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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: leagen on Thursday 13 March 08 13:26 GMT (UK)
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After more than 30 years research I found an obit for one of my Irish immigrants and it states he was born in Bray. The names are as stated. If anyone lives in Bray and can do research for me there I would greatly appreciate it. The family left during the potato famine and are found in the US first in 1850. Please contact me at **** Thank you, Lea Mitchell in CT,USA PS I am Soooo happy to finally discover Where in Ireland they were from!
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Hello Lea,
Does the obit. specify Bray, Co. Wicklow or does it say "Bray, Ireland" ???
Bray 823 Kerry Iveragh Valencia Cahersiveen Munster
Bray 334 Wicklow Rathdown Bray Rathdown Leinster
What denomination were your ancestors? You'll have to rely on Church records as your ancestors were born before Civil Registration was introduced in Ireland. Non Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 onwards. When registration for BDMs started in 1864 some people didn't bother with the registration for a few years after that date. Keep your fingers crossed that church records still exist.
Christopher
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The obit just said Bray,Ireland. Are you saying there are 2 Bray's in Ireland? Where is the other? I can't really understand what you mean by what you have written here. Lea
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The daughter Mary (born after the family arrived in NY) married in the US as a Catholic but in the next generation I find a record of a son John (b) 1833/34 in Ireland being mentioned as Church of England which seems odd to me. I thought if not Catholic it would be Church or Ireland. Lea
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Bray 823 Kerry Iveragh Valencia Cahersiveen Munster
Bray 334 Wicklow Rathdown Bray Rathdown Leinster
There are 2 townlands in Ireland named Bray (as well as the town of Bray in Co. Wicklow)- one in Co. Kerry and the other in Co. Wicklow.
The information Christopher posted looks like it was copied from www.thecore.com/seanruad which is a fantastic site to find townlands and parishes in Ireland.
Bray- 823 acres- Co. Kerry - Iveragh Barony- Valencia Parish- Cahersiveen Poor Law Union- Munster Province
Bray- 334 acres- Co. Wicklow- Rathdown Barony- Bray Parish- Rathdown Poor Law Union- Leinster Province
However, searching for 'Bray' in Ireland brings up other results: Bray Commons, Upper Bray, Lower Bray as well as Ballybray, Braysland, Braystown, Little Bray.
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Hello Lea,
There's another one mentioned in Sean Ruad IreAtlas.
It's a spelling variation but sounds the same 8)
Townland: AKA Brae
Acres: 199
County: Antrim
Barony: Lower Antrim
Civil Parish: Skerry
PLU: Ballymena
Province: Ulster
Christopher
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When I found the obit saying the family was from Bray I was surprised anyway because family history Always said they were from CorkCo. No "BRAY" there! Guess I Never Will know where they were from! Lea Mitchell in CT,USA
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What is a "townland". You say there r 2 one being in Wicklow and one in Kerry then u say there is the one in Wicklow. Does that mean there r 2 Bray in Wicklow alone and a third Bray in Kerry?
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Townlands are not the same as towns. There is a townland in Kerry named Bray and in Wicklow there's a town named Bray as well as a townland. To understand what townlands are and why they are so important:
www.ulsterancestry.com/ulster_townlands_by_county.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townland
www.ulsterplacenames.org/celebrating_ulster's_townlands_exhibition.htm
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What is a "townland". You say there r 2 one being in Wicklow and one in Kerry then u say there is the one in Wicklow. Does that mean there r 2 Bray in Wicklow alone and a third Bray in Kerry?
I see Aghadowey's beaten me to it 8)
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OK, I looked up TOWNLAND at Wikipedia and Think I got it. Since there is a Townland AND a Town of Bray in Wicklow and Only a Townland of Bray in Kerry I bet my family was from Wicklow. The townland of Bray in Kerry, what Town is it in? In an obit in the US I would think the place named would be a Town and not just a townland.
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OK, I looked up TOWNLAND at Wikipedia and Think I got it. Since there is a Townland AND a Town of Bray in Wicklow and Only a Townland of Bray in Kerry I bet my family was from Wicklow. The townland of Bray in Kerry, what Town is it in? In an obit in the US I would think the place named would be a Town and not just a townland.
