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Can anyone help me establish when Nelson's jam factory at Aintree was built? Apart from that I'd also like to know whether they used stoneware jars for their jam. I suspect these might have been made at Melling Pottery.
Imber
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There was a jam factory opposite Everton Cemetery Long Lane Walton ..... I'm not sure if it was Nelson's or Hartley's ........ we used to go looking for jam jars to take to school for cashing in to buy dogs for the blind !! ( maybe there was 2 .... it's a long time ago !! ::) ) and I think Nelsons made marmalade in their stoneware pots .... !!
Annie :)
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Hartley's Jam factory was opposite Everton Cem. Hartley Village is there too. Lynn
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My mum worked in Hartley's before she was married. She had a bad scalding accident when a vat of hot jam spilt on her leg. No compensation in those days and she was scarred for life!!
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Nelson's Preserving Co Limited was also on Long Lane. It is listed in the 1925 Directory, but not in the 1911.
Hartley's was established in 1868.
Ken
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Many thanks all. Much appreciated. I think Nelsons were taken over in 2002 and then closed.
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Hello Ken
Just noticed your message from 2008. Do you happen to know where the Employee Records of Nelson's Jam Factory, Long Lane, Aintree would be held?
My Great Aunt worked there in 1898.
Thanks
Pat Berry in Australia
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Nelson's Preserving Co Limited was also on Long Lane. It is listed in the 1925 Directory, but not in the 1911.
Hartley's was established in 1868.
Ken
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Hi Pat
Sorry I got the information from a directory. I doubt they have been kept. But I did find who took them over - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2003/04/29/jam-today-for-chivers-staff-100252-12902821/
You could try them - http://www.applegate.co.uk/food-and-agribusiness/chivers-hartley-fruit-vegetables-preserving-processing-1322468.htm - they may have an archivist. They in turn are owned by HL Foods.
Ken
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According to the label on a jar of Harley's jam in front of me now their current address is The Premier Foods Group, Bridge Road, Long Sutton, Spalding. Lincs PE12 9EQ.
Jacobs cream crackers or a biscuit factory used to be next door didnt it?
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Hello Ken
Thanks for that information. I have looked at both links. Another message has just come from "Scouseboy" so I'll have a look at that before I write to them and see what I can find out. I'll let you know if I'm lucky.
Pat
Hi Pat
Sorry I got the information from a directory. I doubt they have been kept. But I did find who took them over - http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2003/04/29/jam-today-for-chivers-staff-100252-12902821/
You could try them - http://www.applegate.co.uk/food-and-agribusiness/chivers-hartley-fruit-vegetables-preserving-processing-1322468.htm - they may have an archivist. They in turn are owned by HL Foods.
Ken
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Hello
Thanks for the information on a Hartley's jam jar. I've got an address for Chivers-Hartley in Cambridge from Ken. I will write to both addresses (one at a time) and see if they hold the Employee Records I am after. It was my G Aunt Margaret Ann Woodside who was working there in 1898 and had probably been there for 10 years. Her brother (my Grand-Dad) John William Woodside worked as a Lorry Driver for Jacob's biscuits for 40 years.
Thanks again
Pat
According to the label on a jar of Harley's jam in front of me now their current address is The Premier Foods Group, Bridge Road, Long Sutton, Spalding. Lincs PE12 9EQ.
Jacobs cream crackers or a biscuit factory used to be next door didnt it?
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I have been down Long Lane in the last six months. A lot of my family are buried in everton cemetery on Long Lane. I thought I was right when I recall that United Biscuits have still got a big factory on Long Lane.
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If records were kept they may be archived at the main library in William Brown St. or the University, worth trying.
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Hello Scouseboy
I have written to Premier Foods regarding Nelson's Employee Records. I found a contact form on their website.
I will let you know if I hear anything from them
Pat
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According to the label on a jar of Harley's jam in front of me now their current address is The Premier Foods Group, Bridge Road, Long Sutton, Spalding. Lincs PE12 9EQ.
Jacobs cream crackers or a biscuit factory used to be next door didnt it?
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I think the biscuit factory used to sell bags of broken biscuits to their employees.
Have you ever tried Jam on cream crackers?
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Hello Purlin
Thank you for the info. I have written to Premier Foods who now own Nelsons so I will see what they have to say first.
Thanks
Pat
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If records were kept they may be archived at the main library in William Brown St. or the University, worth trying.
