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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: lindjemp on Friday 21 March 08 16:12 GMT (UK)
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My family were the Bells of Woolsington Hall and I have got a far back as Matthew Bell who bought Woolsington Hall - b1677-d 1748 who married Anne (or Jane) Salkeld in 1701 (she was born 1673 and d 1732) but cant find any sign of their parents.
Does anyone have any info?
Regards
Lindjemp
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Matthew Bell was of Mersington Berwickshire Scotland and a merchant draper in Newcastle. Ann daughter of Thomas Salkeld of the Side in Newcastle was his second wife, the first being Frances Johnson Jamison or Jennison widow.
Their son Matthew was apprenticed initially to Thomas Salkeld Boothman of Newcastle, so probably this was Ann's father.
This from the Victoria County History
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John Bell probably son of James Bell of Bottle Barns gent, was Sheriff of Newcastle in 1702 Same coat of arms as Bell of Woolsington. Apprenticed Mercer 1/4/1670, adm to Eastland Co 2/12/1682, adm Hostman 19/7/1687, buried St John's June 1716
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The Will of Thomas Salkeld, Merchant of Newcastle Upon Tyne dated 6th July 1727 & proved in 1727 is in Durham University Archives
The Will states Thomas Salkeld was of Darras
Francis Salkeld (brother) & Matthew Bell (son in law) where made executors and after settling all debts the estate was to be divided between them. Henry Salkeld eldest son of Francis was left a £50 legacy.
other names mentioned in Will
Ralph Gibson £11/6
Wm Blackett
Mabol Coxon - Three silver potts & two silver salt shakers
Mr John Shaw
Mr Henry Waugh
Mr John Brown
Witnesses - Matt Bell, Grace Hindmarsh & Jno Brown
In a later Will for Henry Salkeld, Pewterer of St Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne dated 13 December 1749
Henry Salkeld asks his good friend Matthew Bell to look after the interests of his wife & daughter
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Thank you all for your replies - thats loads of interesting information!!! - I only started researching after my grandmother died and found loads of notes my great grandmother had made - everything else I got from the internet or when I joined Ancestory (which has now lapsed) so its great to get some more snippets from the past.
Thanks again
Regards
Linda
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If you want a few more. There were two Thomas Salkelds admitted as freemen in Newcastle; Thos Salkeld son of Thos Salkeld of Newcastle tailor apprentice to Joseph Partis merchant or boothman 10/1/1693 admitted 30/8/1702
Thomas Salkeld son of Samuel Salkeld of Falloden gent apprentice to Thos Askill merchant 28/11/1689 Admitted 5/5/1699.
The Salkelds were an old gentry family. Falloden later became the home of Lord Grey the reformer.
Bottle Barns is Bothal Barns near Morpeth.
Darras is Darras Hall now an exclusive housing estate NW of Newcastle not far from Woolsington
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Thanks for all the information - if anyone has anything more please let me know!
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Hi, I noticed you had a connection with Woolsington Hall !
My family were the last owners who lived there in the manor house and owned the surrounding lands.
I remember going there when I was a little boy, its was such an amazing place !
It was bought from my family by the then president of Newcastle United Football Club with plans to turn it into a training ground for the club however I think all this, amongst plans of a golf course and luxury hotel accomidation of late ,havd all fallen through due to its heritage grading and preservation !
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Oooo - when did you move in? - I have the bill of sale from 1923 when it passed out of the Bells family hands - do you have any pictures of the Hall?
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Yep, thats was us moving in !!! Bill of sale should have been made to the Smith family. I was born and grew up in Australia, but as a boy, many times during my summer school holidays, I came to the Hall to work with my family on the farm with the sheep and cattle. I wish I did have pictures because I have very fond memories or the place, As a child the only picture I remember seeing was 1 on my grandfathers bedroom wall when it was covered in snow !!!
It was the most fantastic house and surrounding buildings etc and the best part was the gardens, the wall which surrounded it had the hot water pipes in it so that it kept awat frost and provided a 'warmer' environmant for the plants to grow in, I assume it would keep frost away aswell.
Its such a shame to read about all the propsed developments etc as government have knocked them all back, but it has meant that the entire place has gon eto ruin, the house has been boarded up, the garedns hardly exsist anymore as they are over grown etc and not much remains of the rest of the farm buildings.