If the information 'Bray' came from an obituary in the U.S. it is very possible that the family came from somewhere near Bray and not Bray itself.
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OK, I looked up TOWNLAND at Wikipedia and Think I got it. Since there is a Townland AND a Town of Bray in Wicklow and Only a Townland of Bray in Kerry I bet my family was from Wicklow. The townland of Bray in Kerry, what Town is it in? In an obit in the US I would think the place named would be a Town and not just a townland.
I feel that the Parish would get a mention in an obituary rather than a townland.
In Co. Wicklow you have both the town and townland of Bray in the Parish of Bray.
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Salmon Family, Bray, Co Wicklow;
I am a descendant of this family, some still live in and around Bray/Greystones.
I have a problem with this family being connected to the spud famine, as they were seamen, and did own their own crafts.
I believe one of my G/grandfathers brothers, pos William?, emigrated to Sates, not sure when, but believe he may gone to New England, I know that's a big place, but have no other info.
Relatives of mine, later immigrants still live in the US.
Hope that helps
Liz
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Question for 'duffysalmon' response 13
Are you a relative of John Salmon of Railway Terrace Bray 1911 census. (father Patrick Salmon)
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Hi,
Yes, John (Jack) Salmon is my great grandfather. He married Nellie Rundle Jane, in Calstock, Cornwall, two years previously his brother, Christopher Patrick, married another local girl there. My granddad was Cornelius Salmon, married Annie Brogan, My dad, John (Jack) was their first born.
I recently tripped over this info;
Sent From Rathdown Union Workhouse County Wicklow To North America 1850. (this was basically a clear out of the work house).
7)John Salmon Aged 16 From Bray Co Wicklow (so would have been born about 1834.),
Salmon is not such a common name in Wicklow, so one can assume this young lad an ancestor.
I have not accessed 1911 census yet, so your question answered one of mine, My granddads birth was registered in Tavistock, so he was probably born in Calstock, but I did not know when Jack and Nellie returned to Bray, so thank you for that!.
Hope my bits of info are helpful to you.
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The daughter Mary (born after the family arrived in NY) married in the US as a Catholic but in the next generation *I find a record of a son John (b) 1833/34 in Ireland* being mentioned as Church of England which seems odd to me. I thought if not Catholic it would be Church or Ireland. Lea
Please read my last post, the John I mention may be the one you mention above, born 33/34 Ireland, sent to north America 1850, from workhouse, (clear out?).
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Christopher Patrick Salmon from Bray is listed on the Calstock Cornwall 1901 census together with his family however in 1911 his family are in Stockton Durham. Did he stay there or return to Bray.
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Hi JonesFR,
Are you descended from Christopher Patrick?.
I am sure you know all this but, The Salmons boys were sailors/seamen, and at some point owned their own craft, apparently large enough to cross the Atlantic, which John did., did Christopher?.
I assumed that both Christopher Patrick and his brother John were on the same boat/ship working the Tamar, At that time Calstock was an important little port, and where both met and married local girls, Christopher's wife was a miss Mutton, I think her dad was a sailor also. If Christopher moved north east then the only choices are; That he and his brother moved on the same boat, or that Christopher needed to go N.E. for work perhaps John returned with his family to Bray at that point, Was Durham his wife's home?. I would be surprised if either worked as anything but a sailor, however needs must.
Did Christopher return to Bray?, I do not know at this point, has my interest lay in my g/granddad John, My dad said that one of Johns brothers moved to America and may have started a business?, but I do not know which one, nor do I have documented evidence of that.
Calstock parish records are on line and free, BDM/Census, though you will find that information, it is only basic.
Johns home, in Bray, was Rose cottage, the Strand,facing the boathouse. I do not know if this was his parents home, but it is where he reared his children, and lived out his life as a seaman/sailor, At one point he and his brother/s?, ran a pleasure craft of some sort, taking tourists round the bay, was one of these brothers Christopher?. It would be helpful to find/access maritime records of those times to place these boys.
