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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: mnj897 on Saturday 29 March 08 14:04 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help me to trace some information about the CRICHTON branch of my family, about which I have had very little luck in finding birth, marriage, death or census information (mostly using SP). A cousin of mine has provided a terrific start point with information from a family bible but I now seem to have reached a dead end.
The information I have is as follows:
Parents – Andrew CRICHTON and Elizabeth DAWSON
Children:
James Brodie Spottiswood CRICHTON b. 18 Feb 1842 in Turriff
Elizabeth Craigie CRICHTON b. 6 Mar 1844 in Turriff
Mary Dawson CRICHTON b. 5 Mar 1846 in Aberdeen, Alton (?) parish
?? Loban CRICHTON b. 18 Nov 1849 in Aberdeen, Alton (?) parish
Barbara Dawson CRICHTON b. 1 Mar 1852 in Aberdeen, Alton (?) parish
Ian CRICHTON b. 19 Jan 1855 in Aberdeen, Alton (?) parish
All of the above is from the family bible but no corroborating evidence on record so far. I’m not sure about the location or existence of Alton parish
Elizabeth Craigie CRICHTON married William BANNERMAN (a landed proprietor from Ceylon) at 13 Chapel Street, Aberdeen, in 1860 and sailed for Ceylon a year later. I have traced this marriage entry on SP.
Barbara Dawson CRICHTON (my great grandmother) married John IMRAY at Jessiefield, Newhills parish on 17 Nov 1871. She died on 27 Nov 1926 at Morningfield Hospital, Aberdeen (usual residence 7 Chapel Street, Aberdeen). I have traced both these occurrences on SP.
Any clues, snippets or pointers would be very gratefully received.
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Hi,
I found these on the IGI extracted entries:
Andrew Crichton married Elizabeth Dawson 21 Nov 1840 Old Machar, Aberdeen
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Andrew Crichton married Elizabeth Dawson 25 Nov 1840 Turriff
This means that the couple resided in different parishes and so the banns were proclaimed in both.
Also...Jane Lawson born 19 Jan 1855 Old Machar, Aberdeen...extracted entry.
I think that the location is probably Aulton (Old Town) better known as Old Aberdeen now part of Aberdeen city. It would I think have been within the parish of Old Machar http://www.rootschat.com/links/033n/
The name Aulton is commemorated in modern day places such as Aulton Court, Aulton Road and Aulton Football Pavilion.
Elaine
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Hi Elaine,
Thanks for that. The marriage entries from IGI certainly connect, but I'm not sure where the connection to Jane Lawson comes in.
The explanation for Alton also makes sense.
Regards,
mnj
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Sorry, getting you and myself confused :-[ Don't know where the Lawson came from ??? I'll blame my son for distracting me, he was chatting to me at the time :)
Should have said...I found an extracted entry for Jane CRICHTON, parents Andrew Crichton and Elizabeth Dawson, born 19 Jan 1855 Old Machar, Aberdeen. This would fit as the family are in Aulton at the time.
I noted that this is the same date as you have for Ian Crichton.
Elaine
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Elaine,
Thanks again. I haven't got an exact copy of the family bible page but my cousin may well have mistaken Jane for Ian if the handwriting is faded or otherwise difficult to read.
mnj
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hi mnj
on ancestry
1851 census - 13 chapel st. old machar aberdeen
andrew crichton 32 coachman born old pitsligo aberdeenshire
elizabeth wife 36 born huntly aberdeenshire
james son 9 born turriff abd.
elizabeth daug. 7 born turriff abd.
mary daug. 5 born old machar abd.
catherine daug. born old machar abd.
ev
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1861 census same address
andrew crichton 46 porter born(can't read?)
elizabeth wife 45 born(can't read ?)
catherine daug. 12 born aberdeen
barbara daug. 9 born aberdeen
jane daug. 6 born aberdeen
ev
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1871 same address
Crichton, Andrew 52, Street Porter, born Old Pitsligo
Crichton, Elizabeth, 57, Wife born Huntly
Crichton, Catherine, 21 Daughter born Aberdeen
Crichton, Jane, 15, Daughter born Aberdeen
Barmerman, (Bannerman?) William 12, Nephew born Aberdeen
Barmerman, (Bannerman?) Mary J 9, Niece born Strichen
Elaine
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hi all
possible on IGI
andrew chrighton(?) born 27th august 1818 , baptised 25th september 1818
pitsligo
parents james chrighton and catherine cobbon
ev
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Everyone,
Thanks ever so much - you've given me more information in a couple of hours that I've managed to glean in weeks!!
