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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: CityTID on Monday 24 March 08 11:35 GMT (UK)
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Hi I'm a newbie - I'm hoping to get lots of advice from you lot.
My Grandma recently passed away & I felt it was an appropriate time to attempt my tree.
I have hit a stubbling block somewhat.
Great Great Great Granfather - George Rylah was born c.1846 he married a lady called Ruth nee UNKNOWN. They had 5 - Ernest Rylah (My Great Great Grandfather), Martha Ann, John Dews (possibly mothers maiden name), Frank, Sarah Ethel.
In 1851 he is listed as a visitor in the Rylah household with his Grandparents.
In 1861 George Rylah was living with his Grandparents George & Ann Rylah according to the census.
No mention of his parents at all. On either census.
How would I go about trying to find out who his parents were? He may be an orphan? I dont know. but presumably if they did die it would be between 1846 (georges birth dat and 1851 when he was listed as a visitor.)
Sorry I know it's an essay, but I need help, I'm scared I'll struggle too much & end up giving up entirely!
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Hi CityTID :D
Welcome to Rootschat! If you need help you've come to the right place...and you can forget about giving up at the first hurdle! This game never lets you give up!!!! Sorry to hear about your grandma, it's often the way that it takes the loss of the older members of our family to spur us into finding out about our past.
First things first: do you have a marriage certificate for George RYLAH and Ruth? Seems not...that would be the place to start if you want their fathers' names (and her maiden name). You might get lucky and find some other family members were witnesses, too.
What area of the UK are we talking about?
Cheers
Prue
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Hi .... WELCOME TO ROOTSCHAT ;D
ok heres a quick add.....Ruth Dews married George Rylah Dewsberry 1867.
Now we need Georges birth cert details ...off to look.
Tazzie
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Hi CityTid
Welcome to roots,
Are you talking about the Geoge Rylah born in Yorkshire
ricky
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Hi .... WELCOME TO ROOTSCHAT ;D
ok heres a quick add.....Ruth Dews married George Rylah Dewsberry 1867.
Now we need Georges birth cert details ...off to look.
Tazzie
Oh my god where did you find that?
Thank you so much for your help!
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Hi CityTID :D
Welcome to Rootschat! If you need help you've come to the right place...and you can forget about giving up at the first hurdle! This game never lets you give up!!!! Sorry to hear about your grandma, it's often the way that it takes the loss of the older members of our family to spur us into finding out about our past.
First things first: do you have a marriage certificate for George RYLAH and Ruth? Seems not...that would be the place to start if you want their fathers' names (and her maiden name). You might get lucky and find some other family members were witnesses, too.
What area of the UK are we talking about?
Cheers
Prue
Thank you so much for your help!
My family are all from the south yorkshire / west yorshire area. And I dont have any birth or death certificates. My family are rubbish at keep ing things!
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Birth registration:
Dewsbury/vol xx11/p8 June 1845
Rylah - male, no christian name given. Could this be him?
Jen
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Hi CityTid
Welcome to roots,
Are you talking about the Geoge Rylah born in Yorkshire
ricky
Yep everyone is from Yorkshire :)
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Birth registration:
Dewsbury/vol xx11/p8 June 1845
Rylah - male, no christian name given. Could this be him?
Jen
This is a possibility. As I have his DOB at c.1846. What would the reasons be to not give him a Chrisitian name though? I am so confused!
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1841 census for the family
George Rylah 45 tailor born in county
Ann " 40 "
John " 20 " "
Charles " 13 "
Henry " 10 "
Thomas " 6 "
Joseph " 4 "
living at Soothill, Dewsbury, Yorks
H0107/ 1268/14
folio 10
page 13
ricky
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I found a JOhn RYLAH, widower, in 1851, born Earlsheaton living Soothill. About the right age - could he be the father of Dixon and George, who are visiting with George and Anne in 1851?