I do not have a great deal of info yet, I have been relying on free searches so far, and at some point will join ancestor.com, but because most of the people I will be researching are Irish the cost will be huge!, probably cheaper to catch a ferry across!.
what I shall do is contact relatives in Bray, and ask if they know of Christopher, these folk are descendants of Johns daughter, and only one will be old enough to help, if at all they can, they may be able to tell of other branches of the family.
Liz
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I do not have a great deal of info yet, I have been relying on free searches so far, and at some point will join ancestor.com, but because most of the people I will be researching are Irish the cost will be huge!, probably cheaper to catch a ferry across!.
If you mean Ancestry.com- they have very few Irish records.
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Hi,
Glad you told me that before I handed over a big chunk, I would not have been happy to find few records, and given one branch were horse traders, then I need all the help I can get!, thanks for that info. Can you tell me which family research one is best for Irish record please?.
Thanks
Liz
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Sources vary according to dates and place but lots of links under Ireland Resources board and each county board also has resources for their own area.
1911 census (and eventually also 1901) online now as well as index to civil registrations but these may be too recent for some of your research.
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Hi duffysalmon
I have carried out research for a very close friend of mine who is a descendant of Agnes Salmon sister of Cornelious and daughter of John Salmon. I will arrange for him to join the site and he will be in contact over the next few days.
Regards
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Hi JonesFR,
Great!, look forward to your friend coming on, I may be able to source a couple of old photos of granddads sisters, thats not a promise, will have to check.
Best wishes
Liz
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Hi aghadowey,
So it will not be all under one roof then.. tut, suppose I shouldn't whine, it was all done on shanks`s pony years ago!.
Thanks again aghadowey
Liz
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Hi How are you,
I have currently just started to track my family history, my farther's mother was Patrica Salmon a daughter of John Salmon who was married to Nellie whom he married in Cornwall - they returned to Ireland in between the years of 1908 -1910 as they are indeed in the census for 1911. The family of John Salmon for best part did stay in Bray Co.Wicklow and all their grandchildren and great grandchildren still live there (well most of them anyway) - it appears they had 8 children in total and my grandmother being the youngest.
I am still trying to get hold of some information from John's perants to see if they are orginally from Bray or if they in fact did come from further afield..
My dad has told me that there was some Jewish decent going back but I don't know how true this is.
can you tell me how you are related to John and Nellie?? I would love to know.
Thank you so much
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Hi Tobin_by_birth,
I recognise the name Tobin, I recall me dad talking of the Tobins.
John had a son called Cornelius who had a son called John who had me and 9 others, I am a great granddaughter of Nellie and John.
The Jewish connection... mmm, well Salmon doesn't sound that Irish to me. My sister is a district nursing sister, some years ago she had a patient from Dublin, when she told him of our Irish in Bray, he replied "oh yea, little Israel". I would like to know more of the possible Jewish connection, there are some family features that wouldnt be out of place down the synagogue. ;)
Take care
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The Irish Times website has the following to say about the surname Salmon in Ireland and it's frequency between 1847-64 (the time of Griffiths Primary Valuation).
numerous (239 households) : all areas, especially Mayo-Galway, Down. Ir. Ó Bradáin, bradán, a salmon. East of the Shannon, it is likely to be English.
I have also heard that Salmon is sometimes a Jewish surname, possibly a corruption of Salomon or Zalman.
Justin
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There is a Salmon Interior Design Business on the Dublin Road in Bray. It is owned by two Salmon brothers and a sister, from a long-established Bray family. If you google Salmon Interiors Bray, contact details and a telephone number is available.
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Hi duffysalmon,
My sister-in-law showed me your posts, which seem interesting as I appear to have a connection to Bray, Ireland (although I now realise there are two of these!) I'm trying to find out any information about my great-great grandfather Cornelius Edward (or Edward Cornelius) Salmon, who was born in Bray around 1846-47. He was a sailor and was married and settled in Whitehaven, Cumberland (as it then was) in 1869. His father was also Cornelius Salmon and all I know about him is that he died prior to 1869. Do these sound like relatives?
Regards,