Interesting one from ev about Andrew Crichton's parents - I'm almost sure that Cobbon should read Connon and this would explain why that name crops up as a forename 3 generations later.
Also, I suspect that the 2 Bannerman children in the 1871 census were actually offspring of Elizabeth left behind when she departed for Ceylon.
Thanks again,
mnj
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hi all
1881 census - same address
andrew criGhton age 63 street porter born new deer abd.
eliza wife age 66 born huntly abd.
catherine daug. age 31 unmarried dressmaker born old machar abd.
jane daug. 20 unmarried dressmaker born old machar abd.
william bannerman lodger 20 wireworker born old machar abd.
lizzie bannerman visitor 5 born newhills abd.
ev
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William James Bannerman b.02 Jul 1865 to William Bannerman and Eliza Crighton, Old Machar, Aberdeen - same birth registered in Newhills same day.. (mmh....... just read your post re the sailing back to Ceylon in 1861. Do you know if they came back - this was the only entry I could find on the IGI - extracted.
Regarding 'mitchells' post - you 'must' get that entry from SP due to the amount of info on the cert. "Should have said...I found an extracted entry for Jane CRICHTON, parents Andrew Crichton and Elizabeth Dawson, born 19 Jan 1855 Old Machar".
Regards, Steve :O)
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They must have come back from Ceylon as:
Born to William Bannerman and Eliza /Eliza Craigie Crighton
William James Bannerman 02 Jul 1865, Newhills , Aberdeen (above)
Alfred Alexander Bannerman b. 25 Jul 1868, Newhills
George Murray Bannerman b. 28 Jul 1870, Newhills
Charles Crighton Bannerman b. 18 jan 1873 Newhills
Even more certs to buy now :O)
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Hello - from the SP
You searched for: Surname: "Crighton"; Use Soundex: Off; Forename: "Elizabeth*"; Other Surname: "Dawson"; Sex: "Both"; Year From: 1855; Year To: 1930;
Only one in Scotland in that period - for the parameters above.
1890 CRIGHTON ELIZABETH DAWSON F 77 ABERDEEN OLD MACHAR ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/02 0822 VIEW
Seems that your Elizabeth Dawson - married to Andrew Crighton died in 1890, aged 77. Makes her born 1813. Her death entry will take you back to the 1700's :O)
Got to run - work to do ...........
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I think you're right Piglet :)
1871 Census Jessiefield, Newhills
Bannerman, William 51, Farmer of 60 Acres, born Fraserburgh
Bannerman, Eliza 27 Wife born Turriff
Bannerman, William J 5 Son, born Aberdeen
Bannerman, Alfred A 2, Son, born Newhills
Bannerman, George M 8 months, Son born Newhills
CRICHTON, BARBARA 19, Domestic Servant born Aberdeen
Murray, George 29, Farm Servant born Rathven
Paterson, Jessie 23 Dairymaid born Newhills
Still, George 12 Farm Servant born Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire
Elaine
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James Brodie Spottiswood Crighton b.18 Feb 1842. aroused my interest due to the name.
So off on to the SP. Searched for a marriage in Aberdeenshire from 1860 to 1880. Likely marriage?
James Crighton age 36 married on 02 June 1868, in Newhills to Jane G Christie.
His father is Andrew Crichton, mother Elizabeth Crichton (M.S. Dawson)
Her father James Christie (Blacksmith) mother Margaret Christie (M.S.?????)
Have attached snapshot. Poor quality.
So with this info - off onto the IGI which brings up 3 children to this couple.