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Very interested to see Woolsington Hall reference. I am related to the Smith family who moved into the Hall in 1929. They were called Dorothy and Sydney Smith and had 2 children
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Many thanks for replying!
I have the newspaper cutting of the auction of Woolsington Hall - the Mrs Watson nee Bell was my great grandmother Margaret Ellen who married her cousin Claude Henry Watson who was the Woolsington Estate manager. They lived at Sunniside Farm.
Richard Hutchinson contacted me regarding some of his memories of the Hall which were very descriptive.
I have a few photos of my great grandmother if you are interested - would love to hear more about her!
cheers
Linda
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Hi all,
Well, i'll try and get this right and is to the best of my knowledge of my family tree.
, Ralph Hutchinson and his brother Frank.
Ralph was married to Elsie Sheppard - Turner ( she and the great artist 'Turner' are cousins !! ), and had my father Frank II.
Frank, who was killed accidently during WW2, was married to Joan, who since remarried but ad a son with Frank.
Both Ralph and Frank were born in Newcastle in I think around 1912 to Thomas and Wilhelmona.
Frank is buried in a Commonwealth War Grave in St. Andrew's and Jesmond, he was a Flight Sargent in 15 P Advanced Flying RAF. He was killed when his student crashed the areoplane.
How are you related, we will be on the same tree just a different branch.
its great to see the interest on here, Woolsington Hall is a good place to errr, place to place memories, once you had been there, you never forgot it
Richard
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Could you tell me the names of the Watsons who still live at Sunniside?
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Hi Linda,
I sent you an email
Rich
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Two parts to this reply - I think that the Miss Bell who married her cousin Claude had a son called Godfrey who was an author. The owneers of Sunniside now have no connection with the Watson family.
Re the Hutchinson family connection with Woolsington - love to know more and am most interested in the info re Frank and Ralph. When you came over from Australia where did you stay? And when did your family live at the Hall?
The good news is that the house is in reasonable order structurally inside now and maybe the grand plans for it will eventually happen!.
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Richard - my name is Valerie! V. interesting info from you and all confusing...I have been talking to my 2nd cousin who now lives near Stocksfield re the Leatherland family ie Diana's side. Harry and Elizabeth Leatherland lived at Darras Hall in a house called Habeth and D was brought up there. Mrs L had a sister known as Aunt Mina (Minor?) who has a son Ralph. Ralph married Elsie who ?was Australian. Are these your parents? Who is your Aunt who knows re this - v. intriguing!
I am related through my maternal grandmother who was Dorothy Smiths sister - maiden name was Raine. So the late Bill, who died at the end of last year was my 2nd cousin. I knew the house well as I had my 21st birthday party there and was later married from there. Played tennis there and altogether had a lot of fun. Maybe all this is already telling you what you know - if so, apologies! Yours Valerie.
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Hi Valerie,
Ok so i'll try and say it so it makes sense,
I think the relationship is on the Leatherland side. Elizabeth and Wilhelmina ( Mina ) were sisters, and hwnce Mina was Diana's aunt. Now, Mina married Thomas Hutchinson ( they are my great grand parents ) They had 2 children, Frank and Ralph, Frank married Joan and Ralph married Elsie ( who are my grandparents). Joan and Elsie went to school together in Australia !
So then, Frank was killed during the war but had a son a year previous to his death who is Ronald. Ralph and Elsie had 3 children including my father Frank ( named after Ralph's brother, so he 2 Franks make it confusing haha) This Frank is my father.
So as it works out, I think you have the same relationship to Bill and my father, which is second cousin, going on, Bill and Diana are cousins to Ralph and Elsie. I do remember my father teloing me he was second cousin to Bill and Diana's children.
You may or may not be aware, but I am pretty certain that Harry and Elizabeth are buried in The St Andrew's and Jesmond cemetry aswell, right next to Ralph's brother Frank !!!!
I visited the plots Jan 2008, the anniversary or Frank's death. Harry and Elizabeth are on the left hand side of Frank's Commonwealth War grave Sec. B. Cons. Grave 143.
