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Hi
I'm writing up my family research & realize I have quite a big gap around one of the main lines the Lamb Family originally from Croydon but they seem to have moved to London by the late 1700s.
There were quite a few children to John Lamb & his wife Elizabeth Shorey. They both died before the 1841 census but I hope their children were still alive & kicking then. I would be very grateful for any glimpses into what they were doing.
1. Eliza the eldest was born 18 Dec 1786 and ch. St Antholin, Budge Row, London She died 21 Aug 1786 in Camberwell.
2. Jane Elizabeth b. 28 Aug 1788 & ch St Antholin, Budge Row she married William Reeves & I already have their 1841 census (she died in 1849).
3. John was b 18 Apr 1790 Ch St Antholin Budge Row
4. Ann was b 21 Nov 1791 Ch 22 Dec 1791 St Antholin Budge Row, she died in Nov 1881 in the Greenwich District.
5. William Bailey Lamb b: 25 Jan 1794 ch: 25 Feb 1794 St Antholin Budge Row.
6.Lucy - only listed in an old family tree I have never been able to find her.
7.Richard b: 17 Jul 1796 ch: 17 Aug 1796 St Katherine Colman London
8.George Lamb ch 17 Dec 1800 St Katherine Colman London - I think he might have died in infancy
9.Sophia: b: 5 Dec 1802 ch: 6 Jan 1803 St Katherine Colman died 31 Nov 1854 10 Grafton St Clapham - I already have her in the 1851 census living with her Reeves nieces.
11. Ellen b: 8 Feb 1805 died 19 Aug 1901 apparently m a Henry Cavendish who was b 1797 d 26 March 1877 - but my details about Ellen except for her death in the BMDs are from some old handwritten family notes.
Well I know this is a lot but I would be VERY GRATEFUL for ANY help with the above. I'd love to know what any of them were up to in 1841 or beyond .
Thank you so much.
Liz
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Here's Ellen Cavendish in 1881 and 1891......
RG11/600/106/41
Lambeth, Surrey, England
16 Cleaver St
Henry P. Jones 70 Head Labourer born London, Middlesex
Elizabeth A. Jones 60 Wife born Greenwich, Kent,
Caroline Heard 64 Widow Visitor Charwoman born London, Middlesex
Mary Dormer 62 Widow Boarder Charwoman born Southwark, Surrey
Ellen Cavendish 76 Widow Lodger Honorable born Camberwell Surrey
Joseph Beck 27 Unmarr Lodger Tram Conductor born Surrey
RG12/1344/93/14
Leyton, Essex, England
6 Chester Tce
Ellen Cavendish 86 Head widow private income born Camberwell
She doesn't show up on any other censuses as Ellen Cavendish......so I'll search for other spellings and age ranges.....
dee
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Liz....
Only Ellen Cavendish that shows born 1805 up + or - 10 years for 1841 is born in Ireland.
One interesting thing in light of the 1881 Census though....there are 4 Cavendish entries for that age range that are listed as Hon. Given name Cavendish!
Then in 1861 I think this might be her....though her age is out by ten years.......
RG9/658/4/ 3
Newchurch, Hampshire, England
15 Belvedere St
William Perkins 26 Head Journeyman Butcher born Isle of Wight
Harriett Perkins 28 Wife born Isle of Wight
Henry Cavendish 63 Lodger Nobleman London, England
Ellen Cavendish 46 Lodger Nobleman's wife London, England
???
.....dee
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Wow, now why would a "noblewoman" be lodging with a butcher & a labourer!!
Hmmm - I feel a story there!
Thank you so much Dee.
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My eyes really boggled at that one, Liz......I'd have said "porkies" but I keep seeing all these Cavendish Lady this and Sir that and honorables as well! ;D ;D ;D
There's this Ellen in 1841 under Reeves.....