(Mother is down on all 3 extracted records as Jane Gordon Christie)
Andrew James Crichton b. 17 Apr 1869, St Nicholas, Aberdeen
Jane Gordon Crichton b. 30 Nov 1870, St Nicholas, Aberdeen
John Munro Crichton b. 17 Dec 1872 Lesmahagow, Lanark, Scotland
Good luck with your searching. :O)
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Hi everyone,
I had a look at the marriage cert. and I think that Jane's mothers maiden name could be Simpson.
Elaine
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hi all
elaine - i agree simpson :)
had a look on igi for margaret simpson and nothing coming up
had a look at the cert. think it's mary simpson
there is a jane christie born 1841 aberdeenshire who might be her
but have to check the census for sure
and it's getting a bit late so i'll leave it there
ev
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Jane Crichton born Jan 19 1855 - at 13 Chapel Street, Aberdeen
Parents Andrew Crichton 35 yrs, Porter, Born Old Pitsligo. Married Old Meldrum 1840. Mother Elizabeth Crichton maiden surname Dawson, 39 year ??????, Huntly.
Got to run - work calls. :O) extract sent to mnj897.....
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hi all
jane gordon christie baptised 6th november 1841 st nicholas aberdeen
parents james christie and mary simpson(IGI)
ev
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All,
Thanks again for all you expert sleuthing - I've certainly now got many more leads than I had.
I managed to find Andrew Crichton's death entry on SP which threw up a couple of interesting snippets:
He died in a fire in the Market Building in Aberdeen on 29 Apr 1882 - so far I've not managed to find any archive info on the fire.
On his death entry his father is given as James Crichton, farm overseer and mother as Catherine Cooper. However, there is an RCE which gives his mother as Catherine Cobban. So that knocks out my theory of her maiden name being Connon (see earlier reply).
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Hi mnj,
As you have the date of Andrew Crichton's death, you should be able to get a copy of the article covering the fire in the local papers of the time...I'm sure there will be something. Contact the Local Studies staff at Aberdeen City Libraries http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f8/ they should be able to send a photocopy for a small charge.
Good luck
Elaine
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Hi Mitchell,
Hopefully you will pick up this comment as the bulk of the previous posts are in 2008! My family name is Bannerman and I can add some information on the children mentioned i.e. William and Mary - Jane. They were children of John and Barbara Bannerman. Barbara's maiden surname was Dawson presumably a sister of Elizabeth Dawson. John and Barbara were married 17th June 1858 - three months before the birth of William! John was a brother of William Bannerman - the one who was described as a landed proprietor in Ceylon. I note from your posts that you ascertained that he had returned to Ceylon. Can you remember how you established this?
A few months ago I was in Aberdeen and visited Jessiefield(mentioned in various posts) which was a farm on the outskirts of Aberdeen. Originally it was a piggery but the present tenant runs it as a storage facility mostly. I took some pictures if that would be of interest.
Regards
Jivebunny
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This is hopefully still an active thread , I have both Bannerman ,Crichton(or Crighton ?) in our family tree, My Grandfather was William Rettie Tough born Feb 5 1908 Chilliwack BC Canada His mother was Bathia Bannerman Tough born 1873 New Pitsligo, her mother and father were James Bannerman born 1824 in Strichen and Mary Crichton born Aug 4 1832 Lonmay they married June 6th 1870 I also have your Andrew Crighton and Elizabeth Dawson with her birth being 1844 or is this all wrong now?? I just started this search this summer and am very new at the Family Tree investigating . I am a bit confused as to where the name Crichton became Crighton and even Creighton? In an 1851 census it has her father as Creighton , on another finding i thought I was looking for a Crichton ,but the evidence came up with Crighton , she was married 3 times , the first to a Alexander Begg,1852 , then to William Rettie 1855, and finally to James Bannerman 1870.
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Hi Melsimba,
I'm interested in the details for Bathia Bannerman. I have her married to George Tough in 1902, but after then no information. Did they emigrate to Canada?
James Bannerman who you mentioned married Eliza Crichton in 1870 having previously been married to Eizabeth Winchester who possibly died around 1860 though I've not found her death record. James was a brother of my great grandfather William Bannerman and he was killed in a rock fall in a quarry on the outskirts of New Pitsligo!
