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Am looking for information for Isabella Hedley born in Newburn c1819. She is not mentioned in the 1841 census so perhaps she died or was married. Does anyone have access to church records either at St Michaels and All Angels or All Saints in Newcastle. Her father was Thomas Hedley (grocer) of Newburn and his wife, Elizabeth Mayors.
Appreciate any information found.
Billie
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Hi
B.T.'s for some Newcastle Parishes are available to browse on http://www.labs.familysearch.org
Rosie
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I tried this site and for some reason, when I tried to download the flash player, it just wouldn't take. This could have something to do with the fact that I have dialup internet only...I live in the wild of Canada!
Thanks anyway...Billie
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Please see information already given on this link to avoid any duplication
http://www.rootschat.com/links/02zh/
Barbara :)
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The BVRI gives an Isabella Hedley baptism in Newcastle All Saints for 20 Oct 1819 d/o Thomas and Elizabeth.
FHL Film 1068962
There are quite a few in All Saints to Thomas and Elizabeth including Anne Mayors Hedley born 8 April 1812 baptised 27 Dec 1812 1st daughter of d/o Thomas Hedley, grocer of Newburn and Elizabeth d/o William Mayors smith of Jarrow
Janis
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That's great Janis, you hadn't been able to find those on the last thread, probably because Newburn was specified, not Newcastle, excellent, Billie will be pleased
Barbara :)
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One would logically think they would have used Newburn parish church and not gone into Newcastle if he had a business in Newburn unless they lived in Newcastle and he just had a business in Newburn.
Janis
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I believe that they lived in Newburn as the children were born there according to all the censuses. Father Thomas was also born there.
I thank you forthe baptismal date of Isabella. I have not been able to find any more information about her...did she die prior to the 1841 census as she is not listed with her siblings and mother...or did she marry? I looked on free bmd but could not seem to locate her there either.
May I ask...what is BVRI and how does one access it?
Thanks...Billie
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The BVRI is the British Isles Vital Record Index. It is a set of Cd's put out by the LDS from extrated record--births and marriages. Most of these entries do not show when you do a search on Family search.
If you want the baptism dates of the children you mentioned I can look them up.
Burials I do not know about. Isabella does not appear in Newburn burials up to 1839 which is where one of my indexes ends.
Janis
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Can't see Isabella in the National burial index before 1841
Barbara
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Thanks...she probably married ....will keep looking!!
Billie
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As for baptismal lookups...any help is appreciated.
Billie
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Newcastle All Saints
Elizabeth Hedley 1 Feb 1814 d/o Thomas, grocer, and Elizabeth of Manor Chare
Thomas Hedley 7 Nov 1815 s/o Thomas, grocer, and Elizabeth of Manor Chare
Ann Hedley 9 July 1817 d/o Thomas, grocer, and Elizabeth of Manor Chare
Isabella Hedley 20 Oct 1819 d/o Thomas, grocer, and Elizabeth of Manor Chare
These were checked with the Bishop's Transcripts.
There are many other Hedley baptisms with parents names of Thomas and Elizabeth past this date but his occupation was a mason.
Janis
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Hi Janis...
Thanks again for the information. May I please ask...what does Manor Chare mean? I have never heard this.
I also find it interesting that although Thomas and Elizabeth and the children lived in Newburn, it seemed that they worshipped at All Saints instead of St Michaels and All Angels in Newburn. At least, the children were baptized at All Saints. I believe that when Thomas died in 1833, he was buried at St Michaels and All Angels.
Billie
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Manor Chare is an address of where the children were born. A chare is a narrow street I believe or at least that is an archaic term for it.
Janis
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Janis...would this be a place in Newburn? Does every town have a Manor Chare?
Billie
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I believe that when Thomas died in 1833, he was buried at St Michaels and All Angels.
Newburn burials (from the Bishops Transcripts)
Thomas Hedley, (abode) Newburn, (buried) December 27th 1833 (aged) 47 years.
