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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: john macey on Friday 28 March 08 15:40 GMT (UK)
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In the hope that someone can help I post a message tried before to no avail.
I am looking for some further information about my James Rainsford, particularly required is both his birth and death details!
His father is believed to have been a one John Rainsford, possibly Irish.
He first turned up when a relationship appears to have been forged with my Maria Macey, nee Polden, a widow with two sons from Chilmark in Wiltshire. It is possible that Maria married James Rainsford although no marriage can be found. Certainly it is known that Rainsford married a Ann Sterling in London in 1851.
James Rainsford was recorded as being a Fishing Tackle Maker. Maria gave birth to his son George who was born at the Liberty of Saffron Hill circa 1849.
Maria called herself Rainsford from that time until her death in 1882.
She and her Macey sons and the son George Rainsford all learned the Fishing Tackle trade.
The last 'heard' of James was on the record of the birth of James John Rainsford to Ann Sterling in 1852 at The Coppice Row Workhouse. He and Ann were married in 1851 so we are not sure why the birth took place at the workhouse although she had previously given birth there earlier to a son by James who died a few days after birth.
Since 1852 there have been no record of him.
If anyone comes across his death or etc I would be pleased to hear from them.
John Macey
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Have you found him on any census at all, if so can you tell us which ones.
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Have you found him on any census at all, if so can you tell us which ones.
No census entries found so far. When he married Ann Sterling in 1851 they were both living Liverpool Street.
The Marriage registration Cert for his son s Marriage in 1869 showed him as a Fishing Tackle Maker but no proof he was actually there at the time.
In both 1861 and 1871 census Ann Rainsford was shown as a widow.
John
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Possibles
ADELAIDE RAINSFORD
Birth: 16 FEB 1847
Christening: 22 FEB 1847 Workhouse Chapel, Saint Marylebone, London
Father: JAMES RAINSFORD
Mother: MARY
ALBERT RAINSFORD
Birth: 16 FEB 1847
Christening: 22 FEB 1847 Workhouse Chapel, Saint Marylebone, London
Father: JAMES RAINSFORD
Mother: MARY
Deaths Mar 1847
Rainsford Adelaide Marylebone 1 226
and who are
Deaths Jun 1854
Rainsford William Joseph Clerkenwell 1b 317
Births Sep 1855
Rainsford Florence Alma Clerkenwell 1b 438
Regards
Valda
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i'm learning that rainsford wasn't an uncommon name. i have a john henry rainsford in my tree born in the mid-late 1860's. i was told that he may have been born in ireland. he had a son, francis also went by frank, around 1905. he would be my great-grandfather. frank's daughter is my grandmother. i don't know how to send a msg here yet but if you could contact me somehow, may we can help each other out.
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Hi
The latest English census available puts John Henry and family in Toxteth Liverpool.
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so this is the 1911 census then?
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so this is the 1911 census then?
Yes. ;D
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how were you able to get that info? when i googled 1911 british census, all i got was a site where i'd have to buy credits to view anything. i did see him & it looks like a son w/ the same name listed but that was it.
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Yes I have a sub to the site where you can view it or you can buy credits as well.
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Hi
You cannot at present ask for lookups for the 1911 census on Rootschat. You must search the census for yourself.
http://www.1911census.co.uk/
also see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355485.0.html
and
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
Regards
Valda
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thank you all for your help. :)
valda, thanks for those links. i'm new to this site so i hope my post was ok.
is there a site to look up death records in england? maybe i can fill in some more blanks that way.
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Hi
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Volunteers are transcribing the civil registration index
this tells you how far they have got
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml
Ancestry a subscription website has the civil registration index up to 2005
You can often access Ancestry through libraries or Ancestry offers a two week free trial
Regards
Valda
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i hate to keep asking so many questions but.....
how accurate is the bmd record? i found john henry rainsford. the year looks about right (my grandmom said he died b4 she was born) but the age is about 10 years off. unless my math is. he was listed as 45 for the apr-june 1924 record but he was born in 1869. if he was 45 as stated, he'd have been born in 1879.
also i found his wife, ann, listed in the jul-sept 1914 record but there was someone listed under her. does that mean they're related? the district is different though.
rainsford, ann 39 toxteth p. 8b 270
--john t. o aston 6d 534
my 1st thought was that since john is listed as 0, that she & he died in childbirth.
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Hi
This man died in Hertfordshire with the initals John H M
Deaths Jun 1924 Rainsford John H M 45 Hertford 3a 725
Births Dec 1878 Rainsford John Henry M Pancras 1b 182
His name was John Henry Metcalfe Rainsford.
Memories especially over time aren't necessarily always accurate
Deaths Jun 1935
Rainsford John H 68 Liverpool S. 8b 91
Died 4th June 1935. He was of 4 Greta Street. He left a will.
(Though it iss a guide to wills in London the first two sections of this guide on wills on the Rootschat London and Middlesex board is relevant to all wills in England and Wales post 1858)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403342.0.html
Toxteth Park registration district is in Liverpool. Aston registration is in Birmingham.
The mother's maiden name is included in the birth index from part way through 1911 onwards
Births Jun 1912
Rainsford Catherine Field Toxteth P. 8b 342
Births Mar 1914
RAINSFORD Arthur Field Toxteth P 8b 336
Deaths Mar 1914
RAINSFORD Arthur 0 Toxteth P 8b 337
On the Rootschat beginners board is a guide to civil registration and censuses. It won't answer every question but it might help.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,428062.0.html
Regards
Valda
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what's your opinion on her death record?
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it says that there's nothing online after 1858. how did you see that he had a will? please chalk this up to a lack of coffee & me searching from across the pond. (do they still say that?)
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Hi
I wrote the guide so I know it doesn't quite say that
'Ancestry has the England & Wales, NATIONAL PROBATE CALENDAR (http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1904) (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941 indexed online with some gaps for the years 1863, 1868, 1873, 1876, 1877, 1883, 1888, 1899-1903 and 1910-1911.'
The death registration would be consistent with the details of Ann taken from a free search of the 1911 census.
Regards
Valda
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thanks. i wish i was there to look up all this stuff in the books. it would make it much easier! i'm trying to get at least basic info. i've mostly been using the mormon geneology site. it has an extensive collection of info! i was able to trace a branch on my father's side back to 1020 in england! i thought that was pretty cool!
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Hi
On that website since it has a lot of member submission entries from Mormon church members you often can trace your line back that far and sometimes even as far as Adam and Eve! All member submission records should be treated with care and the information checked with actual records.
Regards
Valda