Regards
Jivebunny
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My grandfathers mother Bathia Bannerman was born Sept 1 ,1873 Aberdeen County . It has been questioned as to whether her first born Alexander was of a different father , I have no date of his birth ,only that he was born in Aberdeen, (My Nana did research in the late 70's and did not know herself so it has been an uncertainty ever since ) . They were married July 10 1902 , and after that they moved to Chilliwack BC on Oct 4 1903, I am still looking for the ship passenger list
There second child George was born Feb 2 1904, Mary (or Marie) was born Sept 18 1905, My grandfather William Rettie was born Feb 5 1908. And on June 22 1912 their 5 th child Bathia (Beth) was born , but tragically Bathia died soon after her daughters birth , George decided to return to Scotland , He decided to leave Alexander in Canada ,and the infant Beth was placed in the care of the Robert Hamilton family on a neighboring farm . George , along with the remaining children went back to Scotland for quite a few years, then came back to Canada , but only bringing his son George with him , my grandfather William and his sister Mary (Marie) returned at a later date. George died in Vancouver BC June 24 1926 , both Bathia , George and other members of our family including my grandfather are buried in the Odd Fellows Cemetery in Rosedale near Chilliwack BC.
You have James marrying Eliza , , but I believe its Mary ?
I have Eliza as being married to your Gr Grandfather William in 1860??
I would love to know more about this line of Bannermans , I could only go as far back as John Bannerman who married Elizabeth Robb May 6 1792 , But I can not get any information on them or past them .
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Hello Jivebunny
Ref. your being unable to find a death entry for Elizabeth Winchester. her death entry is available to download from the offical govt website (ppv), at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
1860 BANNERMAN ELIZABETH WINCHESTER WINCHESTER F 41 NEW PITSLIGO /ABERDEEN 227/0B 0034
Regards, Steve
:)
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1. ii. Archibald BUTTER was born 8 Nov 1768, was christened 17 Nov 1768 in Moulin, PER, SCT, and died 3 Jul 1805. He married Vere MENZIES 7 Jun 1803 in Weem, PER, SCT, daughter of Robert MENZIES and Catherine OCHILTREE. She died Jan 1847.
This family is in the Crichtoun lineage also.
There are living descendants of the Butters....I am researching for another person so it is a bit difficult but they are requesting LIVING ancestors of this couple and I think they may be in the Perth area, but I am not sure...How can I find the living ancestors of today ? one of the children go into the Murray line but I don't know how to recover the names of the now living ...can you all advise me ?
The original Duncan Ochiltree was in North Caroline from Argylle or Glasgow in 1739 but went back to Scotland ..
Thanks..
Lurose
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There is an open "Butter Family Tree Forum " on Geneology.com , you might hook up with a living member there?
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Thank you so much for the information. I will look...
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for the info on Elizabeth Bannerman(Winchester). I've taken a copy of Death Certificate - can't understand how I didn't have this one before!
Regards
Jivebunny
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Hi Melsimba,
Thanks for your recent post. Senior moment - you're absolutely right regarding James Bannerman's second wife - it was Mary Chrichton(Rettie). I have her date of birth as 4th August 1832 though I can't recall where I got this information.
You have gone back as far as I have in the Bannerman line originating in Fraserburgh. I hope to visit this area some time in the not too distant future in the hope that locally held information might be available.
Regards
Jivebunny
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Your welcome , and its quite alright, I would be interested in what other information you can dig up on your trip,
Thank you again Melanie
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hi all :)
i have bannerman's from fraserburgh(c1800)
when i have time i'll have a look my info.
ev
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Thats great , I would very much look forward to knowing what you have as well! . It is as though I am finding long lost relatives . If you have any photo's I would love to see them too. Thank you Melanie
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my line is james bannerman married jean cardno(married 1785 fraserburgh)
peter bannerman born 1781 fraserburgh(born before the marriage but jean cardno is noted as his mother on the death certificate :-\ )
married catherine milne
jane bannerman born 1817 fraserburgh married james ritchie in 1839
the family lived at sinclair hills fraserburgh
ev
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Could be ?? But I have not been able to go that far back with detailed dates ,marriages , births , ect , I try going onto "ScotlandsPeople web site , and I am embarrassed to say but I can not figure it out :-[ . I have gotten as far as John Bannerman ( no birth date ) marrying Elizabeth Robb on May 6 1792 . Your James Bannerman , Peter ,and Jane might be sisters or brothers of mine some where in the line , but I would need to get over this brick wall I have hit .