Jennifer
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Janis...would this be a place in Newburn?
Manor Chare was in Newcastle on Tyne (Parish of All Saints). Definitely not in Newburn.
Does every town have a Manor Chare?
No - I think I'm right in saying that this street name was unique to Newcastle on Tyne.
Jennifer
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I am now in the process of trying to find out if Thomas Mayors Hedley was baptized in Newburn or Newcastle (All Saints) c1825. He would be Isabella's brother.
Thanks
Billie
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He does not appear in the BVRI for Newcastle All Saints nor does he appear in my index of Newburn baptisms 1813-1839.
Janis
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Oops! Made a typo...William Mayors (sp) Hedley born c1825 in Newburn.
Thanks...Billie
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There is a William Mayors Hedley baptised in Newburn 6 March 1825. My index did not have the middle name but the Bishop's transcript has it written in on the side, father Thomas grocer.
There are other children attributed to a Thomas and Elizabeth couple. One for Sarah Weatherburn states Thomas is a Shopkeeper. There was a Mary said Thomas was a clerk. Entries for Newburn will have to be looked at from the parish record and the father's occupation.
Janis
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Hi Janis,
Thanks for the last information. William was my 3x gg.
In the 1841 census, Elizabeth hedley is shown as a widow and the following children are shown at home with her:
Ann, Sarah, Richard, Mary, George and Frances.
I am sure that Sarah and Sarah Wetherburn Hedley are the same person.
William , I cannot find on the 1841 census but because he was a mariner, he may have been at sea. By the 1851 census he is married and I have the marriage certificate.
I do not know why some entries state that Thomas is a grocer and others say he is a shopkeeper...are they not one and the same?
I must say that I find it interesting that the first 6 children are baptized in All Saints and the last 5 children are baptized in St Michaels in Newburn.
I do know that Thomas and Elizabeth were married in Jarrow and that Frances Hedley married her first cousin!
Certainly tedious work but very addictive!
Billie
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Billie,
Have found this posting you made earlier this year and are wondering, do you know why Sarah was given the middle name of "Wetherburn" ?
As we have number of "Weatherburn" relations, is this a grandparents surname or have you not traced any connection so far ?
Thanks,
Al & Al
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I have no idea where the name Wetherburn came from...it is something that I have puzzled over as there seems to be no connection to the name in the Hedley family.
Billie
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Billie,
Many thanks for your reply and we also wonder where the name was taken from.
If we find any clues in our continuing searches for this family name, we will let you know.
Regards,
Al & Al
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Sarah Weatherburn Hedley was my husband's gg grandmother. We have a copy of her marriage certificate to one Thomas Stephens, mariner, in 1850. They were married at St. Hilda's in South Shields. Her father, Thomas Hedley, is noted as a grocer but, it seems, was deceased by this date. We were very interested to read the information about her family. We, also, have no idea where the Weatherburn comes from but we do have a chest, possibly seagoing, with the initials SWS in nails on the lid. Janis mentioned seeing the entry for her birth/baptism at Newburn. We would be so grateful if someone has time to let us have the details of that entry and those of any siblings baptised at Newburn.
Aisey
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Hi there...thanks for the note. The father of Sarah was my 5x gg...Thomas a grocer and his wife Elizabeth Mayors. I do have information at home but until the middle of April, I will not have access to it as I am away for the winter. I do know that she did indeed marry Thomas Stephens. Do you belong to Genes Reunited? Where do you live? If you like, you may contact me at mt email.
Billie
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Sorry, we do not belong to Genes Reunited. Am new to all this. Will wait until you are home. We are in the UK. Enjoy your winter break!
Aisey
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Just a bit of info.
Quite often middle names especially when surnames are the Mothers or grandmothers of either sides maiden name.
This is not always so unfortunately in my own case ::)
My ancesters were a Mary Newby who married a William Leggett. One of their children was named Elizabeth Loutid Leggett.
