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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: tarnee on Sunday 16 March 08 04:30 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Could someone kindly help with this family, Frances is my 3xggrandmother.
Frances daughter of John and Anne Cockerill born Aug 4 Baptised Sept 8th 1798 Northampton All Saints.
Have tried IGI for John and Anne's marriage nothing. would appreciate any help with marriage and if possible other children and parents of the couple.
many thanks
Jean
in Australia
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Hi Jean
A possibility.
From the Northants marriage index.
Northampton St. Giles
24 Oct 1797
John COCKERILL otp to Ann ALLEN otp
Sandy
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Hi Sandy,
Thank you so much for the information.
You kindly helped before on my Seaby family (grave photo's), and l have been trying to even the family tree up. Its only now l have started this period and have found the brickwall, There was another Cockerill couple who had a daughter Frances born 1804 Gayton, then yesterday studying that info realised that on the 1841 census it says Frances Seaby(maiden name Cockerill) born All Saints and l did not pick this up at the time, also this one fits the age better. IGI has nothing thats fits time wise with the Cockerill Family so could not get back further.
By the way did you go to the fair this week end, last year you sent me the program, and we communicated over Steve Irwin.
Jean
in Australia
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Hi Jean :)
Thought it was you. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good job I got the photo from St Sep's.
Most of the ground has been cleared as one of the tree's hugh branches came
down last autumn, they have cleared the ground and have taken a lot of graves away.
Will have to take a new photograph and see if I can find out where the graves are now.
The F.H.F. was a small event. Last years was a 30th Anniversary one.
Sandy
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Hi Sandy,
l was so gratefully for the photo, just hope its not my graves they have cleared.
If you have a spare moment could you see if there is anymore info on Cockerill/Seaby of that time period as l say IGI has nothing and have googled looking for further avenues to research. Sorry to be so cheeky in asking.
kind regards
Jean
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Hello Jean:
Do you know of Frances' father John's siblings? I have extensive information about William Cockerill's descendants of this same era from this area, however I do not know if these family lines are connected or not. I would be very interested to examine this with you. Thank you.
Mary
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Hello Mary,
Thank you so much for getting in touch with me.
l must admit l have only got back to John and Frances was not sure of the family from there, being in Australia now l have found it hard, have found my file and am going through it now.
Jean
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Hello Mary,
Would one of John's sibling be Richard who married Elizabeth Wingrave on 1801 ?
l would be very grateful for any help with the Cotterill family, the Seaby side l have much more so two heads are better than one, looking forward to hearing back from you soon.
Jean
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Thank you for your quick reply! I only know for certain as far as William b. abt. 1760, and would very much like to find his parents, siblings, etc. He married Martha Talbot Feb. 2, 1789 at Brewood, Staffordshire, England and they had 3 children: John (1789) William (1791) and a daughter Frances (1792). I do not know if Frances married or any of her descendants, but I do know of John and William's - a very large family. A DNA project has also been done on this line. We know that William came to Staffordshire from another area in England, but haven't been able to definately connect him to another Cockerill family. The DNA project proved that our line is different from the Lancashire ones who went on to develop the big Steel Mill in Belgium.
You mention the Cotterill name - is this known to be connected to your Cockerill line?
I would be happy to work with you in any way that could assist either of us.
Mary
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Hi Mary,
Sorry l have not got back to you sooner as it has been Easter and l had family staying so impossible to do any search.
My mistake with the name Cotterill should have been Cockerill must read what l type in future.
Today l have gone through all my files, the Seaby side l have more information than on the Cockerill side. What l do have on the Cockerill l have not been able to tie together as being concrete information in turn l have not researched all of John and Frances children's names often they are a clue to grandparents and great grandparents. Frances Cockerill it states on her marriage to John is of this parish it being Northampton and John of Weston Flavell All Saints 29-Jul-1819.
As l have said being in Australia it is hard at times to get extra information l was lucky that someone found the headstones of John & Frances and sent me a photo.
l know this is not much help to you then again we both might have the same information and not know we have the correct family.
l am very happy to work with you and see if we can work out if our families are connected.
Jean
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Hello Jean, good to hear back from you. I live in Canada and we had what I hope will be the last snowstorm of the season over the weekend; we are looking forward to spring!
These are my ideas about investigating whether or not our Cockerill families are the same one or not:
- Being that my gggggrandfather William Cockerill is a brickwall for me, as your gggggrandfather John is for you, they do come from the same general area and the same era, and the children of both carry the same first names which can be a good indicator of the names of earlier generations, I would like to work with you to see if each of our family lines are one and the same, or not. I hope to find that they are brothers or cousins.
These are a couple of my current thoughts on how we might go about doing this, being that documented records for both cannot be found to date:
1. I would send you a list of my William's early descendants for your information to help you to follow who we are talking about when working through individual family members. I would need your e-mail address to do that. Also, similar information from you, if it isn't a lot of extra work for you to do, would help me to do the same. This seems like a good starting point for us. I would also appreciate whatever information you have about your John and also about the Richard you mentioned who married Elizabeth Wingrave in 1801, Richard possibly a brother or a cousin to one/ both of them??
2. Do you know of any current living male descendants of your gggggrandfather John Cockerill who would want to participate in the Cockerill DNA study that has been done and includes my branch of the Cockerill family and also of the Lancashire branch of the Cockerill family? That alone would determine if your branch is the same as either of those that have already taken part in it, and we would know if we're the same family or not.
3. Do you know of any direction connection the Cockerill family has with the one spelled Cotterill? I ask this because there are no Cockerill's in the area my gggggrandtather William lived in, but there are many Cotterill's recorded there and so I'm wondering if this is a point in time where the spelling changed??
Thanks again for all your time and attention with this!
Mary
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Hi I don't know if our cockerills are connected Northampton area ect please have a look at my tree on ancestry. Sarah Williamson. Might be of some use xx