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I have a William Bannerman 1792 born Fraserburgh, son of John Bannerman and Margaret Robb according to the death. Should this be Elizabeth?
Barbara
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Well mabey ? , John and Elizabeth Robb were married May 6 th 1792..........I have tried to get history on your Margaret , but I need more time , Can you give me a bit more of your names and dates ?
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I only have his death record to go by. The OPR only has him as being born or baptised 30/11/1792 father John. His death has him the son of John Bannerman and Margaret Robb. He died in 1875 at Newhills but lived mostly at Entryhead, Strichen.
I am actually mostly interested in the nephew James Dyce who is living with him in 1851 so I am trying to trace brothers and sisters of William to work out who he was (sister most likely) although he may come off his wife Janet Shand's side.
Barbara
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It seems all the dates are correct for William Bannerman , ........on what site did you find the Margaret? .........I have another twist for you , I have your Janet Shand also in my findings .......but I have her down as a Jean Shand ?!?!?....and I found James Dyce in a census 1851 as living with William Bannerman .....this is all very interesting ......... I'll have to pull some late nights and get back into my research .........thank you . please tell me what other information you have my lines are Tough , Forbes , Bannerman , Critchton (or Crighton )., Shand , Robb ,Thow ,
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On Scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Do you have brothers and sisters for him?
She was Jean or Jane in the census and yes, the 1851 is where we pick up James. He went to South Africa but we are trying to find his parents.
He married Ann Birnie who was living in Strichen also in 1851. This is not my line but I am doing this in exchange for some findings somebody in Canada did for me. But as you prob know you get hooked in whether they are yours or not.
Barbara
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OH , sorry ! well your doing a fine job . My Grandfather William Tough had a search done back in 1950 in Edinburgh Scotland by a company called "Scots Ancestry Research Society " .........They wrote of another birth from the John Bannerman and Elizabeth Robb marriage , a son called James who was born on April 18 th 1806 , This and William are the only ofspring as far as I know .
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Yes I saw James but I really need a daughter to marry a Dyce but can't find one anywhere. I did find a William Dyce dying at Entryhead in 1838 and an Mary Shand dying in the village of Strichen in 1839 so these are possibles for James' parents. Women were in the death records in their maiden name mostly. There would be many other Bannerman children, just not recorded worse luck.
So where do you fit into this family?
Barbara
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I think that might be all , unless thee was an illegitimate child some where, ......My line has one and trying to find any thing is hard work. ......my Gr , Gr Grandfather was James Bannerman . son of William ( the one we have been discussing ) , his second wife was Mary Crighton ( This was to be her third marriage ) between the two of them they had 5 children one being Bathia my grandfathers mother . melanie
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Hi Melanie,
There would be several more, they just didn't make it into the parish records :-\ I have just found a Mary, daughter of John Bannerman and Elizabeth Robb who married a Kenneth Mackenzie and died in Invernesshire in 1857 aged 59 years. She would be a sister. But as William was 1792 and James was 1808 there would be others.
Barbara
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How did you find the Mary ?.....was it under the name of your Margaret Robb......you have more access to information than I do .........no wonder this has been difficult :-\..........how does your friend fit into this family ?.....I would love to know what other information you have so maybe I could fill in some more gaps
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Hi Melanie,
Well Scotlandspeople.gov.uk costs but it is where you can find all the parish records that have survivied. In the death search you can put in mother's maiden name and I put in Robb and surname being Bannerman and up she came. Many women are under their maiden name in the records too so although she was married to McKenzie she came up under the Bannerman search. That was the only one tho. Cost me all of about £2
The lady from Canada is descended through James Dyce the nephew so I am not making much headway there.
