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Title: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: lindyloobags on Sunday 16 March 08 13:03 GMT (UK)
Can anyone identify this army uniform? :)
Cheers, Lindyloo


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Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: neil1821 on Sunday 16 March 08 13:57 GMT (UK)
We need a bit more detail on the cap badge really.
The image is very small (file size not physical size) and hence no great detail.
Can you rescan at a higher resolution?
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: mmm45 on Sunday 16 March 08 16:56 GMT (UK)
With his overseas Chevrons id date it 1918 or later.

Ady
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: scrimnet on Sunday 16 March 08 19:53 GMT (UK)
With his overseas Chevrons id date it 1918 or later.

Ady

Indeed!

Look at his turn ups and lack of puttees!!

But yes, a high resolution scan of the badge would be ideal!
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: scrimnet on Sunday 16 March 08 19:54 GMT (UK)
Also a scan of his collars pse....

I think I can see some collar dogs...
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: lindyloobags on Sunday 16 March 08 22:39 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone, thanks for all your helpful suggestions, attached is my best effort (which still isn't very clear) so don't worry if you are unable to give me any more clues and thanks again.

Lindy :(
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 16 March 08 22:49 GMT (UK)
Could it be the intelligence corps ??

Kev.
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 16 March 08 22:50 GMT (UK)
Could it be Loyal North Lancs ?

Do you know his name Lindy?
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: lindyloobags on Sunday 16 March 08 22:53 GMT (UK)
Soz, don't know his name but the other person in the original photo is my grandfather and he lived in Hebburn Tyne & Wear and am assuming the photo was taken in Newcastle upon Tyne.  Thought it may be the DLI but he does look very important (and formidable!) doesn't he.  :)
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: neil1821 on Sunday 16 March 08 22:59 GMT (UK)
I have to say, going on shape alone from what we can see of the cap badge, it looks to me vaguely maple leaf shaped. So General Service/Universal pattern Canadian cap badge?
A few typical examples here:
http://www.mpmuseum.org/ww1badge1.html

Any Canadian connection in the family?

That's my best guess anyway.

Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: ShaunJ on Sunday 16 March 08 23:02 GMT (UK)
It could be DLI but the badge just looks too symmetrical.

Might they be brothers ? Can you post your grandfather's surname?
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: lindyloobags on Sunday 16 March 08 23:04 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all comments - no canadian in the family that I know of, I must say I am now very curious, my grandfather was called James Robert Livingston.  :) :)
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: lindyloobags on Sunday 16 March 08 23:06 GMT (UK)
Sorry forgot to say my grandfather was an only child as far as I know, his mother died when he was 3 years old and cannot find any trace of his father after she died. :) :)
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: neil1821 on Sunday 16 March 08 23:18 GMT (UK)
No, definitely not DLI. The bugle horn is always immediately obvious in a light infantry badge.





Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: scrimnet on Sunday 16 March 08 23:19 GMT (UK)
Could it be the intelligence corps ??

Kev.

No...that badge which I'm afraid is quite unlike the one pictured was not known until past 1940 after the Corps was formed...

It could be DLI but the badge just looks too symmetrical.

Might they be brothers ? Can you post your grandfather's surname?

No no the DLI either, nothing like a Bugle Horn I'm afraid...

I have to say, going on shape alone from what we can see of the cap badge, it looks to me vaguely maple leaf shaped. So General Service/Universal pattern Canadian cap badge?
A few typical examples here:
http://www.mpmuseum.org/ww1badge1.html

Any Canadian connection in the family?

That's my best guess anyway.



Yep I'd say Canadian, but perhaps 18th or 19th Bn CEF Western Ontario...

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l102/scrimnet/18thCEF.jpg)
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: scrimnet on Sunday 16 March 08 23:36 GMT (UK)
Soz, don't know his name but the other person in the original photo is my grandfather and he lived in Hebburn Tyne & Wear and am assuming the photo was taken in Newcastle upon Tyne.  Thought it may be the DLI but he does look very important (and formidable!) doesn't he.  :)

I actually thought that the standing chap is quite younger than the seated one...He looks prematurely aged...He has that 1000 yard stare in his eyes and he is quite gaunt...

The standing chap looks quite pleased to see him though
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: Kevwood on Sunday 16 March 08 23:47 GMT (UK)
Could it be the intelligence corps ??

Kev.

No...that badge which I'm afraid is quite unlike the one pictured was not known until past 1940 after the Corps was formed...
Not according to their website or wikipedia which both say formed 1914!!

And to me it clearly looks nothing like the Mable leaf that been posted as there is a shadow between the "side leaves" and centre section that makes it look like more of an oval shape in the centre, although i can see that it may be some sort of maple leaf.

Kev.

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Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: scrimnet on Monday 17 March 08 00:22 GMT (UK)
Could it be the intelligence corps ??

Kev.

No...that badge which I'm afraid is quite unlike the one pictured was not known until past 1940 after the Corps was formed...
Not according to their website or wikipedia which both say formed 1914!!

And to me it clearly looks nothing like the Mable leaf that been posted as there is a shadow between the "side leaves" and centre section that makes it look like more of an oval shape in the centre, although i can see that it may be some sort of maple leaf.

Kev.

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Well to my eyes..It is nothing like the Int Corps!!  ::) :P

Their badge is far too small to take up that much room on an SD Trench Cap...

The Int Corps existed in name only in WW1 and were formed by army order 112/40 which also held the sealed pattern for the cap badge...

I am surprised that you feel it is nothing like the one I have posted...You can see an oval in the middle... I see a circle with a crown...Rather like the one I have posted, and I'm afraid totally unlike the Int Corps...

Why may I ask is it clearly nothing like the Western Ontario??? You have lost me in your description of what you see.... ???
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: scrimnet on Monday 17 March 08 00:44 GMT (UK)
From the MOD website, which you quote....

http://www.army.mod.uk/linkedfiles/intelligencecorps/int_corps_history.pdf

"In due course police officers and other with suitable civilian qualifications were
employed as Field Security Police (either transferring to the 10th Fusiliers or  retaining their own cap badges)."

Ergo cannot be WW1 Int Corps....
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 17 March 08 16:46 GMT (UK)
Yes, i agree that its not the intelligence corps, it was just an initial guess.


I think it is a maple leaf and i think it has a crown, but i think on the photo it looks like there is quite a bit more definition between the leaves and the centre section than there is on the Western Ontario one.

Just what i see, doesn't mean im right :P

Kev.

Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: lindyloobags on Monday 17 March 08 19:59 GMT (UK)
Hi all, thanks very much for all your comments - it makes interesting reading.  Following on from the info you have given me and thinking that maybe the man in uniform could have been my greatgrandfather(?), and say he was part of the canadian military, any ideas on where I go from here to try and find out?

Lindy ;D ;D
Title: Re: Help in identifying army uniform
Post by: Kevwood on Monday 17 March 08 20:10 GMT (UK)
Hi, if he was in the CEF you might find him here

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/archivianet/cef/001042-100.01-e.php


Kev.