HO107/1051/8/28/5
St Giles Camberwell, Surrey, England
Grove Terrace
Francis Reeves 65 Ind
Louisa Reeves 35 Ind
John Reeves 30 Ind
Hannah Reeves 30 Ind born in county
Ellen Reeves 30 Ind born in county
Mary Coombs 20 F S
Margaret Hunt 55 F S
All others not born in county
Don't know if I'm helping much here though..... :-\
.....dee
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Dee you're being a GREAT help thank you. Ellen should be under Ellen Lamb though it was Jane Elizabeth who married a William Reeves. Sorry I probably wasn't clear in my notes all those 11 children were Lambs.
Apologies for any confusion - or am I not getting something here??
many thanks again Dee
Liz
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Oh dear I just looked back at my original posting there was a typo Ellen was Ellen Lamb not Reeves.
Many apologies!
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;D ;D ;D
I thought I was going cross-eyed for a few moments! ;)
1841 is so difficult because it doesn't give places of birth....and they could all well be married. :-\
.....dee
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Think I might finally have found a couple of them in 1841......but there's not much information.....
HO107/1050/3/49/21
St Giles Camberwell, Surrey
Grove Place (I think)
Eliza Lamb 50
Ann Lamb 45
Can't read whether they are born in county or not..... :-\
.....dee
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Great!! That does look like 2 of the girls.
Thank you! We're on the right track now!
I should also mention Sophia described herself as a Governess in the 1851 census when she was living with her nieces. So she might have been with a completely different family in 41.
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There's no other Lambs that come up for 1841 that I feel happy to post, Liz.
I will just add this one however.....
HO107/721/11/9/11
St Katherine Cree Church, Middlesex, England
Leadenhall St
Sophia Lamb 30 FS
May Pearman 20 FS
Betsey Fuller 15 FS
Martha Jennings 60 FS
Bella Camfield 30 FS
I keep seeing Lambs with the correct given names but born in Ireland!
Maybe someone else can help out. :-\
.....dee
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Dee, You have been amazing thank you again for all your help.
I'm showing by ignorance here but can someone tell me what "FS" in the last census result stands for??
I wonder what the boys were up to in 1841?? I can't seem to find them anywhere other than the initial Parish records for their christenings except for William Bailey Lamb.
Many thanks
Liz
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F S = Female Servant, Liz.
Too many Johns, Williams and even Richards, and none that stand out as possibly being the ones you are looking for.
I can find Ellens and Sophias born Ireland in Camberwell, but none that were born in England that seem likely. :-\
.....dee
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Thank you so much for looking though Dee.
Jane Elizabeth married a man who was quite well off so it has been interesting to see such a "diverse" bunch!!.
I did mean it you have been amazing & I'm very grateful!
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Hi, 1841 census 1058 11/41 Brook St.Lambeth
Richard Lamb 45 working Jeweller not born in county
Sarah Lamb 20 no occ. given " " "
Next household as given as Ind.
Elizabeth Hancock 70 Ind yes
Enos 35 Ind. yes
Elithabeth Abram? 14 no occ. given yes
Jennifer
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Many thanks Jennifer that very sounds promising Ind= Independant doesn't it?
I really am a beginner aren't I!
I suppose Sarah could be a daughter or a very young wife :) !
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Forgot I had found William Bailey Lamb had emigrated to Australia in 1853. He was already married to a Mary Ann at that time and they had a son Corbyn in 1832 so they should be all together in the 1841 census (?) I hope :-\
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Do you have William Lamb's Australian information, Liz? ???
.....dee
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Sorry Dee - I've been away.
WILLIAM BAILEY LAMB Male
Event(s):Birth: 25 JAN 1794
Christening: 25 FEB 1794 Saint Antholin Budge Row, London, London, England
Parents:Father: JOHN LAMB Mother: ELIZABETH
He married MARY ANN CORBYN - from an old tree archived at the Museum which also said he emigrated to South Australia & died in Adelaide South Australia) I have Corbyn Lamb's wife's emigration details that I definitely have she arrived in Australia in 1853 4 years before she & Corbyn married.
William & Mary Ann had a child Corbyn Lamb
CORBYN LAMB and ELIZABETH COCK: Marriage: 15 Jan 1857, St Paul Church, Port Adelaide, South Australia & they had many children in South Australia.