Barbara
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What else would you like to find out. I have really only followed them on the census and found a few marriages for your James' siblings. And found deaths for William and Jean/Jane
Barbara
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HA .....it would seem I am married to an original true Cheap Scotsman !!!.2$ is even too much . But I am gettting some bits of information here and there , so that keeps me going . I am hoping to get past the brick wall of 1739 , ......that is where my work halts . and now the confusion with the names makes me wonder about the information I have already found :-\....................
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Only way to be sure you have the right people down the line! If I can help in any way please let me know.
Barbara :)
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Thank you , I might take you up on the offer . :)
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Hi there, I am also looking for James Dyce, the nephew, b. 1838ish... It is not my line, but I have many Dyce in my line and was contacted by a Judy from South Africa who is a descendant of said James. She has his death certificate (5 Aug 1911), which lists his father as Alexander Dyce, but has no other information about his parents, and has been searching for a long time, so I offered to help her out.....
I was wondering if you had made any headway in finding James' parents, and if not, does the father's name of Alexander help? I have searched for several weeks and although I have gotten back as far as you seem to have (John Bannerman m Elizabeth Robb), it has not helped in finding James' parents...
If you have any new info I'd love to hear it...
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When & where did James Dyce marry Ann Birnie? The information on a marriage certificate usually is more reliable than a death certificate.What age was given in 1911? Did James emigrate before 1861 census?
Has anyone viewed the original 1851 census? In freecen his age is 18, which I thought was too old to be a scholar! In ancestry, his age was 12. In the 1841 census there is a James Bannerman age 2. I wondered if that could be that same person. I haven't come across a James Bannerman in later censuses & it could explain why James Dyce couldn't be found before 1851.
Regards,
flst
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I'll just list the answers to your questions, it will be simpler...
James Dyce 23 Bachelor, Carpenter, Grahamstown
married 3 Mar 1862
Ann Strachan Birnie 25 Spinster
in S.A. (found on geneologyworld.net, entry #25
I have not seen the actual record, it has been transcribed...
When he died his age was listed as 72. Father's name was also listed as Alexander..
He must have emigrated between 1851 (last time he was seen on U.K. census) and 1862, when he got married in S.A.
No, I have not seen the original 1851 census.
On the freecen 1851 census, where it says 18, I believe is a transcribing error and should read 12...
I am 99% sure the James Bannerman listed on the 1841 census is the same James...
Ashley
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What a pity they didn't marry in Scotland! I suppose that if it was a family member that registered the death of James, they would surely get his dad's name correct. Is it coincidence that Ann's dad was also Alexander? I cannot find an Alexander Dyce in the vicinity in 1841. :(
Regards,
flst
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Actually, I hadn't searched Ann's parents yet, so thanks for that info, ha ha. I am telling you, I have searched every website I can think of and I cannot find an Alexander Dyce that fits the bill, it's been very frustrating... Tried to think of every reason a father would abandon his child, like death, mental illness etc... searched birth records, death records, immigration records, and nothing...
The only option I think is to figure out exactly how James is related, and then hope that it can be connected to his parents... I have many James and Alexanders in my own line but cannot find any connection....
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Sorry, I meant how James is related to the Bannermans...
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Link to marriage record transcription for James Dyce m Ann Birnie
#25
http://www.genealogyworld.net/ellen/opr/Grahamstown-1560913-Item10.htm
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He married Ann Birnie who was living in Strichen also in 1851.
I have assumed that this Birnie family, also living at Entryhead, was the one Barbara referred. Alex, 55, Barbara,52, Ann,15,William 13. I have not checked to see if this is the right Ann. Maybe Barbara will be able to confirm?
flst
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Ok, well until you mentioned that Ann's father was named Alexander, I had searched for the Birnies in Aberdeenshire, but wasn't sure which family was hers... So if you are sure that her father's name is Alexander, then yes, I am certain that that family you mentioned is the right one, they are found on both the 1841 and 1851 censuses:
Alexander 44/55
Barbara 40/52
Thomas 14/not on 1851 census
Ann 5/15
William 3/13
But you mentiond that the family was "also living at Entryhead".... where do you see that? I'm not seeing that anywhere on the censuses, all I see is that they are living in Strichen, Aberdeenshire, like Barbara said....