From what I am told by one of Bill and Diana's children, a 3rd family member is buried with Harry and Elizabeth in the same plot but there is no mention on the headstone.
I think we have nutted it out, and so for our relationship, I am your newphew, either twice or thrice removed.
Cool !!
Rich
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Hi Valerie,
I was right, Elizabeth and Wilhelmina were sister's.
And Elizabeth and Henry are buried next to Frank at St. Andrew's and Jesmond.
The inscriptions are ....
'429207 Flight Sergeant F Hutchinson Royal Australian Air Force 8th January 1945 aged 28. Husband of Joan, son of Thomas and of the late Wilhelmina who died 29th November 1964 aged 76.'
This is a Commonwealth War Grave of the RAAF, it is a white cross with the RAAF coat of arms engraved in it.
And to the immediatley to its left, a green marble/rock covered grave with a black headstone ( i think from memory)
'In loving memory of Elizabeth Lillias Leatherland died 18th February 1966 aged 75 and her dear husband Henry Leatherland died 1st October 1973 aged 79. RIP.
If you haven't seen them and you were interested.
Rich
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Hello Val, Rich and any other interested party,
I still live at Woolsington Hall, behind the main buildings, we previously lived at Sunniside.
I can supply recent/older pictures if required, and possibly some other info.
My wife used to work for Bill & Diana, I used to play squash against Bill.
He always beat me!!
The Smiths moved out in 1995, selling up the year before.
The current owner did nothing to the place until last year when he was basically forced to under threats of compulsary purchase.
Any more info?
Bob
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Hello
I'm from Canada and my great-great-grandmother was a kitchen maid at Woolsington Hall in 1851 working for Matthew Bell MP-(she was listed in the census as Mary Caisley although Ancestry.com has her under Mary Carsley).
I am interested to ask Bob, who still lives on the property, how it looks now? Is the restoration anywhere near complete and is there anything to see? I will be in England this summer and just wanted to know if it was worth swinging by to see where my ancestor used to peel potatoes.
It must have been a swanky place at one time as she was one of 14 servants!
Any info on the property would be appreciated.
Patti
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Hello lindjemp. I am John Roberts, a resident of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada. I am buying four oil paintings this week. All are portraits of the Bell family of Woolsington Hall and all are unidentified sitters. Thought you may like to know this. You could phone me if you wish at 001-250-477-4127.
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Hello
I'm from Canada and my great-great-grandmother was a kitchen maid at Woolsington Hall in 1851 working for Matthew Bell MP-(she was listed in the census as Mary Caisley although Ancestry.com has her under Mary Carsley).
I am interested to ask Bob, who still lives on the property, how it looks now? Is the restoration anywhere near complete and is there anything to see? I will be in England this summer and just wanted to know if it was worth swinging by to see where my ancestor used to peel potatoes.
It must have been a swanky place at one time as she was one of 14 servants!
Any info on the property would be appreciated.
Patti
Hi Patti, which part of Canada are you from?
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Hi JMR
I am living in Waterloo ON, home of the Blackberry right now, but I was born in Hamilton, which is where Mary Ann Caisley's son emigrated to in around 1910.
Are you related to the Bell family or just interested in the paintings?
Patti
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Hi Patti. There is an auction coming up Thursday this week where four oil paintings will be sold. Each one of these paintings is a portrait of descendants of Matthew Bell, M.P. but each portrait is untitled unfortunatley. They appear to be 19th-century. There is also a mention on the backs of the canvases that the Bell family were living at Woolsingham Hall. I came across your message while researching the hall which is now owned by Sir John Hall, a soccer tycoon. I live in Victoria, B.C. Hope you enjoy your visit to the old country. - John.
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Hi to you both - I have sent private messages with regards to sending pictures as I have quite a few of Woolsington Hall and also pictures of the Bells themselves.
Patti - just for info - I can trace the Bells ancestors back 23 generations to Edward III - so you can always boast your g g grandmother worked for relations to royalty!
cheers
Linda
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Hello. My daughter has just told me about all these discussions about Woolsington. I used to live there! The Watsons still live at Sunnyside. I have recently acquired a painting called 'Meet at Wolsington' (sic) by J Atkinson. I think it dates from the turn of the last century. It is definitely Woolsington Hall.