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Dixon's father was John anyway! :D
Extracted IGI christening
DIXON RYLAH Christening 27 DEC 1841 Dewsbury, Yorkshire
Father JOHN RYLAH Mother SUSAN
Can't see George's christening though :(
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1841 census for the family
George Rylah 45 tailor born in county
Ann " 40 "
John " 20 " "
Charles " 13 "
Henry " 10 "
Thomas " 6 "
Joseph " 4 "
living at Soothill, Dewsbury, Yorks
H0107/ 1268/14
folio 10
page 13
ricky
Do you think is his father?
This site is brilliant, I only just stumbled across it on Google! Thanks for so much help.
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The lack of name probably means simply that they hadn't decided what to call him, nothing more sinister. It isn't especially common but certainly not an abnormal thing to do.
Jen
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A maybe?
Deaths Mar 1850
Rylah Susan Dewsbury 22 46
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Where do you get all of this info from?
I have spent a fortune so far trawling through irrelevant information on the net!
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But .... there's also a Susanna Rylah who died 1842 Sept 1/4 vol22 p7, in Dewsbury ...
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But .... there's also a Susanna Rylah who died in 1841 in Dewsbury ...
Well it cant be her because George wasnt born until 1846.
( I just wish I knew how to update my tree know :o) )
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A possible marriage is in 1841
John Rylah
Sept Quarter
Dewsbury
Yorks
vol 22
page 16
On the same page with a load of other names is a
Susanna Gibson
ricky
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Welcome to Rootschat, as you've discovered we're quite a helpful bunch.
To find births, marriages and deaths before about 1920, the easiest website is:
www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl which as it's name implies is free and if you find a marriage for one partner and click on the number given, it will then show more names one of which will be the other partner.
For census etc. you can try www.ancestry.co.uk or www.findmypast.com both of which you have to pay to use.
Pre 1837, try www.familysearch.org
Hope this helps for now.
Lizzie
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Ricky - Dixon call one of his sons Gibson so that does look like Dixon's parents.
Shame we don't have any proof that Dixon and George were brothers :P
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Yes the 1842 death may not be correct - unless Susanna died after the birth of Dixon, and George has a different mother ....?
The marriage of John Rylah (and possibly Susanna Gibson) in 1841 would fit in with John still being at home with his parents, as the census was taken June 1841 ... and the marriage took place Sept 1/4.
It looks like a shotgun wedding with Dixon chr Dec 1841 ;)
Purchasing both boy's certificates would tell you who the parents are ...
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Hi Tati
thanks for that ;)
ricky
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We are as sure as we can be at the moment that Dixon and Geaorge are brothers
We also have another name in the mix either Absicom / Abscern or Absolom, depending on which records we look at. It's really confusing!
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The marriage of John Ryland (and possibly Susanna Gibson) in 1841 would fit in with John still being at home with his parents, as the census was taken June 1841 ... and the marriage took place Sept 1/4.
But it's Rylah
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Yes it is Rylah - I mistyped.
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Hi Citytid
It is John Rylah on the 1841 marriage index with Susanna Gibson
ricky
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Brilliant thank you :)
I wish I had found you lot earlier as I would have managed loads more!
Thank you so much
Kate xx
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So how would I go about clarifying if Dixon & George were definately brothers?
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Hi Citytid
on the 1851 census, which I suppose you have
there is a Leah Rylah living with George and Ann
And on the 1871 census
John Rylah head mar 49 tailor Yorks Earls Heaton
Leah " wife mar 42 " "
living at Town Street, Soothill, Dewsbury, Yorks
Rg10/ 4607
folio 18
page 30
So looks like John remarried
ricky
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The marriage to Leah isn't on FreeBMD unfortunately.
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So how would I go about clarifying if Dixon & George were definately brothers?
That's the bit that isn't obvious right away! No christening for George on the IGI.