I have Corbyn Lamb's wife's emigration details that I definitely have she arrived in Australia in 1853 4 years before she & Corbyn married.
many thanks
Liz
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Liz, I can see 9 children registered to Corbin Lamb and Elizabeth Cock. Do you have their birth details or would you like me to post them?
.....dee
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Thanks Dee I have them. Thank you very much for looking though.
Liz
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You're welcome! :D
....dee
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Eureka! I just found your posts and am ecstatic to find some background on my 3rd G G grandfather on my mother's father's side.
I can give you some details about his life in Australia.
William Bailey Lamb and Mary Ann came out to Australia in 1829 on the Marquis of Anglesea with three children and two servants. They were among the first 500 settlers in Swan River (now Fremantle) Western Australia. Corbin was born here. Mary Ann committed suicide in 1844 and the family moved to South Australia. I have lots more information but I need to find an easy way to transfer it from my Legacy files.
I have been searching high and low for some mention of William or Mary Ann's background.
In their marriage records she is listed as Cosbin - but that is a mistake. Sometimes she is referred to in Australian records as Margaret.
I understand one of her relatives got a medal for bravery in the 1700s for saving someone from drowning in the Thames - I am looking for more details on that too.
Anyway, I will leave it at that for now - your posts are quite old. Hopefully I can help you pick up some of the threads again.
Best wishes
Carmel in South Australia
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Hi Carmel
How lovely to find a relative of the Lamb's. I've sent you a personal message with my contact details. I will look forward to hearing from you.
Many thanks
Liz
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I have just come across this thread, and it appears to connect with some research I have been doing on a family in the Flinders Ranges (my area of historical research). Their great grandmother was a Nellie Lamb Conway, and the name Lamb has been a bit of a puzzle. I have found that Nellie was the daughter of John Nixon Conway and Beatrice Tortoise. John Nixon Conway was the son of William Thomas Conway and Cora Matilda Lamb.
Cora Matilda Lamb was the daughter of William Bailey Lamb and Mary Ann. She is listed as their child on the passenger list of the Marquis of Anglesea. She married William Thomas Conway in 1846 at Fremantle; their son John Nixon Conway was born in 1847, and William Thomas Conway died that same year. She remarried in 1854 to Edward Newman. She is listed as the wife of Edward Newman in the 1867 advertisement re the estate of Elizabeth Matilda Corbin of Clapham, Surrey (although I think Cora had died by then?).
My sources have been the SA BDM CDs, the SA Biographical Index, the WA Online BDMs and backup material from the NLA's Trove online newspaper site.
There's a large amount of Trove newspaper material on the various parts of this family, which you have probably come across - Corbin Lamb in SA, Edmund Lamb in Sydney, William Lamb in Fremantle, John Nixon Conway in Port Augusta SA. And of course Edward Newman. There was also Cora Lamb, daughter of Corbin, who featured in a number of quite informative newspaper articles in South Australia over the years.
How does this fit in with your collective knowledge of William Bailey Lamb's family and descendants? I can provide my source information where needed.
Frank
in Adelaide South Australia
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Hi Frank
What a great suprise - how lovely to hear from you!
I'll send you a personal message to give you my email address so we can exchange information if you would like.
many thanks
Liz
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Hello Frank
Thank you for your information about the Lambs. You seem to have a thread for the Corbin side which is a blank for me prior to Mary Ann's marriage to William. I have been corresponding with Liz so it would be good to collate the information we each have.
Regards
Carmel
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Thank you for this information - these are my relatives
cheers K. Farrington (nee Conway) - Adelaide SA
My father is Christopher Maitland Conway, my grandfather is Norman Maitland Conway, my great grandfather is Lionel Nixon Conway, my great great grandfather is John Nixon Conway and my great great great grandfather is William Thomas Conway. From the information here my great great great great grandfather is William Bailey Lamb.
Does anyone have any information on where William Thomas Conway came from. I can see he married Cora Matilda Lamb in 1846 and then died in the same year their son John Nixon Conway was born.
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Hello lovely to hear from a distant relative. I don't know where William Conway came from the only information I found out about him was that he was a first mate. I found the following article through the Trove web site, you may already have this of course.