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Hi to you both - I have sent private messages with regards to sending pictures as I have quite a few of Woolsington Hall and also pictures of the Bells themselves.
Patti - just for info - I can trace the Bells ancestors back 23 generations to Edward III - so you can always boast your g g grandmother worked for relations to royalty!
cheers
Linda
Hi Linda, I wondered if you are still searching for information on Matthew Bell. Would love to hear from you.
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Didn't get a private message about Woolsington. Mind you, I am new to this site and haven't fully worked it out yet.
Can you help?
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Hi - I'm from Canada.
I have more information on 4 MORE Bells of Woolsington painted portraits ]that belong to the same collection of Bell portaits mentioned in JMR's April 20, 2009 post.
We are trying to identify the beautiful young lady in the elegant clothes in one of these 4 painting.
I'm thinking she could possibly be (Anne) Jane Salkeld ..... just a guess from the richness of the clothing that appear to be Silk, with a large jewel.
We are interested in seeing more photos from Woolsington. Would love to hear from someone.
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Just remembered about this thread and though I would resurrect it - if anyone would like photos of Woolsington Hall just let me know - I would love to see the painting of the lady as I would like to see what one of my ancestors looks like.
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Hello fellow Woolsington and Bell relations.
My husband is the last of the surname Bell's and we have been working on the Bell Family tree within ancestry.ca. We would be delighted to make contact and to share pictures etc of both the Bells of Woolsington, and Woolsington itself. Someone mentioned they had pictures of the Bells, as do we. Ours are portraits (unidentified but apparently Bell ancestors), except for one which appears to be Matthew Bell Esq., M.P. (who is my husbands 2nd Great Grand Uncle)
Matthew Bell b 1677 is my husband's 6th Great Grandfather.
Looking forward to hearing back and making contact.
thanks very much
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Hi - glad I resurrected this thread! Matthew Bell (1677) was my 10x great grandfather - if you would like to private message me with your email address I have 2 family trees on Excel - one from Matthew Bell 1677 and one from Matthew Bell 1793 down to me - I also have quite a few pictures of Woolsington Hall and the Bell Family - I'm all excited to find another relative!!!!
My connection to the Bell family is via my great grandmother Margaret Ellen Bell who was the daughter of Charles Lorraine Bell who owned Woolsington Hall. He was the son of Matthew Bell of Woolsington (1768) whose great grandfather was Matthew Bell (1677)
Would love to hear from you
Kind regards
Linda
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Hello Linda,
This is fantastic!!!!
Please forgive my ignorance at using rootschat (it is my first time logging in), and I can't seem to find the way to mark a message private as you suggested.
Might I suggest that you send one to me and then I should be able to respond back in private (I assume).
This is most exciting and yes we have LOTS of information on the Bell side, so very much looking forward to hearing from you.
Bellfalcon
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Hi Linda,
I sent you a test email....
My husbands Great Grandfather was (Rev) Henry Bell, brother of Charles Loraine Bell, and up the line as you mention.
It would appear that you and my husband are related and according to my family tree files you would be 3rd cousins 1x removed.
How exciting!
cheers,
Bellfalcon
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This is great - really good to find new relatives!I looked up Henry Bell on my tree - is he the one that was Vicar of Muncaster and married Katherine Fitzgerald?
I got your private message - I will pm you with my email address and send you the family trees I have.
cheers
Linda
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Lets see if these photos of Woolsington Hall works!
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And Woolsington Hall today..
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Hi Linda,
Thanks so much for the private email, I will get back to you very soon.
I have seen one of these Woolsington pictures, via an internet search but the others are new to me. Wow...so very nice and great to see that date of 1828, as this would have been the same time that Matthew Bell Esq., MP would have lived there!
Looking forward to our sharing of Bell information.
Bellfalcon
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Im brand new to this site and hoping this is where to ask. What are the coat of arms of the Bells of Woolsington? On ancestry.com one person has TWO Coats of arms shown. The second is listed as both a crest and a coat of arms and is Sable fess ermine between three silver bells. IS this their arms? Its also the arms of Sir Robert Bell d. 1577 in Beupore England, Speaker of the House of Commons who no one knows who he descends from.