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Did they also make marmalade?
I was once told that during the war (or maybe shortly after ) crates of Oranges were washed up on the beach known as the Cast Iron Shore ( near the Dingle). So all the children rushed down to salvage what they could as Oranges had been impossible to obtain during the war. They did not taste very nice, apparently because they were the sort to make marmalade with. Has anyone else heard this tale?
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Hello Scouseboy
In reply to your previous message. Yes I have jam on my crackers and I also like "BOVRIL" spread on crackers. We used to be able to get Jacob's biscuits here in Australia. I don't remember having broken biscuits at my Grand-Dad's.
I am sure Nelson's made marmalade. We used to get Nelson's jams here too.
I had cousins who lived in Dingle House, Dingle and I used to go with them to the Cast Iron Shore and on the Overhead Railway. I used to live in Maghull so quite different.
Pat
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Did they also make marmalade?
I was once told that during the war (or maybe shortly after ) crates of Oranges were washed up on the beach known as the Cast Iron Shore ( near the Dingle). So all the children rushed down to salvage what they could as Oranges had been impossible to obtain during the war. They did not taste very nice, apparently because they were the sort to make marmalade with. Has anyone else heard this tale?
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'I used to live in Maghull so quite different' thats where the posh people lived isnt it Pat!
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Hi
I have not heard of a connection between Nelsons Jam and Melling pottery. My grandfather wrote a booklet on the history of the pottery, this has since been revised with more detail by in conjunction with research from Scotland where the founders of the pottery were based. They had strong links with Hartleys jam and produced the distinctive "lighthouse" jam pots. They also produced numerous other products until the factory was destroyed by fire in 1928. If you have a particular interest in the pottery please contact me
Paul.
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Hello Purlin
We lived on the ALT ESTATE-It wasn't posh.
Pat
'I used to live in Maghull so quite different' thats where the posh people lived isnt it Pat!
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Nelson Preserving Company was established in 1921 by Tom porter.
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Hello
My Great Aunt was working at Nelson's Jam Factory in Aintree in 1898.
I had a look on Google and found this item in the British Free Library Online from the Liverpool Daily Post in 2002 that says Nelson's was closing down and it also said that the company has been making preserves on Merseyside for more than a century.
Pat
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Nelson Preserving Company was established in 1921 by Tom porter.
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Hi
revised with more detail by in conjunction with research from Scotland
Paul.
Hi Paul
That's me! I'm still keeping my eye open for new angles on Midland Pottery and thought it likely they might have made jars for Nelsons.
Denis
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Hello Denis
Have you seen this website? http://www.towpathtreks.co.uk/llc/bootle_melling.html
Scroll down to MELLING and you will see this:- "Melling had its own pottery industry and stone jars were made here and taken along the canal to Hartleys Jam Works at Aintree. Scottish potters came to Melling to work. The potery works were destroyed by fire in 1928."
Pat
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Hi
revised with more detail by in conjunction with research from Scotland
Paul.
Hi Paul
That's me! I'm still keeping my eye open for new angles on Midland Pottery and thought it likely they might have made jars for Nelsons.
Denis
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It's lovely to read all your anecdotes of my home town.
My Grandmother used to work at Hartley's and for a 'holiday' she and a group of workmates would volunteer to go to Kent to do some fruit picking for the jam.
My Mum also worked at Jacobs she used to bring home huge cube shaped tins of broken, mixed biscuits which included yellow and pink cream wafers or fig biscuits and sometimes cream crackers. I think they only charged 2s 6d for them!
Yes Scouseboy, jam on crackers tastes divine.
Shirley
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Have you seen this website? http://www.towpathtreks.co.uk/llc/bootle_melling.html
Scroll down to MELLING and you will see this:- "Melling had its own pottery industry and stone jars were made here and taken along the canal to Hartleys Jam Works at Aintree. Scottish potters came to Melling to work. The potery works were destroyed by fire in 1928
Thanks for link Pat. Great photographs.