THE WESTERN AUSTRALIAN JOURNAL - SATURDAY, DECEMBER l8, 1847.
During the time the Champion was lying at the Sound, a melancholy accident happened, by which the lives of the mate, Mr Conway Baine and Kaine, two seamen, and a native lost their lives on the 2nd inst. It appears that during the absence of the party who went to Cape Riche, and who were accompanied by Lieut. Helpman, a native prisoner, suffering from disease, was sent on board by the Resident, for the purpose of trying the effect of change of air; his moaning however proved such a constant annoyance to the crew, that it was determined to take him on shore again; for this purpose Mr. Conway and the two men started from the vessel with him, but had not proceeded far before a sudden squall came on, and the sheet being it is supposed, fastened, the boat was swamped, drowning all on board, who were with one exception, good swimmers, yet were not seen to struggle, excepting Kaine who was shortly after picked up insensible, but all the efforts of Mr Wight for his restoration proved unavailing. The other bodies were not found for some days, when Lieut. Helpman fired a gun over the spot and from the concussion, the bodies rose to the surface about two hours afterwards. Mr Conway was much respected and had been mate of the vessel for five years; he has left a widow and one child, for whose benefit a subscription was generously and promptly raised by the residents at the Sound, amounting to £56; a subcription paper is also being handed about Perth and Fremantle, which we hope to find will meet with good success from the charitable feeling of our settlers.
There is a longer version of this article on the Trove web site if you are interested.
I hope this helps
Liz
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Yes great to hear from a distant relative -
Thank you for that information, I didn't have that article.
I have had a read, sad news.
I actually did find that William and Cora's son is recorded on birth records as William John Nixon Conway born 1847. Appears he was known as John Nixon Conway who made his way to Port Augusta and married Beatrice Tortoise (daughter of John Sutton Tortoise and Emma Stanton Tortoise (nee Mallet). I saw that when something happened in John Nixon Conway's family, birth etc , a note was made to copy to Western Australia Papers, so his mother Cora Matilda Lamb obviously remained in Western Australia with her next husband Edward Newman and their children.
I have found that John Nixon Conway and Beatrice had seven daughters (1 x died at 3 years) and three sons - the sons were my great grandfather Lionel St. Barte Nixon Conway, Norman Roy Corbin Conway, and Maitland Tortoise Crofton Conway.
I always wondered where my father's middle name Maitland came from?
Saw that Crofton's army record reveals his first name as Maitland.
Regards,
Karen
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Hi again Karen
I'll send you a personal message with my email if you like so we can exchange information. Now I don't have certificates for most of these but found the information from WA online BMDs, trove, etc. I hope it helps. I hadn't looked at this side in a while but I revisited it yesterday. I'm not sure
Yes John Nixon Conway still had relatives (half siblings, stepfather, etc) in Western Australia but his Mother died in 1861, so it probably wasn't for her sake they copied newpaper notices.
Cora Matilda Lamb m Edward Newman in 1854 then had 4 children; Edward in 1855 Mary 6 Sep 1856, Matilda in 1858 and Cora Mina in 1860
Cora died in 1861 and Edward Newman remarried 13 Oct 1863 to Ellen Wood (Ellen died 19 Jun 1887 aged 60).
Of the 4 children:
Edward m. Mary Ann Mason in 1881 he died 19 Jan 1937 in Fremantle
Mary m 14 F eb 1888 to Augustus Sandford Keats Roe (1852-1921) and they had 2 boys John Edward & Douglas
Matilda ? I'm not sure yet what happened to her
Cora Minna Newman m 18 Mar 1889 to Daniel Tootal and they had 3 children Edward, Mary & Matilda Broadhurst
Mary Roe's death was widely written about as she died after an accidental shooting on a launch. The gun her son had went off - there are several articles on Trove
William Bailey Lamb's wife Mary Ann's death was also written about as she shot herself by attaching some stay lace to a gun :( poor woman.
Hope this is of interest
Liz
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Thankyou for the about information! Cora & Daniel's son Edward is my Gr Grandfather :)