Thank you in advance!
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Jwinon you state you have traced the bells for 23 generations back to Edward III. Do you have that written somewhere I can see, or can you email them to me? Im VERY intersted Thank you in advance!
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I would very much like to receive the genealogy you have on the Bell line. I am stuck on my Bell line. The last ancestor that I am postive about is William Bell born 12-25-1759 Hunting Creek, Rowan, North Carolina. He married Sarah McGuire born 05-11-1768 of Hunting Creek, Rowan, North Carolina. Willaims father was Robert Bell. There is some debate, apparently, as to who his mother was. I believe his mother was Jane Bean, daughter of William Bean. I get stuck at Robert. I have found three differnt sets of parents for this Robert. I don't necessarily think that the information on Familysearch.org is correct because it doesn't match up with "family tradition". Family tradition states that we come from John Austin of Scotland who was knighted Sir Bell because of his work with metal and tullip-shaped bells. After he was knighted the family took on the name of Bell, moved to Ireland and then to America. I believe this line come through John Bell of Londonderry, Ireland. The line on Familysearch.org keeps the name of Bell longer than they should have if family tradition is right. There are plenty of old obituaries on-line for Governors and the like that also talk of this name change. Many of them site McDougall's History of Scotland for the information, but I can't find that book either. Long story short...I would be interested to see if you have any information that could help me sort this out.
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I would very much like to receive the genealogy you have on the Bell line. I am stuck on my Bell line. The last ancestor that I am postive about is William Bell born 12-25-1759 Hunting Creek, Rowan, North Carolina. He married Sarah McGuire born 05-11-1768 of Hunting Creek, Rowan, North Carolina. Willaims father was Robert Bell. There is some debate, apparently, as to who his mother was. I believe his mother was Jane Bean, daughter of William Bean. I get stuck at Robert. I have found three differnt sets of parents for this Robert. I don't necessarily think that the information on Familysearch.org is correct because it doesn't match up with "family tradition". Family tradition states that we come from John Austin of Scotland who was knighted Sir Bell because of his work with metal and tullip-shaped bells. After he was knighted the family took on the name of Bell, moved to Ireland and then to America. I believe this line come through John Bell of Londonderry, Ireland. The line on Familysearch.org keeps the name of Bell longer than they should have if family tradition is right. There are plenty of old obituaries on-line for Governors and the like that also talk of this name change. Many of them site McDougall's History of Scotland for the information, but I can't find that book either. Long story short...I would be interested to see if you have any information that could help me sort this out.
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Unfortunately I dont have any imformation on those bells. BUT...if your family tradition is correct the idea that they are descended thru John Bell of Londerry is unlikely. John Bell is the brother of Matthew Bell who can be traced to Kirconnel, Scotland as a Bell. These bells traveled to Ireland waiting for land grants to open in America. The Bell DNA project then links this Matthew Bell with Sir Robert Bell Eschecuer under Queen Elizabeth. This Sir Robert can be traced to a common ancestor with Matthew Bell (brother of John) at most four generations earlier around 1425. So unless John Austin of Scotland was born even earlier than this its unlikely they are related. Further Sir Roberts Coat of Arms is Church bells not tulip shaped bells so again unlikely.
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Church bells are considered to be tulip-shaped.
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Found this website.
http://vermontcivilwar.org/state/obits.php?input=9141
The key imformation is:
John Austin of Glasgow, Scotland, invented the tulip-shaped bell for which he was knighted by Queen Elizabeth and took the name of Bell. James, a son, came to America, and a descendant of his, another James Bell, the grandfather of the subject of this sketch, came to Hardwick from Lyme, N.H., not far from 1800. Three or four years later he moved to Walden and in 1810 he settled on the farm known as The Belfry, where his grandson was born.
Now if this is correct then John Austin, later John Bell only became a Bell under Queen Elizabeth. Sir Robert Bells family and the John Bell of Londerry can be traced as Bells for at least four generations PRIOR to Queen Elizabeths reign. So either theres no relationship OR the John Austin/Bell line and John Bell of Londerry line inter married. Which of course is highly possible.