Hopefully, if you order George's marriage cert, it will tell you that his father was John, a tailor :)
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The marriage John/Leah is
Sep 1851 Dewsbury XXII 74
John Rylah - Leah Newsome
:D
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Hi Citytid
I think you will find John Married a Leah Newsome in 1851
Sept quarter
Dewsbury
Yorkshire
vol 22
page 74
on FreeBMD
there is a Leah Newsome married
sept quarter
dewsbury
vol 22
page 7* other part of it is missing
ricky
snap Tati ;D
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Good finding Ricky and Tati ;D
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hank you for your help everyone
I am going to start looking into finding his marriage certificates and see if we can work from there.
Now for Ernests wifes family! Biby or Betsy nee Ward??? This should be fun!
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You can order the marriage cert online (£7)
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
George Rylah - Ruth Dews
June qarter 1867
Dewsbury registration district volume 9b page 719
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Hi again citytid.......
consider yourself addicted....... ;D.
Tazzie
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Marriage Jun 1898 Dewsbury 9b 1163
Ernest Rylah - Betsy Ward
They're with mum in law in 1901! :D
1901
RG13/4271 49 9 & 10
Soothill Nether
Cross Street
2 rooms occupied
Elizabeth Ward, head, wid, 70
Louisa, dau, s, 33, Blanket Weaver
Ernest Rylah, son, in law, mar, 30, Wool Shaker?
Betsy Rylah, dau, mar, 27
Arnold Rylah, grandson, 2
Doris Rylah, granddau, 5 mo
All born Earlsheaton
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The 1881 census is free to search at www.familysearch.org or www.ancestry.co.uk
You'll probably want to find them by yourself. Just shout if you have problems :)
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You can order the marriage cert online (£7)
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
George Rylah - Ruth Dews
June qarter 1867
Dewsbury registration district volume 9b page 719
Ordered. Thank you very much :)
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Hi again citytid.......
consider yourself addicted....... ;D.
Tazzie
I know!! It's great.
I am a member of a Manchester City forum too, and I have a highly addictive personality!
So how far back do you think I should go?
And is there a way of finding out information about the individuals? I mean names and dates are all well and good, but if we know sod all about them its pretty pointless :)
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The 1881 census is free to search at www.familysearch.org or www.ancestry.co.uk
You'll probably want to find them by yourself. Just shout if you have problems :)
I by no means was asking you to look for me. I'm not that cheeky :)
Just need a few pointers!
Thank you for all your help, I am well on my way now ! x
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I see it the other way round ;D
We (well, I anyway!) sometimes struggle refraining ourselves from giving all the info we can see :P :P ;D
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I see it the other way round ;D
We (well, I anyway!) sometimes struggle refraining ourselves from giving all the info we can see :P :P ;D
I find it's hard to find all the relevant info when there is so many similar records!
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Depends how far back you want to go .
Census info helps build the picture with jobs and address to follow up and check. I have got photo's of houses still standing and churches where they married....of course the further back you go the less you know unless the parish clerk was a good record collector and added notes to baptism records or marriages.
Tazzie
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Depends how far back you want to go .
Census info helps build the picture with jobs and address to follow up and check. I have got photo's of houses still standing and churches where they married....of course the further back you go the less you know unless the parish clerk was a good record collector and added notes to baptism records or marriages.
Tazzie
Thank you :)
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Hi Kate,
A warm welcome to you :)
HAve you had a look at this thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,292543.msg1763375.html#msg1763375
There is a free trial for old newspapers. With a name like Rylah you may get lucky and find newspaper entries.
Don't want to spoil your fun so all I'll say is there are 160 hits to trawl through ;)
Sign up and see what you find, might be nothing?
Pam
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Thanks very much :)
Been through them all, most are legal notices as a Mr Rylah was a solicitor. He was from Dewsbury however I fail to see how he may fit in, as most in our family were mill / factory workers
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Have you found the Ward family in 1881, CityTID? Would you like us to try and trace them further back? :)
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Well I am nearly convinced Dixon & George are brothers.
I need to work out about Susanna / Susan / Leah.
I dont want to go further back if we are not 100%, dont want to be searching someone elses family ;o)
Thanks for all your help.
