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Title: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: fayl on Monday 24 March 08 00:32 GMT (UK)
My Great Grandparents - John and Elizabeth Harper, were, according to my Mother, buried at Aston Parish Church (around the mid 1940's - haven't yet found exact dates of death for both of them).

Having been mooching around the Huminex web site I found a page listing Monumental Inscriptions for St Peter & St Paul.

This showed that a John Harper and Elizabeth Harper were buried there - and also an Alfred John Harper (I know they had a son called Alfred (who died c1922).

At the top of this page it states Fiche number I039 sold by BMSGH.

Does this mean it is only availabe on film as opposed to CD.

Or does any one know if the these records are available at Birmingham Central Library or can suggest where else I may find this information.
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: jim1 on Monday 24 March 08 15:27 GMT (UK)
Hell Faye
Yes they available at B'ham library in book form on the 6th. floor.The fiches sold by BMSGH are viewable at any library that has a viewer.Fiches are about postcard size not a film.
hope this helps
Jim
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: fayl on Monday 24 March 08 20:59 GMT (UK)

Thank you Jim

That is most helpful.

I was hoping I may have been able to purchase these records on CD - but not to worry.  Will have to wait until I can get to the Library.

Many thanks

Fay
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: Brummygirl on Monday 31 March 08 22:00 BST (UK)
Hello Fay,

I went to Birmingham Library today and had a look at the momumental Inscriptions at St Peter & Paul for you at the Harpers.

I copied exactly what it said in the book..........

First one..............



Section F
Sandstone
In Affectionate rememberance of John Harper. Born 1789, died 12th January 1863 aged 77, from Wick, Caithness
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: Brummygirl on Monday 31 March 08 22:08 BST (UK)
2nd one
Sandstone
Section F

Sacred to the memory of Wiliam Roberts born......died 1807 aged.....Clerk and Sexton of this parish.
(Bur. Reg. William Roberts 18 Ocotber 1807 aged 27 Clerk of Aston)
Elizabeth Harper (nee Roberts) born 1786, died 17th January 1828 aged 42.
(bur. Reg. Elizabeth Harper 21st January 1827 aged 44 wife of John Harper)

I am presuming that where the.......are that the words were illegible on the tombstone and whoever transcribed this looked at the burial registers for confirmation.
Sorry i can see a mistake i have made here with the dates 1827 and 1828, the library was closing and i was rushing to write it down.
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: Brummygirl on Monday 31 March 08 22:15 BST (UK)
Last one

Section A
In loving memory of Alfred John the dearly beloved son of William and Sarah Harper who fell asleep November 2nd 1903 aged 28 years.
Also Sarah the beloved wife of William Harper who fell asleep June 1st 1913.
Also of William Harper the beloved husband of the above who fell asleep 10th October 1929 age 89 years

It does not sound as if these are the family you were lookinf for, but it could ellimaqte them for you.

Kindest regards
Brummygirl
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: fayl on Tuesday 08 April 08 10:57 BST (UK)
Brummygirl

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  Have only just logged onto the site and read your posts.  Probs with computer.

Thank you very much for your help in looking for burial info on my Harper family.

Unfortunately (as far as I am aware) they do not relate to my ancestors.

I need to do a bit more digging.

Regards

Fay

 
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: Puffcat on Thursday 24 April 08 22:17 BST (UK)
I was disappointed at the condition of the Churchyard and some of the monuments after I had looked at the MI's in the Birmingham Ro and then gone along. Very sad.
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: fayl on Sunday 27 April 08 16:05 BST (UK)

When I get more time I hope to go to Aston Church to have a good look around in the hope I may find my familys graves.

As I child I grew up in Aston and spent many hours wandering around the grounds of Aston Church - not knowing that I would one day start researching my ancestors
and would return many years later.

Fay
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: Bonnie66 on Tuesday 27 May 08 13:41 BST (UK)
There is another St Peter and Pauls - this is the Catholic Church, it could be classed as Aston its on Gravelly Hill near Spagehiti Junction - or it was (I have not been back to Uk for 30 years) Could this be the Church you are looking for. It was somethimes called Aston as apposed to Erdington.
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: fayl on Tuesday 03 June 08 08:49 BST (UK)

Hi Bonnie66

Thank you for the info but my mothers is 99.9% certain that her grandparents were both buried at Aston Church (close to the Villa football ground).