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My Mum also worked in Jacobs and we lived in Melling, I have a Pottey jug that she passed down to me, it was made in Melling Pottery in 1904 and has the name Mrs J Woods inscribed on it, their were 2 of these jugs when i was growing up but don't know where the other one went :'(
Urm Melling was the posh area??? lol I went to school in Maghull....Deyes Lane during the 60's'
And still eat jam on crackersd!! ;D
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My Mum also worked in Jacobs and we lived in Melling, I have a Pottey jug that she passed down to me, it was made in Melling Pottery in 1904 and has the name Mrs J Woods inscribed on it, their were 2 of these jugs when i was growing up but don't know where the other one went :'(
Urm Melling was the posh area??? lol I went to school in Maghull....Deyes Lane during the 60's'
And still eat jam on crackersd!! ;D
Snap! We lived in Melling ... and I was at Deyes Lane from 1961-1965 ;)
I have a stoneware ginger beer bottle that was made at 'Midland Pottery' (Melling)
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Never mind the Jam factory, what about the sausage factory at Litherland? Richmond was it?
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Don't remember a sausage factory :-\
@Zed you were a little a head of me i also went to Melling c of e school and I remember the name Greaves from both a yonger sibling maybe??My brother was nearer your age and attended same schools.
We had alot of small jars and bottles also hot water stoneware bottle, shame i think they were just thrown away :'(
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Richmond sausage Factory near the canal at Seaforth or Litherland. Do you remember the opening sequence for Z Cars. It included a shot of the bridge over the canal, I think it was called "the Lift Bridge"
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Z Cars now there's a memory ;D no can't remember the opening, but hey i still like richmond sausages irish recipe!! nearly as nice s a plate of scouse :-*
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Hello pat38 just wondered if you found the staff records for Nelsons jam factory, my grandmother worked there on 1911 census. I have spent a long time trying to find the birth of her so it is a longshot that it may give her birth details.
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I used to live in Southport and the Ribble bus used to take us through Litherland past the sausage factory. Unfortunately it has been demolished and until recently the space was covered with an advertising hoarding.
Re Nelsons Jam factory....the factory exists but it is now a business park. The whole area has been "revamped".
Dave
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Hello,
I wrote to Premier Foods via the contact form on their website on 20 January 2011 and I received a "Thank You" for my message but never received an answer to my message. I think I had an address for Chivas-Hartley who took Nelson's over so I will try them with a letter rather than an email.
Can't you find the Birth of your grandmother on Rootsweb FreeBMD. What is her name and I'll see if I can find her. I have got the Birth, Marriage and Death of my Great Aunt and I just wanted to see her Employee Record at Nelson's.
Regards
Pat
Hello pat38 just wondered if you found the staff records for Nelsons jam factory, my grandmother worked there on 1911 census. I have spent a long time trying to find the birth of her so it is a longshot that it may give her birth details.
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I am afraid its a bit of a dead end with my grandma as I do not know 100% sure what name she was born under or where she was born. I think she was illigitimate and it seems to be well hidden. I have checked Rootsweb (as I transcribe for them) and posted several times to find her.
She is either Ada Boston or Ada Pritchard born 1st May 1876
Her mother was Emma Pritchard born in Roddington Shropshire but she moved to Liverpool so she could have been born in Shropshire or Liverpool. I have worked out 1876 from her marriage & death certificates. My mother is no help because she was the baby of the family and was told only what they wanted her to know. If you can help that would be great.
Pat
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Hello
I will see if I can find your Grandmother. I have sent you a PM.
Pat
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I am afraid its a bit of a dead end with my grandma as I do not know 100% sure what name she was born under or where she was born. I think she was illigitimate and it seems to be well hidden. I have checked Rootsweb (as I transcribe for them) and posted several times to find her.
She is either Ada Boston or Ada Pritchard born 1st May 1876
Her mother was Emma Pritchard born in Roddington Shropshire but she moved to Liverpool so she could have been born in Shropshire or Liverpool. I have worked out 1876 from her marriage & death certificates. My mother is no help because she was the baby of the family and was told only what they wanted her to know. If you can help that would be great.
Pat
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Hi my grandmother Hannah Bonney used to work at Nelsons Jam. What happened to the family who owned it, think it was the Porters, Tom and his sons William and "?" ? Does anyone have any photos of the owners?
Has anyone had any luck with the employee archives? I may also try to find out about the staff.
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Hello
I wrote to Premier Foods and also to Hartley's who took over Nelson's but I received no reply.
Pat
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The term "Traffic Jam" started and was invented one day when a Lorry from the Jam factory collided with the traffic lights at the junction of Long Lane and the East Lancs road.
The traffic news reporter on BBC Radio Merseyside said that there was a two mile tail back of traffic on the East Lancs Road.