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Title: what is a master artificer????
Post by: greenvalley on Thursday 27 March 08 18:08 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I found John Easson (1715-1790), master artificer, who was commissioned by the Board of Ordinance in London and sent to serve in Annapolis Royal in 1737.

So what did he do?

Greenvalley
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: Sandierose on Thursday 27 March 08 18:12 GMT (UK)
Hi

An Artificer was a military mechanic who carried out repairs.

Sandie
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: greenvalley on Thursday 27 March 08 18:13 GMT (UK)
thank you Sandie
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 27 March 08 22:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

An Artificer was a military mechanic who carried out repairs.

Sandie

He was attached to the ordnance, artillery, and engineer service, to be employed in the construction of military materials as well as repairs.

Stan
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: Mum44 on Thursday 27 March 08 22:38 GMT (UK)

Engine Room Artificers in the Royal Navy today repair and maintain engines - they don't have to build them, not now.
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 27 March 08 22:53 GMT (UK)
The reference was to a  a soldier mechanic not a a mechanic in the Royal Navy. As far as I am aware there were no artificers in the Royal Navy in the 18th Century as the ships did not have engines only sails :)


Stan
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: greenvalley on Friday 28 March 08 16:31 GMT (UK)
Thanks guys,

I take it that if he was a Master artificer, he was heading the outfit??

Greenvalley
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: stanmapstone on Friday 28 March 08 22:42 GMT (UK)
Just to add that at that time an Artificer or Artificier made fire-works or worked in the artillery laboratory, preparing fuses, bombs, grenades etc. The name was also applied to military smiths, collar makers etc. and to a particular corps.
From "A New and Enlarged Military Dictionary", 1805
I would assume that a Master Artificer would be a senior position similar to a Master Gunner etc.
Stan

Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: Little Nell on Friday 28 March 08 23:12 GMT (UK)
I've been looking in a book on naval records at TNA and while it does not give a definition of artificer per se, I get the impression that an artificer was a master craftsman.  (In fact I have an 18th century relative, from a shipwright family, who is mentioned in the Artificer's Records of Deptford Naval Dockyard.)  In the 18th century, artificers (civilian officers appointed by the Navy Board) could be warranted as inferior officers at sea.  This would have included such craftsmen as sailmakers, caulkers, ropemakers and coopers.  This practice died out in the 19th century.

Description books of Artificers 1748-1830 are held in class ADM106.

But since he was appointed by the Board of Ordnance, as Stan says, his line of work involved a bit more destruction than construction.   ;)

Nell
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: greenvalley on Saturday 29 March 08 11:12 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all of you.

John Easson was stationed at the Fort in Annapolis, so him making fireworks, presumably to fight the French, makes perfect sense now.

Thanks for your help.

Greenvalley
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: kimpy69 on Sunday 18 August 19 00:09 BST (UK)
Can anyone confirm whether he was born in Scotland or England?
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: barryd on Sunday 18 August 19 03:43 BST (UK)
Is this him?

https://memoryns.ca/easson-family-fonds
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 18 August 19 07:31 BST (UK)
A "Tiffy!" in naval parlance?

Skoosh.
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: kimpy69 on Sunday 18 August 19 20:33 BST (UK)
Yes, that is the same John Easson, but I have found conflicting reports of his birthplace. I’m thinking that perhaps he was born in Scotland but was living in England at the time he was sent to Annapolis, NS by the British.  Someone has him listed as the John Eason born in England in 1715 but was christened in 1711. That doesn’t make sense to me. I was just wondering if anyone else has any information (family trees, etc) that may confirm my suspicions.
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: greenvalley on Monday 23 September 19 14:42 BST (UK)
The information I found on John Easson was that he was from Scotland, as was his wife Avis.

They were engaged in Scotland and she came over later to Nova Scotia marry him.

Here is a website about the family

https://novascotia.ca/archives/easson/
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: Northumberland daughter on Wednesday 18 December 19 19:10 GMT (UK)
Hi, aside from some fantasy-game personality, the dictionary said an artifice is/are clever or cunning devices or expedients, especially as used to trick or deceive others.
"the style is not free from the artifices of the period"
Presumably, then, someone gets to be a master of this hideous hobby... not to be judgemental...
Northumberland Daughter
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: CarolA3 on Thursday 19 December 19 05:33 GMT (UK)
Have you read any of the previous replies?

Carol
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: Skoosh on Thursday 19 December 19 09:59 GMT (UK)
A bit early for the sherry?  ;D
Skoosh.
Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: greenvalley on Thursday 19 December 19 11:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Northumberland daughter

Artifice is also defined by Miriam Webster as "Clever or artful skill" not sure what's hidious about that.

Meanwhile Cambridge Dictionary gives the meaning of Artificer as a "skilled mechanic in the armed forces" in modern useage and the archeic meaning as a "skilled craftsman or inventor" Still see nothing hideous there.

Hope this helps a bit. :)

Happy Christmas  ;) ;)

Greenvalley

Title: Re: what is a master artificer????
Post by: Northumberland daughter on Thursday 19 December 19 12:29 GMT (UK)
Hello, I guess I should have let that one go.  Googled the words and delivered what I got - nope, I'm not on the sauce.  Google maps are often wrong, too.  Best of the Season to you. ND