Just as soon as I get some time off work then I will try to research this a little more in depth.

Regards

Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: nickiejo on Sunday 02 August 15 19:02 BST (UK)
If anyone is going to Birmingham Library soon, would it be possible to check the MI's to see if they include:
Joseph Hallam b1743 bur 23 Dec 1832 aged 89 at St Peter and St Paul, Aston.
Many thanks for any help.

Since writing above, have discovered an index list for the above MIs - and it doesn't include any Hallams, so please ignore request.

Nicola
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: scottharper on Tuesday 17 May 16 20:26 BST (UK)
Hi Faye ,

i have some news for you regarding John and Elizabeth Harper from Claverley . After almost 30 years of searching I had given up all hope of finding them . I went to the who do think you are show at the NEC and although there wasn't any direct help , I thought about the 1841 census in a different way.
There is a parish bordering Claverley called Bobbington . Historically it had been part of the parish of Claverley. Part of the historic parish of Bobbington had been in Shropshire and part of it in Staffordshire.  Using Ancestry I found a John Harper baptised in Bobbington on 9/1/1785 , which fits in with our John Harpers age on his death certificate. His partents are given as John and Elizabeth Harper who were married in Bobbington as John Harper and Elizabeth Thomason in 20/10/1781. It all appears to fit.
John Harper -1785 , appears to have had two brothers Benjamine bapt 24/10/1787 and William bapt 24/11/1782 both in Bobbington. I cant find any details of either brother in 1841 census


I think i have also got details of our John and Elizabeth's marriage . Working on the details you had of Elizabeth's death certificate and the informant given as sister Ellen Bragger , I searched for births around Elizabeth's birth date , for 2 sisters of these names . The only possibility was 2 sisters by the name of White. Then searching for a John Harper and Elizabeth White Marriage , the only possibility was a Wolverhampton St Peters marriage for 23/9/1827. Wolverhampton is not far from Claverley and would have been the biggest urban industrial town in the area. this fits with John working in the metal/blacksmith trade and serving an apprenticeship . Through Elizabeth's mother Mary Ball , there is indirect link to Charles Dickens , whose paternal Grandmother was a Ball .

How about that , what do you think of my hypothesis ??

Scott (Harper)
 PS
I am not sure If you are still looking for a burial for John (jack ) harper who died in 1944 . As far as i know and My dad remembers attending the funeral he is buried in grave 93 53602 in Witton cemetery. I went to the grave years ago and there is no stone 
Title: Re: M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham
Post by: fayl on Thursday 19 May 16 00:08 BST (UK)
Hi Scott

Lovely to hear from you, can’t believe its been 8 years since I made this post about John and Elizabeth Harper.  I was just a beginner starting out on family research at that time.

Yes I know Bobbington and its location to Claverley – visited several times.

Based on the info on Elizabeths death certificate I had also  come up with births for Elizabeth White and her sister Ellen (Bragger) and also a marriage at St Peters in Wolverhampton for a John Harper and Elizabeth White in 1827.

With regards 2 (possible) brothers you may have found for John Harper – Benjamine  and William – I do not have any notes re Benjamine but did make notes for a William Harper – but my gut feeling is that they do not fit in – i.e. naming patterns – neither of those names crop up in any of John and Elizabeth Harpers children or their childrens children – which is very strange for that period of time - there again I am just a novice and you have much more experience than I of family research so I don’t think (at this moment in time) you should ignore your research re a possible family connection based on naming patterns – or lack of them.

However I am basing my comments/reply on memory as all my paperwork/scribbled research notes are stored in the loft so would need to check them out before I can comment further on William - at least.

I also attended Who Do You Think You Are at the NEC – albeit for just a couple of hours.  The Coventry/Warwickshire/Foleshill stands were quite helpful as I was looking for further info on John Harper (born 1863) married to Elizabeth (Pitt) during the time they lived there.

I have (over the last few years) sent you several e mails and tried to contact you through Ancestry to discuss my research and info I found on John Harper (b 1785) before he married Elizabeth (which I don't think you have as you haven't mentioned it in this post),  and also John Harper (born 1863 and his children with Elizabeth (Pitt) - but unfortunately I never heard back from you so could you let me know if you have changed your e mail address so I can  contact you with what I have found and we can either dismiss it or research it further.

Two heads are better than one.

Regards
Fay