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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Tatty5 on Friday 21 March 08 08:29 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help with a description of what Grove Street in Glasgow (Milton? Cowcaddens?) looked like in 1875. I've tried trawling the web but have found nothing that really indicates the nature of the area at that time. Was the street in tenements, now demolished? Was there an orphanage or hospital there?
The address I am particularly interested in is 36 Grove Street - it is where the death of 17 year old Jane Irving is recorded, an orphan, of tuberculosis.
The certificate is witnessed by her uncle who was living in Kirkfieldbank, near Lanark, with whom she was living at the 1871 census.
Thanks!
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There are some great old Glasgow pictures here:
www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php
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Grove Street ran from Garscube road to Gardner Street and no longer exists.
The only building of any real note in the street is the Grove Street Institute but that does not seem to have been a residential establishment.
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Checking the valuation rolls for 1913 admittedly a good bit after your dates shows that at that time No 36 Grove Street was a tenement building
http://www.theglasgowstory.co.uk/valimage.php?inum=TGSV16064&t=2
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Apologies for the delay in acknowleging your replies - I have been away and haven't had a chance to respond.
But thanks, aghadowey and Falkryn, for your information - it is much appreciated.
Kind regards
:)
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Hi
I was born at 48 Grove Street 1942 and stayed there till 1952.
Regards
Bill Woods
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Hi Again
36 Grove Street was a tenement.
Regards
Bill Woods
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Hi Bill
Thanks for your information. I'm intrigued why my "orphan" was living in Grove Street - but I guess I will never know... perhaps census returns will suggest an answer.
Kind regards
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Hi, My family lived at 55 Grove Street - my great grandmother Matilda Taft, her son Matthew Taft (Currie) and my father stayed with them Harry (Henry Birnie). Dad has passed away and if you have any memories of them or the area I would be really interested.
Thanks
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My grandad was born at 41 grove street in 1914 , and my grt granny died in 1951 and she lived at number 55 .
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Scottish Post Office Directories - on line
http://www.nls.uk/family-history/directories/post-office
Searchable PDF files
regards
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Many thanks for the link. Most useful
T
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My grandfather was born at 22 Grove Street, Glasgow
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Hi Tatty5.
Can't really help out with info, but just wanted to share.
I am researching a couple of ancestors which lived in that street also.
One relative and her husband (Ann and James Boyd) lived at 35 Grove Street. Both of them also died of tuberculosis. Ann died in 1875, and James in 1878.
So it would be highly likely that they knew each other (our ancestors that is).
Her brother (John McLeish) lived a couple of houses up at 29 Grove Street. He also died in 1878 of tuberculosis.
Sounds like there was a bit of it going around at the time.
I am also on the hunt for some photos or pictures. I would love to see what the area was like in those days
Regards.
JKH
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Dear JKH
Thanks for your note. I would also love to have pix of the street at that time. The interesting thing for me is that my family member was a young orphan when she died. Her mother had already died of tuberculosis some years earlier and her father, described when he married as a grocer, had disappeared with no record (although there were reports of a man with the same name having drowned in the Clyde at the 'right' time - but what are the chances that he is the same man?!). So the question for me was how my family member was surviving, who was she living with at the time since all other immediate family members were in South Lanarkshire. Maybe your ancestors were there for her! It would be nice to think so......
Best wishes
Tatty5
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Hi Tatty5.
Just a thought - you may have already looked into this, but I was wondering - if you could manage to get hold of the census sheet for that street in 1871, this may tell you the names of the people living at number 36 in 1871. Its possible that your orphan was sent to them after her parents died.
Its a bit of a long shot as the people living there in 1871 may not be the same people living there is '75, but I guess if the names are familiar to you (eg an Uncle or Grandparent), it would probably be a safe bet.
Only thing is, that I haven't actually seen any Scottish census forms (I am getting my Scottish census info from a site which just shows the transcript, not the actual form), I know with the English Census forms, that they show details of the whole street (or as much of one that can fit on one form). Not sure if the Scottish census forms are the same.
I think you can get the actual Scottish Census details from ScotlandsPeople for a fee.
If you want, I can give you the details of my ancestors which lived at 35. This should allow you to look up the street form, and you can go from there.
Regards
JKH
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Hi
3 generations of my family lived at 41 Grove Street around 1869 - 1899. Weirdly though, during that period, one of them is also listed as living at 41 BURNSIDE Street - does anyone know if these were the same street - renamed briefly?
Re your orphan ancestor - I discovered a family of 3 children living with no parents (mother dead / father left for Melbourne) around 1864 and they were looked after by a neighbour for a while. A well-meaning member of the public applied for Poor Relief for them and they were whipped off to the local orphanages despite their neighbour being devoted to them - Check the Poor Relief Applications at the Mitchell Library, Glasgow - there's a wealth of information there.
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Tatty, just further to this, .. aged 17 your ancestor was probably not considered a child - she could have been working for a while already and may have left her childhood home for work, lodging in Cowcaddens. The Cowcaddens area was home to a few power loom factories and many women were employed as power loom weavers. One picture in the Mitchell archive describes the tenements in the area as "slums" (albeit they probably were by the time the photo was taken in 1925).
Pics of 41 Burnside Street:
http://www.mitchelllibrary.org/virtualmitchell/index.php?a=street&s=gallery&key=rYToxOntpOjA7czoxMToiQnVybnNpZGUgU3QiO30=
Check the census for that address in 1871 - were lodgers living there?
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Hi Lynn,
Burnside Street used to run parallel to Grove Street.
See the map that someone posted in the first page of messages.
My GGGrandfather lived on Burnside St just before he married my GGGrandmother who lived on Grove St.
Thanks for the extra info too, am keen to have a look at it.
Regards
Julie
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I have a 1st cousin 3x removed who lived at 30 Grove St from at least 1881 - 1901
he was John Kennedy a blacksmith, if anybody can provide any further detail I'd be grateful
best wishes
Tkgafs
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I had a relative living in 24 Grove Street in 1920. He was Eddie Alexander McKnight and he would have been living there from the late 1980's. He was married to an Esther [Cissie] and I think they left Grove Street then as I have a Christmas card from her in 1921 from 568 Phonix Park, Port Dundas. They had a son Peter Barclay McKnight and a son Lawrence. I am in contact with their grandson so I will ask him if he has any photos of the area. He lives in Glasgow and I live in Australia. I googled the address and there was a result but I think the area has been redeveloped.
Esther [nee Barclay] was my aunty, my father's[Duncan] sister. My father came out to Australia in 1927 with my Uncle Johnnie and my grandfather Peter and my step-grandmother. Essie had a sister Margaret [Meg], a brother John and a younger brother Peter who we have lost contact with as he was given to an Aunty Jean and Uncle Arthur after my grandmother died in about 1911 in Glasgow.
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jkhansen20
Must have been bad years for that address. My ggggrandparents Alexander Campbell and Janet Stevenson died in 1875 and 1878 at 35 Grove St, both of Bronchitis.
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Hi my grandad was born in 1926 and I no his family lived in 41 grove street they were mcquade if anyone can help with finding out a bit more about my family my grandad was called Robert Allen mcquade
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My maternal grandparents were married at 35 Grove St on10th October 1914.
Margaret