I wish I had found this website 2 months ago!
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I still havent recieved the certificate, I hope it comes soon. I have been lazy this week and I've not really done much!
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See that addiction is kicking in .....now you will be stalking the postman waiting for that cert .... ;D
Let us know what it says and we will be back to help.
Tazzie
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Hello, I'm back!
Ok so I've got George Rylah's marriage certificate now. And I have his father as John Rylah.
George's wife Ruth Dews her father was called Francis Dews.
So how now do I find Francis's wifes name?
Thanks
Kate
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Great! John Rylah is just what we wanted to see! 8) (was he a tailor too?)
1851
HO107/2324 350 23
Dewsbury, Yorkshire
Aspinal Square
Frank Dews, head, 41, Yarn Manufacturer, b. Soothill Yorks
Rachael, wife, 38, Home, b. Robert Town (?)
Martha, dau, 5, scholar, b. Dewsbury
Ruth, dau, 2, scholar, b. do.
Joseph, brother, unm, 21, Hand Loom Weaver, b. Soothill
Sarah Ann Simpson, lodger, 9, Home, b. Dewsbury
Frank Dews, son, 4 mo, Home, b. do.
Was Francis a Yarn Manufacturer on the marriage cert? :)
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Francis and Rachel were already married in 1841 so we're looking for a marriage earlier than that:
1841
HO107/1268/1 47 24
Dewsbury, Yorkshire
Asman Square
Francis Dews, 30, Clothier, born Yorkshire
Rachel, 25, b. Yorkshire
Frost, 1 month, born Yorkshire
(ages were rounded down to the nearest five for adults)
Frost's christening is on the IGI:
FROST O. CONNER DEWS 25 JUL 1841 Dewsbury Father FRANCIS DEWS, Mother RACHEL
They also had a son Stapleton Dews!
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How about this marriage, found on the IGI at www.familysearch.org (extracted record) :D
FRANCIS DEWS - RACHEL HOWARD
Marriage 11 OCT 1835 Dewsbury, Yorkshire, England
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1861
RG9/3411 72 13
Dewsbury, Yorkshire
426 Assman Sq
Benjamin H Godley, head, 32, Stone Mason, b. Ossett
Rachel, wife, 48, b. Robert Town
Martha A Dews, stepdau, 15, Woollen Thread Piecer, b. Dewsbury
Ruth Dews, stepdau, 12, Woollen Thread Piecer, b. Dewsbury
Frank Dews, stepson, 10, scholar, b. do.
Richard Godley, lodger, 17, Stone Mason, b. Ossett
(marriage Rachel Dews - Benjamin Heaton Godley Dec 1853 Dewsbury 9b 695)
Rachel dies in 1868.
Who were the marriage witnesses?
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1861
RG9/3411 72 13
Dewsbury, Yorkshire
426 Assman Sq
Benjamin H Godley, head, 32, Stone Mason, b. Ossett
Rachel, wife, 48, b. Robert Town
Martha A Dews, stepdau, 15, Woollen Thread Piecer, b. Dewsbury
Ruth Dews, stepdau, 12, Woollen Thread Piecer, b. Dewsbury
Frank Dews, stepson, 10, scholar, b. do.
Richard Godley, lodger, 17, Stone Mason, b. Ossett
(marriage Rachel Dews - Benjamin Heaton Godley Dec 1853 Dewsbury 9b 695)
Rachel dies in 1868.
Who were the marriage witnesses?
Benjamin Heaton Godley was a witness!!!!
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Hurrah 8) 8)
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Hi,
I know this is an old post and is going to sound like a con - but I am 100% genuine.
Is your great grand father Ernest Rylah of the Durham Light Infantry?
If so I am in ownership of his remembrancer poppy pin from the RBL
http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/community/stories/remembrance/going-for-gold-the-somme-poppy/
As such I was just wondering wether you would like to take ownership (purely cost price)
If not I will continue to honour you grandfather each Remembrance Day
Respectfully yours
Nigel Rowland