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My 4th great grandmother is Margaret Bell of Woolsington Hall who married John Ford of The Chauntry, near Ipswich on 4 July 1771 in Newburn Church, Wolsington, Northumberland. Margaret is the daughter of Matthew Bell whose dates I do not know. Margaret Bell died in 1839 but I do not know her d.o.b. I would be so pleased for any information on these Bells and if also known on John Ford, eldest son and heir of John Ford Esquire and his wife, Dorothea, daughter of Randle Wilbraham Esquire of Rode Hall, Cheshire - dates unknown
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Hi - I can help you! I am related from Margarets brother Matthew Bell. The info I have is from my great grandmothers notes - she put -
Margaret Bell - b. 15 July 1749 - married John Ford of Bedford Row, London, (lawyer) in 1771
Her father was Matthew Bell born 17 March 1707 (or 8) - he married Jane Ridley, daughter of Richard Ridley of Heaton Hall at Gosforth on 19 February 1744.
I'm afraid I dont have any more information on John Ford - if you want more info on the Bells side just let me know.
Kind regards
Linda
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Thank you, Linda. That fills in important gaps on my tree. Regards, Carainn
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Hi Linda,
I have just come across this web site. I am a direct descendant of Matthew Bell MP. My Name is Matthew Bell!!. My Grandfather is still alive age 101 and going strong. He still has a memory of an elephant. As far as I know the main line of the family emigrated to Canada after selling Woolsington (hence the paintings turning up in Canada). My Grandfather has a painting of Woolsington above his desk. I will print off all your correspondence about Woolsington and send it to him and hopefully he will be able to shed some more light.
long live the bells
Kind Regards Matt
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Great stuff! how are you related? Walter Bell who sold Woolsington Hall was my great great uncle - dont know very much about him at all - have you got more information?
Kind regards
Linda
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Hi Linda, I have just spoken to my Grandfather, Walter was a cousin of sorts.My Grandfather met him in Suffolk during the war after dunkirk.Then went to stay with him in Devon after the war.
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I'm really hoping that some one can help me out. I'm doing my husband's side of the family tree and he has Bell's and Salkeld's in his family. I'm not sure if they're related to the Bell's at Woolsington Hall and the Salkeld's at Corby Castle. Here are the list of names going back from 1887 to 1733, following the father/son line. I have names of siblings but thought this would simplify things:
1887-1945 William Bell married to Eliza Gotts
1865-1912 Thomas Bell married to Ann Taylor Jefferson
1831-1891 William Bell married Francis Hutchison
1801-1868 John Bell married to Margaret Weatherburn
1764-???? Arthur Bell married to Ann Brown
????-???? John Bell married Margaret Mitchelson
I'll post the Salkeld side separately. Would really appreciate any help on this.
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Further to my last post, here are the Salkeld's, again to make it simple following the father/son line:
1866-1925 Thomas William Salkeld married to MaryJane Wood
1844-1919 Richard Salkeld married to Mary Ling
1819-???? John Salkeld married to Isable Salkeld.
Now, I'm not sure if Salkeld was Isable's maiden name or not....anything's possible!
If anyone has any more information on this branch of the Salkeld's I'd really appreciate it.
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I don't know if this string is still alive, but... I am related to Jane Ann (Raine) Scott. My understanding is that the Scotts purchased Woolsington Hall from the Bells about 1923. My great-grandparents, parents and I have all visited and my wife and I stayed overnight with Anthea Smith in the mid 1990s. I have followed recent history about the property but am interested in the Bill of Sale that was mentioned and any info on the Scotts or Smiths.
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Hello Holmes 60,
I knew Bill (Antheas brother) and he always signed himself as William Scott Smith, so there must have been a "coming together".
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William Scott married my ancestor Jane Ann Raine. Their child Dorothy Scott married Sydney Smith. And Dorothy and Sydney's children were Anthea and William Scott Smith. Would you be able to send me the bill of sale you previously mentioned?
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Hi
Having recently discovered Mathew Bell 1677 - 1748 along with Anne Salkeld 1673 - 1732 as part of my ancestry it would be a great help if those of you who have traced this family further back could help with their parentage . There seems to be information with regards to Mathew's family moving forwards but very little suggesting his and Annes parentage and beyond. Any help would greatly advance my research .
Regards
Richie