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Can you tell me where you have viewed the censuses? I found them on freecen.
Look for Alexr Birnie.SCT1851/241Strichen Enumeration District 5 Folio 180 page 15 Schedule 54.
Hope this helps,but as I said before, Barbara would know if this is the correct family.
flst
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Ya, I found them on freecen too, had just never looked at the address part of it, now I see where you got the "entryhead" word.... On the 1841 census the address is listed as Blackmoss.
I agree, we really need Barbara to confirm, bit busy today, but will send her a message in the next few days if she doen't come back to this board.... Don't want to bug her, but she seems to know much more than I do, and I'd love to hear what she's got....
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My grandmother was descended from the nephew, James Dyce (1839 - 1911) who moved to Grahamstown, South Africa and married Ann Strachan Birnie. My grandmother did a bit of research when she was younger and I have a bit to go on... James' father was Alexander Dyce who was born 22 March 1816 and, according to an obituary we have, died at Meaford on the 4th November 1887. My grandmother always assumed that Meaford was in Scotland, but other websites I have been to show that Alexander Dyce moved to Meaford, Ontario, Canada and married Elizabeth Strachan there.
Could you let me know if this makes sense and it starts to piece together more of the story??
Mary-Anne
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Hi there,
Not sure where to start, this James Dyce is so complicated... First of all, I am also on the "Dyce Ok, am way confused" thread, so I saw that gemachin responded to you... This gemachin helped me a long time ago, so when I had a hunch that maybe that Alexander could be James' father, I wrote to her and she told me the same thing she told you: no way.....
But... I think that he MAY be the same person... Yes, Meaford is in Canada, and he came here in his 30s and married and had 3 kids as she says... but.... he was in Scotland at the time that James was born, and if you look at the 1841 census, where James is living with the Bannermans in Strichen, he is listed, along with his brother as an ag. lab., working on a farm in Rathen, only 7 kilometers from where James is living... and 1838 when James was born would make him 20, a very good baby-making age... (pure speculation, but...) so I have recently started thinking that this may indeed be the right Alexander...
So I'd like to know how exactly you came to find out that Alexander was the Alexander b. 1816 d. 1887? Do you know this for certain, or?
Ashley
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Hi,
Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty overwhelmed - very new to this genealogy research! I'm afraid that all I have to go on is the research my grandmother did in the 60's and an obituary for Alexander Dyce (1816 - 1887). However, she didn't reference the information so I'm not sure exactly where she got the information from. She seemed pretty certain though that he was the father of James who came over to Grahamstown, South Africa, and as she actually lived in Grahamstown and conducted the research there as a student (they have excellent archives there) I'm loath to doubt her. James' daughter Helen Judith was her grandmother and she probably confirmed this information with the family too. I would have to contact people in Grahamstown who have access to further records to see if I can get my hands on some actual records to prove that Alexander was James' father, but for now I'm still going to take it as truth.
It'll be interesting trying to solve this so please let me know if you have any other information!!
mary-Anne
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hello Barbara , in your findings , did you happen to come across any more on Elizabeth Robb , or John Bannerman ? maybe their birth years or parents names ?? Thank you Melanie
Hi Melanie,
There would be several more, they just didn't make it into the parish records :-\ I have just found a Mary, daughter of John Bannerman and Elizabeth Robb who married a Kenneth Mackenzie and died in Invernesshire in 1857 aged 59 years. She would be a sister. But as William was 1792 and James was 1808 there would be others.
Barbara
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:-[ sorry about that !!.........wrong button ..........Barbara . I still hope you can respond . Thanx Melanie
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Hello ,
I have re-read this whole chat and would love to know if anyone has linked my John Bannerman 1770 ? Fraserburgh to any of the other Bannermans born around that area of Fraserburgh between 1765 -1785 ?? .
John married Elizabeth Robb in 1792 and from what I have found in a Rathen cemetary , John ,Elizabeth and their son James B 1806 all died within 2 years between 1823 and 1825 , but can not find any death information on any of this to prove it .