With lots of help found Elizabeth was given the name from her Mothers sisters married name, Elizabeth Loutidd nee Newby.
Trish
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Thank you, Trish. We've discovered quite a few middle names like this, which can help you be sure you have the right family. However, Weatherburn seems still to be a mystery but I've learnt that we sometimes proceed with small steps and occasionally in big leaps. Discovering this site, by googling "Thomas Hedley-grocer" has helped immensely when I'd hit a brick wall1 Thank you to everyone on the Hedley family trail!
Aisey
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In our case, ithe mother was Elizabeth Mayors and the the father was Thomas Hedley. I have never seen any mention of Sarah's middle name of Wetherburn (sp). I have information on the family members of Elizabeth and no person on her side of the family has this name. Also, it was not mentioned on the Hedley side of the family either.
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Hi All,
MM this is interesting ;D
Wetherburn, Weatherburn and even your surname interests table Billie has WELLBURN.
Hope you all sort it out.
Have you tried Hugh Wallis Middle Names site? Maybe you will find a link.
Cheers,
Trish
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Different sides of the family....paternal and maternal. Thanks for the tip though... I will check out the site.
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Dear billie
When you get home I would appreciate the details of the death/burial of Elizabeth Hedley, nee Mayors, wife of Thomas, the grocer, if you have them.
Thanks
Aisey
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I will... I am in Florida and have all my notes at home.
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Delighted to find this site by accident! Sarah Weatherburn (Wedderburn!) is my gg grannie and I am just finding out about her. Her son William was a mariner and had a "fling" with a young tea traveller 20 years his junior which resulted in my grandfather! I am desperate to find out more about Sarah's son William Saunders Stephens. On the topic of middle names, Saunders came from the paternal grandmother's maiden name.
Does anyone know anything about Jane Inlock? I can find no-one else with that surname - anywhere at anytime! I wonder if somewhere along the line there was a transcription error.
Anyway, if anyone wants to get in touch please do and if you need research in South Wiltshire, UK let me know and I'll see what I can do.
Susan ::)
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Very pleased to hear of someone else related to Sarah. How much information have you got on the Stephens side? We have your William born in 1855/6 in South Shields and died 13 Dec 1901 in Gateshead. He was a seaman, apprenticed in 1871, a boatswain on "Tynemouth Castle", Kent in 1881, a seaman in 1891 and a gas fitter in 1901.
Census information Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.co.uk
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Sadly your William is not my William!
I realised when I got his death date that he couldn't be mine as my William had a son born in 1903.
Back to the drawing board.
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Dear Susan
Not necessarily! We may be wrong about the death. Is any of the information O.K.? Certainly our Sarah had a son called William Saunders Stephens. Do you know anything about his father Thomas's parents?
You asked about Jane Inlock? Who is she? We have a Ruth Unlock, who was Thomas, Sarah's father's grandmother.
Aisey
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Hello Billie,
Isabella Hedley married Elias Shaw Apr-Jun 1849. They had 1 son, James Henry Shaw born 1850.
She also married John William George (my GG Grandfather) on 22/09/1860. The marriage certificate states both John and Isabella as widowed and that Isabella's father is Thomas Hedley the grocer. The witnesses are Thomas Hedley and Sarah Stephens, which thanks to this forum I have identified as her brother and sister.
Isabella Hedley's sister Mary Hedley, was John William George's first wife. John and Mary were married 09/10/1852. Their marriage certificate states that Mary's father is Thomas Hedley the grocer. The witnesses are Thomas Hedley and John Hedley. Mary passed away in 1859. John and Mary had 2 children, Charles William George and Sarah Ellen George. Both Charles George and Sarah George migrated to Australia.
All the pieces of the puzzle fit together except for the John Hedley who witnessed John William George and Mary Hedley's wedding. I expect he is another brother. Do you know if this is the case?
Regards,
Robin