMAN. (NOT Goodwin as I previously said)
I have a separate handwritten record of the GOODMANs, (that is to say that I have photos of original copies). This shows the father of Hannah GOODMAN as Richard GOODMAN, (I think 'only son' is written beneath), married to a Jane HUGHS (that's how it's spelt).
Richard's father is Syman GOODMAN (handwritten beneath poss 'eldest son' ?). Married to Alis ?
Syman's father is John GOODMAN 'Eldest son', looks like 'virginal maker' !! 'alive in 1455' married to Ann?
John's father is Godfrey GOODMAN 'Second Son Priest 1587 Alive in 1455' married to Alis? 'daugher of Hugh'
Godfrey's father is Gowan GOODMAN 1526 to 1604 of Ruthin, Gentleman married to Ellin GRIFFITH daughter of Thomas
Gowan's father was Edward GOODMAN 1477 to 22May 1560. Writing hard to read here but looks like 'Mercet, Bangis of Ruthin. Married to Cecily THEWALL 1494 to 4 Jan 158? 3/4
Edwards father was Thomas GOODMAN of Mault (?)
Cecilys father was Edward THEWALL married to Catherine ?
Gowan GOODMAN 1526 to 1604 (father to Godfrey), had a brother called Gabriel GOODMAN 1529 to 1601 Dean of Westminster aand another brother called Godfrey GOODMAN married to Jane CRUXTON (2nd wife). Their son was also called Godfrey GOODMAN 1583 to 1656, unmarried, Bishop of Gloucester.
Of course I have not confirmed any of this myself although I do know that the relative regularly wrote to my Grandfather to tell him of his travels and progress.
Re: the Macauley's. Firstly I think Margaret had a sister who might have moved to Canada. I remember as a teenager her granddaugher wrote to me but sadly the correspondance fizzled out, (due to my exam revision). I have her letters somewhere in the loft!
Also re: the poet Thomas Macauley, I have also heard this tale. It appears that everybody of my grandfathers generation was told this! There is some sort of mystery arising from some pages torn out of the family bible by my great great grandfather. A letter from my grandfather on the subject says 'it was destroyed in jealously' of his wife's family heritage but that so far nobody had proved the link. And that only the original owners name 'A&E Macauley' remain written in gold. Hmmmmm
I've just discovered more photocopied docs!
Bye for now!
Rina
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Thank you for that Monica :)